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Postby Josh Phillips on Sat Dec 15, 2001 8:37 am

This was a long time coming, but I finally threw it together tonight (I know that several people had asked for this many months ago):<P> <A HREF="http://www.engsoc.org/~jphillip/avalon/avalonlogo-highres.jpg" TARGET=_blank>http://www.engsoc.org/~jphillip/avalon/avalonlogo-highres.jpg</A> <P>260 kB.<P>JOSH.
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Postby mzacher on Sat Dec 15, 2001 9:42 am

Woot!<P>Danke, Greatly. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif">
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Postby BigMal27 on Sat Dec 15, 2001 10:51 am

I said I'd be back with a story; it's about 2/3 done...<P>I'm no good at drawing, and need a hi-res version of the Avalon logo for the cover -- should I ever actually print it. I'd probably use the logo above, since it isn't cropped at the edges, but I can't Photoshop the words "message forum" out. I don't even have Photoshop or a decent image editor.<P>So... Anyone who's got a hi-res Avalon logo, send it over. You get full credit when the story is finished. Promise. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"><P>Love it, Josh! Keep it up!<P>--BigMal27, the Insane/Paranoid/Depressed Avalon Addict<P>P.S. I wonder what this year's party at Alison's will reveal?
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Postby BigMal27 on Mon Dec 17, 2001 3:43 am

Josh, it wasn't <b>that</b> important, but many many thanks!<P>"Master [Josh], what is thy bidding?"
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Postby Hai-Etlik on Tue Dec 18, 2001 3:04 am

While on the topic of the Avalon logo, I've been wondering what font is used in it, I can't remember seeing the distinctive serif on the L anywhere else (and now that I've seen it up close, the lack of hard corners and slight curve to the serifs add further distinctivenes)
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-----BEGIN AVALON CODE BLOCK-----
Version 1.0
R++ S--- F>++ IRC>+ FA--- GA-- FF- SN? LY- F{C++ N} D{R I--} PSL-{C N} P{CJ+} a+ d- B[s{h-:w:r-}:eBg:hBrL] e>++ h! !y L{Duncan,BC,CA} !!W
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Postby gwalla on Tue Dec 18, 2001 3:13 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hai-Etlik:
<B>That's easy enough to circumvent, just don't give it a referrer (click in the URL box and press enter after getting the evil geocities page) and it loads fine <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Even better, just make a page for the graphic.<P>And BigMal, a few graphic designers would be quite put out if you referred to logos as being "non-artistic". <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"><P>------------------
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Postby BigMal27 on Tue Dec 18, 2001 7:53 am

Gotcha' covered...<P>(Josh, please don't hurt me for giving away the secret.)<P>From my 19MB archive of TrueType fonts, I found that Goudy Old Style is the closest match. Go <a href="http://www.geocities.com/bigmal27/Avalon/Fonts.zip">here</a> to get GOS, GOS bold and GOS italic (all TTF) in a nice ZIP file.<P>TRICK 1: Use GOS plain -- not bold.<P>TRICK 2: DON'T KERN character pairs. This may make the AVA look cool, but it won't match right.<P>TRICK 3: You may have to play with expanding/condensing the characters to get it to match perfectly.
When I put the logo in MSWord, GOS @ 48pt was a perfect fit when used with 0.5pt expansion (that's 1/144 inch extra space per character).<P>Ain't graphic espianage-- I mean design fun?
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Postby BigMal27 on Tue Dec 18, 2001 8:07 am

Geocities is making me mad... Stupid "no referring" rule...<P>Okay, you want the fonts, you send me (via the "e-mail me" button above) an e-mail, and I'll send them to you.<P>It's the little things that make you wish you owned your own FTP server...<P>--BigMal27
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Postby Josh Phillips on Tue Dec 18, 2001 8:13 am

Good call, BigMal. :-) I'll point out, though, that I didn't modify the character spacing at all in Corel Photo-Paint. So perhaps it just behaves differently than Word.<P>JOSH.<P>------------------
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Postby Hai-Etlik on Tue Dec 18, 2001 9:10 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BigMal27:
<B>Geocities is making me mad... Stupid "no referring" rule...<P>Okay, you want the fonts, you send me (via the "e-mail me" button above) an e-mail, and I'll send them to you.<P>It's the little things that make you wish you owned your own FTP server...<P>--BigMal27</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
That's easy enough to circumvent, just don't give it a referrer (click in the URL box and press enter after getting the evil geocities page) and it loads fine <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"><P>And thanks for the font info (now if I ever get arround to learning Sawfish Themer I may try making an Avalon theme.).
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-----BEGIN AVALON CODE BLOCK-----
Version 1.0
R++ S--- F>++ IRC>+ FA--- GA-- FF- SN? LY- F{C++ N} D{R I--} PSL-{C N} P{CJ+} a+ d- B[s{h-:w:r-}:eBg:hBrL] e>++ h! !y L{Duncan,BC,CA} !!W
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Postby BigMal27 on Wed Jan 02, 2002 1:25 am

1) Thanks for the Geocities note, folks. I'll have a nice download page when my story is finished. I'm putting it up as-is Word 97/2000 (with fonts embedded, but available just in case), and chapter-by-chapter HTML. I'm pulling a Josh and waiting for the actual hockey game to occur before I write the last parts, for that touch of realism.<P>2) I meant nothing of the kind when reffering to logos as "non-artistic". I was on my high school newspaper staff and loved making cool vector art/logos, messing with clip art (recolor, etc.).* I just can't draw artistically, in the "classic" sense of those words. I was referring to fan art that wasn't focusing on characters (which 99% of Avalon fan art is). So, you out there who took offense, my apologies. Keep doing what you do.<P>* I also ran an 80 X 16 pixel outdoor electronic billboard at my school. Designing graphics for that sign that are viewable at 60 mph is tough, but fun!<P>--BigMal27
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