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Postby Josh Phillips on Wed Dec 05, 2001 10:37 am

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Postby zippthorn on Wed Dec 05, 2001 10:59 am

Joe . . . with <B>emotion</B>?<P>I feel I'm steppin into the twilight zone . . .<P>Zippthorn<P>
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Postby Rob on Wed Dec 05, 2001 11:01 am

It's about bloody time. <P>I feel sad for Helene, though... <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/frown.gif">
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Postby Strangeone on Wed Dec 05, 2001 11:28 am

I never really did like Alan all that much. Joe might not be the quickest off of the block, but at least he realizes what Alan is doing to Helene is wrong.
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Postby Klaus Petersen on Thu Dec 06, 2001 2:13 am

The <A HREF="http://www.avalonhigh.com/d/20001207.html" TARGET=_blank>passion</A> was always <A HREF="http://www.avalonhigh.com/d/20010801.html" TARGET=_blank>there</A>! Fasten your seat belts, people! Ceilidh is free of her <A HREF="http://www.avalonhigh.com/d/20010903.html" TARGET=_blank>inferiority complex</A>, and Joe finally lets himself act in character . . . <P>What's next? Alan advancing to become a human being?<p>[This message has been edited by Klaus Petersen (edited 12-06-2001).]
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Postby Dent on Thu Dec 06, 2001 3:36 am

Actually, I was a little surprised to see that Alan actually considers himself in a relationship with Hel
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Postby AetherKnight on Thu Dec 06, 2001 4:02 am

Alan probably won't evolve for another year or so, after he's had time to really look back at this period of time.<P>And I'm not sure if this bodes well for Ceilidh either, based on Joe's response <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/frown.gif"><P>------------------
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Postby Fool on Thu Dec 06, 2001 4:30 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rob:
<B>It's about bloody time.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>???
But I thought that was the time you spend at the bloody well!
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Postby Usa-chan on Thu Dec 06, 2001 6:46 am

<B>"I figure two clueless idiots are better than just one."</B><P>All I have to say is........OUCH! >.<<P>I admit Helene is clueless, but I don't think she's an idiot. And to think Joe used to <B>like</B> this girl.<P>As for Alan, 'nuff.said <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"><p>[This message has been edited by Usa-chan (edited 12-06-2001).]
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Postby Rob on Thu Dec 06, 2001 7:08 am

I dunno, I think Joe's referring to himself as one of the clueless idiots. (He should've said this two years ago, after all...)
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Postby Magus Blastarr on Thu Dec 06, 2001 7:50 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by devlor:
<B>The first step to curing cluelessness is acknowledging that it is there. Took 'em long enough, though <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif">.<P>I know Alan and Helene have not been the most serious or in-depth characters in the past, but I think it would be interesting to see more about them. I'm really interested in where this might end up going, even if it just gets Joe some closure on the Helene Issue.<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>
Yay for admitting when you're lost? Really, this strip further points out the truth in realtionships (at least as far as I know) of fumbling blindly trying to find the right path. Admitting that you don't know is important, but then you also have to be assertive. Being assertive that you don't know does tend to sound kind of of odd, "I'm absolutely sure I have no idea what I'm doing!", but quite often that's all you can go on. That and just doing the 'right thing' if you're too worried about hurting others (or yourself), which is what Joe tends to do. Alan seems more to be ignoring it altogether. It is possible that Alan is more considerate then he appears, however, in that he may be admitting he's not ready for any real realtionship and trying to push Helene away so she'll just give up on him. As he said, she'd be crushed if he broke up with her, so if he managed to get her to drop him it would be better.<P>Yeah, Alan and Helene haven't been given the same treatment as many of the other characters; there are few strips that show their inner thoughts (especially Alan). Personally, I'm more rooting for some Nancy-based strips, but that's just me <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif">
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Postby Josh Phillips on Thu Dec 06, 2001 8:05 am

Joe was referring to Alan and himself. This strip didn't come out exactly as well as the script suggested it would...<P>JOSH.<P>------------------
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Postby zunger on Thu Dec 06, 2001 9:49 am

