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Postby warmbase on Sat Sep 29, 2001 12:08 am

Man, Enterprise just wowed me. It was faaaaaaaaaaantastic! Great job casting. Mr. Bakula rules my tiny universe.
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Postby Darth Paradox on Sat Sep 29, 2001 12:16 am

/me is without benefit of TV. Anyone care to fill me in?
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Postby mykroft on Sat Sep 29, 2001 1:47 am

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Postby Strangeone on Sat Sep 29, 2001 2:06 am

You can never judge a series by its first episode, especially Star Trek. It's widely agreed that The Next Generation didn't really hit it's stride until a few seasons in. DS9 didn't become a series with a single, solid arc until several seasons had passed (and Babylon 5 had become a success). Voyager showed promise, but turned out to be a clunker.<P>All in all, Enterprise has promise, but that's all I can say about it.
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Postby liveacoustic on Sat Sep 29, 2001 2:30 am

I thought it was excellent - the "Tatooine Bar Scene" planet (I believe it was Rigel 10?) was really cool. They need more planets like that in Star Trek. The characters are well done, too. The fact that the commander is a schovanistic jackass (in my opinion) is a huge improvement over the usual group of heroic people that never faulter when the need comes. And his arguments with T'Par are something we've missed since McCoy and Spock.<P>The problem, though, is the bad guy. So far he hasn't proven himself crappy, but I have a feeling he's going to end up having a very Skeletor vs. He-Man feel to him. The Changelings in Deep Space Nine were great villains because we didn't really ever get to see them. Enterprise shows us as a conviently shadow-covered creature discusses his plans to foil those evil heroes. I'm kind of concerned that he's going to end up yelling out, "I'll get you next time, Inspector Gadget!"<P>Plus, the show's cast isn't that innovative. The commander's McCoy. T'Par's Spock. Captain Archer is Commander Sisko (Ooo, slight variation!). The cast isn't that different from Star Trek: The Original Series.<P>I like the notion of having to have a translator, though. That's much cooler than Universal Translators built in to the computer.
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Postby Asha on Sat Sep 29, 2001 3:08 am

I thought T'Par's breasts, were like, huge. And the stereotypical STAR TREK MUSIC gave me a head ache, and I wanted to scream, cause it SUCKED BADLY.<P>I've always hated Star Trek, anyway.
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Postby Larry-Boy on Sat Sep 29, 2001 3:28 am

WE LUVS IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But we shall humbly reserve our final ruling until a few more episodes have been shown. <P>------------------
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Postby Judeccan on Sat Sep 29, 2001 8:10 am

God... after the demise of Voyager (you know when it happened, and it has the words Seven and Nine involved...) I've been bereft of any Trek. The reruns of TNG were airing at four in the morning, and DS9 hasn't started running again yet... this leaves only the original series on Scifi, which I've seen every episode of around a "Shitload" each.<P>I grew up on TNG, it was the weekly ritual for years and years, so to see all the TNG-stylings scattered throughout Enterprise gives me a lot of hope.<P>Here's to another seven years!
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Postby nammyung on Sat Sep 29, 2001 8:47 am

I didn't care for it. I thought Bakula was horrible, and the whole show/casting was overly sexualized. If I want to see badly disguised softporn parading around as a scifi show, I'll watch Lexx.
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Postby karasuhebi on Sat Sep 29, 2001 8:48 am

I retain reservations, but am enthusiastic. Beeing something of a geek, I'm willing to accept the whole Klingon continuity issues (Besides, they did try to explain that in DS9 at some point). It would be funny if they encountered the genetically altered human looking klingongs at some point.<P>Anywho, so long as they don't rely on scenes like the decontamination and build a good chemistry and dialogue, it has real potential. It's not like I didn't like that scene, but a series can't rely on it and be good.
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Postby Wildmartin on Sun Sep 30, 2001 2:31 am

I thought the pilot was pretty good, despite the god-awful theme song.<P>On a side note: TNN is showing a 5 day Next Generation Marathon starting 8 PM Eastern time on Oct. 1st<P>------------------
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Postby Shatteredtower on Sun Sep 30, 2001 3:45 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nammyung:
<B>I didn't care for it. I thought Bakula was horrible, and the whole show/casting was overly sexualized. If I want to see badly disguised softporn parading around as a scifi show, I'll watch Lexx.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P> Hey, watch what you say about that show! It killed my parents and little sister a few weeks back! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/frown.gif"><P> Although it was rather neat seeing my high school drama teacher on television briefly. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P> And what's this silliness about disguises? LEXX doesn't wear a disguise - it's rather proud - or at least unashamed - of what it is! I think you're just upset because they gave Stanley Tweedle the shower scene in one of the early movies. (What could they do? The dead don't shower.) ;p
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Postby karasuhebi on Sun Sep 30, 2001 4:54 am

Well, I'll leave them room to breath on the Vulcan's attitude. True emotionlessness is really hard to pull off. Nimoy just had a talent for it, one would guess. All of the following vulcans have shown some low grade emotional qualities like self-righteosness.<P>------------------
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Postby Sterling on Sun Sep 30, 2001 5:36 am

