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Postby Balfegor on Sat Nov 10, 2001 2:05 am

On the one hand, animation *is* labour intensive. On the other, though, it should be possible to skimp out on some sections by:<P><LI>using stills and establishing shots
<LI>repeating motions
<LI>cutting down on frame-count for unimportant motions.<P>I think it should be easily possible. In fact, I had been considering doing something like that myself, maybe Nancy chasing Joe, or something, or Ryan and DD snuggling. (Wanted to avoid the talking heads problem).<P>I think that perhaps the first scene to try out would be the dryer sheet, just to get the system of aligning frames (that's my biggest problem--have to get the frames to line up properly, otherwise you get weird jiggling), since it doesn't require any broad or technically complex animation. Also a nice introductory sequence, for obvious reasons.<P>Oh, and I'd be willing to do tweening, if a reasonable system were worked out (i.e. image resolutions, formats, colour keys, standardised character designs, etc.). I'm not incapable of drawing quickly--I'm just *very* slow at designing compositions, choosing subjects and all the *art* things.<P>-Tae<P>
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Postby gwalla on Sat Nov 10, 2001 3:03 am

Would this be traditional animation (damn hard) or Flash (much easier)?<P>------------------
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Postby Jen Aside on Sat Nov 10, 2001 4:03 am

I really really really want to make an animated video now, but I won't say what will be in it (mostly because I don't want to get people's hopes up in case I realize yet again that I don't REALLY feel like doing it)... all I can say is it would be an Avalon fan video.<P>...okay, wait, if I'm going to take suggestions, I guess I have to say what I need... oh, well.<P>I want to make a series of scenes involving the entire cast (more or less) doing different things. It's to be a moody piece, somewhat sad. I've thought of a few scenes, but since I haven't timed the audio yet, I don't know how many I'll need. Besides obvious things like something with Ryan and Deirdre snuggling or something... I'd like to know what kinds of scenes everyone (especially Josh) thinks would most represent Avalon.<P>Of course, if anyone wants to help me tween the frames, that'd be sweet! I bet it'd be more fun to eat broken glass, but if you really want to... <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/tongue.gif"><P>Finally: depending on the complexity of the piece overall, it may take a year to finish (woo, would THAT be a way to end Avalon?!), coinciding with when Josh will finally get around to drawing something for me <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/redface.gif"><P>...or would y'all rather see more <a href=http://kaovalon.keenspace.com/>kaos</a>? <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/frown.gif">
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Postby Slithy Tove on Sat Nov 10, 2001 4:55 am

How about a bunch of stills to KAH's beautiful composition?
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Postby Balfegor on Sat Nov 10, 2001 6:26 am

You know, I thought that too . . . Joe's song--the bit where the Phoebe theme comes in, and then the song grows violent, leading up to that flourish. Sounds like *someone* getting pushed down the stairs . . . That'd be nice to see, even with just stills.<P>-Tae
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Postby Fuzzymoose on Sat Nov 10, 2001 8:37 am

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jen Aside:
[B]I really really really want to make an animated video now.<P>I want to make a series of scenes involving the entire cast (more or less) doing different things. It's to be a moody piece, somewhat sad. I've thought of a few scenes, but since I haven't timed the audio yet, I don't know how many I'll need.<P>Finally: depending on the complexity of the piece overall, it may take a year to finish (woo, would THAT be a way to end Avalon?!)<P>
Well, now that you mention it...<P>It's a noble goal, but probably more ambitious than you realize. What I would
recommend would be a bunch of VERY SHORT
clips, each taking somewhere between 1 to 5
seconds, and if the movement is appropriate,
looping them. (Say, a walk cycle)<P>If you put them all together, you may have
about 1 1/2 minutes, roughly the size of an
opening credits animation (and, by the way, that's what I would most like to see... get a nice theme song, choreograph the motion to the music...) What may be more workable would be to plan out scenes for a video, but just post each scene as it's completed. If they all get done, wonderful. Just put them together, end-to-end. If not, we've got a few nifty animations in the fan art area.<P>Remember, too, that for a full video, everyone you get to help out on this has to draw the characters the same as everyone else working on it. There's such a myriad of art styles around here, and keeping on model takes quite a bit of practice.<P>For a quick idea of how long it would take,
a while back I did a 30 second lip-synch animation. Granted, I was doing it all by myself, but it took all semester to do, and counted as a final project for 4 out of the 6 classes I was taking.<P>End result? A fair-to-mediocre movie about
1 minute long.<P>
Okay, now that I've gotten that out of my
system... where do we start? It's difficult, but not impossible, and many hands
make light work.<P>-Fuzzymoose
digging out his storyboard pad<P>
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Postby Jen Aside on Sat Nov 10, 2001 11:51 am

Goddamnit, hitting "ESC" to cancel the post (hit Return or something--I think it sent but it really didn't) ate my entire message <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/mad.gif"> and my finger is throbbing from cutting it, so I can't type much.<P>I'll reply when I heal <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/frown.gif">
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Postby Jen Aside on Sun Nov 11, 2001 4:42 am

I'm getting better...<P>I posted on <a href=http://kaovalon.keenspace.com/>Kaovalon</a> the first frame I did. It's an end frame (more or less), but it's something. I think it took me a couple hours to do, with constant distractions. Once I get the keyframes of this scene done, I'll figure out what to do next (haven't decided which would be best to use, but this seemed good, if for no other reason than to give attention to some less-popular characters).<P>As far as character design, I thought that Josh's actual style would be the easiest to work with for consistency, since everyone's familiar with it (I would hope). I personally have a Wacom tablet, which makes it a LOT easier to animate cleanly, and I *am* tracing where I can--I want to keep as close to Josh's style as possible.<P>For right now, I'd like to know what other scenes everyone would like to see, keeping the "moody" theme in mind. It'd be nice to use as many characters as possible, too, rather than having a 3-4 minute clip of Ryan and Deirdre snuggling (as tempting as that sounds).<P>Although yeah, Balfegor, the dryer sheet does sound like a good starting place... maybe begin and end with it <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif">
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