The strip makes sense to me; it's just not clear what'll happen as a result. It wouldn't be the first time that Alan's thought about (or been reminded of) his problem with Helene... the question is if Joe feels like pushing the issue. <P>I'm more interested by Joe's last comment, and what he intends to do about his Ceilidh problem...<P>Yonatan<P>(ps -- delurking now... hi everyone!)
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Postby zippthorn on Thu Dec 06, 2001 9:58 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Klaus Petersen:
<B>The emotion was always there!</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Maybe. But this is the first time Joe's had an emotion on his face other than earnestness or dopey glee. This is anger. Joe . . . angry. Doesn't happen often.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>Joe finally lets himself act in character . . . <HR></BLOCKQUOTE></B><P>Um . . . no. Joe an emotionally unavailable yet sensitive and surprisingly perceptive young man is in character. Joe angry . . . not quite.<P>Zippthorn<P>------------------
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Postby Jaxartes on Thu Dec 06, 2001 10:16 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dent:
<B>Wait a second... you mean to tell me they've been like this since GRADE 9?! Gah! All this time, I thought their current relationship was just the remainder of their first one after Alan dumped her...
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</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>This leads into my personal Pet Theory (TM). <I>(Drum roll, please...)</I> If the situation has gone on that long, perhaps neither Alan nor Hel
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Postby Wapiko on Thu Dec 06, 2001 10:27 am

I don't think Joe is commenting on his current situation with Ceilidh, I think he's just agreeing with Alan that he doesn't know just how to handle dumping a girl either. <P>I don't know, Zunger. I think I would need to see Joe and Ceilidh together more before I make a conclusion about how they are doing. I mean, what he said to her that rainy summer night seemed to hint that he was interested in her after all.<P>Why don't you have some potato chips while we wait for more Avalon goodness? ^_^<P>Wapiko-chan<P>------------------
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Postby Klaus Petersen on Thu Dec 06, 2001 11:25 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Josh Phillips:
<B>This strip didn't come out exactly as well as the script suggested it would...</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Don't ruin the moment . . . the strip came out perfectly - as always.
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Postby Klaus Petersen on Thu Dec 06, 2001 11:59 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by zippthorn:
<B> Maybe. But this is the first time Joe's had an emotion on his face other than earnestness or dopey glee. This is anger. Joe . . . angry. Doesn't happen often. Joe is an emotionally unavailable yet sensitive and surprisingly perceptive young man is in character. Joe angry . . . not quite.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I agree with all of that, and I enjoyed todays strip so much more because of it. Restraint, sensitivity and perceptiveness are certainly major traits with Joe, anger is not. What I meant was that Joe has a tendency to sit on his feelings just a little too much, and that he has a very wide emotional range. Ceilidh found out, little by little, fell for it, and ultimately pulled Joe out of that m4d l33t shell he was hiding in. If it wasn't for her, todays strip would never have happened.<P>He's been sitting on his anger with Alan since grade 9. He could have sat on it forever . . . or at least until graduation. I've been waiting and hoping for this moment since <A HREF="http://www.avalonhigh.com/d/20010801.html" TARGET=_blank>2:213, panel 3.</A> I suspect Alan and Hel
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Postby devlor on Thu Dec 06, 2001 12:57 pm

The first step to curing cluelessness is acknowledging that it is there. Took 'em long enough, though <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif">.<P>I know Alan and Helene have not been the most serious or in-depth characters in the past, but I think it would be interesting to see more about them. I'm really interested in where this might end up going, even if it just gets Joe some closure on the Helene Issue.<P>------------------
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Postby FurrySaint on Fri Dec 07, 2001 4:11 am

Oi. Anybody notice the can in Joe's hand? >_>;<P>
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Postby Klaus Petersen on Fri Dec 07, 2001 4:14 am

Yup. Grrrrrrrr . . . crunch!
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Postby Fool on Fri Dec 07, 2001 4:37 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dent:
<B>ALAN YOU OTHER-FOOL.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Woo, someone's learning!
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Postby Fool on Fri Dec 07, 2001 4:48 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jaxartes:
<B>Who's to say that what either of them really wants is a serious relationship? This way, Alan gets a pretty, popular, sweet girl chasing after him (and when you want to be chased, it's good to run). <P>I'm not sure what Hel
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Postby Josh Phillips on Fri Dec 07, 2001 6:59 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FurrySaint:
<B>Oi. Anybody notice the can in Joe's hand? >_>;</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yeah, Dent did. :-)<P>JOSH.<P>------------------
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Postby Fool on Fri Dec 07, 2001 7:09 am

Trust Dent to find dents!
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