I found it acceptable. Its no B5, but then again, B5's pilot episode (or movie, as the case may be) sucked. As did most of the first season. (I'm not a Sinclair fan) Though it is better than Voyager, I'll have to wait and see. And hope they drop the softcore stuff. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/mad.gif"><P>Oh, and about DS9... It sucked until they started blatantly ripping off B5. (I won't get into the ripping that occured before the show even started) And then it still sucked because they did a bad job of ripping off B5. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"><P>------------------
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Postby Coota on Sun Sep 30, 2001 7:46 am

I thought it was good, even though I dislike Star Trek. Bakula is one of my favorite actors, though, so maybe I'm a bit inclined towards him.<P>------------------
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Postby Friggin' Cornflakes on Sun Sep 30, 2001 8:04 am

I'll admit I am nothing of a Trekkie... In fact, I feel Voyager's last 4 seasons or so were pretty good, <I>not</I> just because of Seven, but because of how the storyline consolidated and wrapped up. I especially like the Hirogen (sp) species. Meanwhile DS9 sucked hard. Dear God, did you see the baseball episode? The one were Sisko assembles his crew into a team to take on Vulcans! Oh my God that is what you get when the writters go on vacation and the actors are left in charge of the script.<P>Anyway, about Enterprise: At last, a serial number on the ship that I can remember! The theme song is awful... is that Rod Stewart? <P>Asha mentioned above that T'Par's breasts were huge. While this is true, you can't blame an actress for being amply endowed... Blame the casting director for that blatant tactic.<P>One problem with a prequel is we know how the interaction between Enterprise and Klingons will go... It's just a matter of "When will the ratings be so low that the writers stoop to start the war?"<P>------------------
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Postby Rob on Sun Sep 30, 2001 10:07 am

<A HREF="http://www.brunching.com/features/enterpriseslash.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.brunching.com/features/enterpriseslash.html</A> o_O
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Postby Hai-Etlik on Sun Sep 30, 2001 10:33 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Friggin' Cornflakes:
<B>Anyway, about Enterprise: At last, a serial number on the ship that I can remember!</B>
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NCC-1701-?(Enterprise) and NX-2000(Excelsior) are hardly difficult, though admitedly NX-74205 (Defiant) and NCC-74656 (Voyager) are less than simple to remember.
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<B>One problem with a prequel is we know how the interaction between Enterprise and Klingons will go... It's just a matter of "When will the ratings be so low that the writers stoop to start the war?"</B>
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Just including the Klingons is bad enough, First contact isn't supposed to be till 2218, there IS a major war within the probable 7 year run though, the Earth/Romulan war is 2156-2160 (the series will probably end in 2158)
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Postby Rob on Sun Sep 30, 2001 11:18 am

Yeah, it wasn't bad, for Star Trek. I doubt that it'll come near B5 though. Btw, Asha, you <I>do</I> recall a show called Voyager, with a certain character that had reserve tanks of silicone strapped to her chest? <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/tongue.gif"> Then again, this is the first Star Trek I've sat down and watched since TNG ended.
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Postby polarbee on Sun Sep 30, 2001 11:25 am

Enterprise was okay. T'Pol just came across as a self-righteous bitch instead of a logical Vulcan. Other than that, I thought it was okay. The translator was nifty with the whole genius linguist angle. Very believable, actually. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>------------------
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Postby Dandin on Mon Oct 01, 2001 3:44 am

Whew, I haven't been around for awhile! I thought this was a very good start for the series. I do agree about the Klingons though. They really shouldn't have screwed around with the timeline that much. But I'm looking forward to seeing the Human-Romulan war <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"> GO ROMULANS! And you guys are right about the softcore. That seemed waaaay too, I don't know, just way too much for "Desteralization." And yes, the theme was horrible! I was maybe expecting James Horner or Cliff Eidlemen or something. Ah well.<P>Dandin <P>------------------
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Postby Rob on Mon Oct 01, 2001 9:09 am

Bah, that was supposed to be softcore porn? Gimme a break... they didn't even show nudity! Rather, that was titillating (god, I love that word). <P>You'd think they'd have some sort decontamination chamber or something...<P>The visual elements of the intro were pretty neat, even though the music was awful.
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Postby RJ Shep on Mon Oct 01, 2001 11:01 am

Was anyone else amused that Sykes from Alien Nation was a Vulcan?<P>And what's wrong w/ Soft Core Porn? <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/tongue.gif">
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Postby Josh Phillips on Wed Oct 03, 2001 7:44 am

Ohhhh ho ho ho... episode 2 (<I>Fight or Flight</I>) rocked so very, very hard. It was several times better than the premiere episode.<P>The acting was particularly stellar... T'Pol is finally acting like a Vulcan, and the translator woman really stole the show.<P>Unfortunately, Capt. Archer doesn't seem to be as interesting a character as I'd hoped... all I think he did in this ep was listen to T'Pol's suggestions, then do the exact opposite. Oh well... I suppose Capt. Picard was pretty bland for the first bit of TNG.<P>JOSH.
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Postby Asha on Wed Oct 03, 2001 9:09 am

What's a Romulan?
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