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Postby Guest on Thu Sep 27, 2001 6:12 am

It has come to my attention that a large, and growing, section of Avalonites are opposed to me, or hating me. Therefore, it is my intention to go and let the lot of you burn.<P>So I'm not perfect. Well who the fuck is? And who gave you all the right to be incredibly nasty to people who you don't like? And where I falter, why didn't you just take me aside and deal out constructive critism to me privately instead of attacking me for all to see?<P>You think I'm worse then you, just because I'm different. I've had to put up with these sorts of hate crimes before, but this time, I'm not going to. So unless I see that there are people who actually don't hate me here, I'm just going to leave now with a big "FUCK YOU ALL".<P>I don't need your goddamned bullshit hassles.
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Postby Slithy Tove on Thu Sep 27, 2001 6:49 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by coldacid:
<B>So unless I see that there are people who actually don't hate me here. </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I know that my opinion doesn't count for much, but I don't hate you, and I can't see any reason why I should. Peace, please.<P>------------------
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Postby Consul on Thu Sep 27, 2001 7:10 am

Okay, allow me my view in the matter, as a <I>former</I> op in #avalon.<P>1) I never hated you for anything.<P>2) When I'm opping the channel, I care only about what happens in-channel. And what I saw in-channel is that Ian was being far more disruptive and hostile than you.<P>3) Posting things like this in the message boards just gives more people more reason to hate you.<P>So, there you have it. I hang up my hat, because my hands are tied in this situation.
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Postby JunkyardDawg on Thu Sep 27, 2001 7:36 am

Some people are just begging for it... <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/rolleyes.gif">
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Postby Guest on Thu Sep 27, 2001 7:51 am

Consul, I'm rarely disruptive or hostile unless I feel that I am under attack, and those against me will not listen to reason.<P>I've been put through all sorts of trouble when I was younger, very similar to this, and I've just had enough. I don't need my childhood to happen again, I've got enough on my plate trying to repress the first one.<P>So I'm not always on-topic, or what I post doesn't make sense. Is that such a crime that I must be discriminated against?<P>And I know it isn't everyone, I know there's some people here on the forum who are really nice and don't hold any negative feelings towards me. Anyone like that should know that they are excepted from my flaming comments above, and if they've upset because of it, my greatest apologies to them.<P>I'm not a bad guy. I'm just not understood, I'm a loner (being picked on by everyone, including staff, when you're only in grade 3 does that to a person), all the peppiness I show is fake only so people think I'm actually okay.<P>"You bleed just to know you're alive" sums it up well for me. I'm perpetually depressed, and I "core dump" when I get apologetic after a mad rant. So if anyone actually uses this against me, that's a sign of total assholeness...
Don't judge me by how I behave or what I write. It's a shell, which I hide in like a frightened turtle. Instead, I should be coaxed out and shown that I'm not worthless for being who I am, or who I pretend to be.<P>And definately, to John and Ian on #avalon, calling me worthless and useless is a very low blow for someone like I.
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Postby gwalla on Thu Sep 27, 2001 8:39 am

Coldacid, I just want you to know that I've been through similar circumstances. My sophomore year of college, halfway through the second semester, my 3 apartment-mates (who up to that point I had thought were my friends) told me they wanted me to move out. They wouldn't say why. That night I stayed at a friend's place, because being in the same place with them felt too uncomfortable.<P>I lived the rest of the semester in the same apartment.<P>USC had a rule, where you couldn't force a roommate out against their will. I decided to stick it out. Screw 'em.<P>That said, I don't know what's up with Ian or John, but it sounds mighty similar.<P>------------------
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Postby Klaus Petersen on Thu Sep 27, 2001 9:21 am

I know what you mean, gwalla. You find yourself in the situation, and you realize that either you let yourself get stepped on, or you don't. It has nothing to do with aggressiveness.<P>Coldacid, I have no idea what was said in #avalon, but I cannot possibly believe that Ian and John speak for any number of people, except their low selves. And if you were somehow goaded into a rant . . . the next time, take a deep breath, and remember there's no revenge like denying trolls or bullys their sick little pleasures!<p>[This message has been edited by Klaus Petersen (edited 09-28-2001).]
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Postby Coota on Thu Sep 27, 2001 9:24 am

I like yah, Coldacid, I just think you need to seriously work on your writing. Ask anyone, though: I'm an asshole to basically everyone about writing. The only person I've ever complimented on these forums who wasn't an actual webcomic writer was Mr. Irony. So don't feel specially singled out on that account <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"><P>------------------
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Postby hem on Fri Sep 28, 2001 12:20 am

I have no clue what happened on IRC, but all I can say is that you act like a crybaby now. Act like a grown-up, I say, don't whine about people "hating" you.
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Postby bunnyThor on Fri Sep 28, 2001 12:22 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wildmartin:
[B]As a side note: It seems that a lot of the regulars on the keenspot boards have been pissed of to the point of leaving because of something happening in the IRC chat rooms. The same abuse was happening to Demon Cat on the CRFH board. [B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I cannot, for the life of me, understand why if someone was being hounded in the #avalon channel, why they would turn around and announce that they were no longer posting <I>here</I>. What the bleeding heck does one have to do with the other, besides both being Avalon forums?<P>IRC != Keenspot Message Boards
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Postby Consul on Fri Sep 28, 2001 12:44 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bunnyThor:
<B>(snip...) What the bleeding heck does one have to do with the other, besides both being Avalon forums?<P>IRC != Keenspot Message Boards
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>This is, of course, the point I was trying to get across in the channel last night before I finally gave up and left. I really wish my logging had been turned on at that moment, but certain members (I already named one earlier in this thread) were being outright abusive to coldacid in the channel due to the fact that they don't like his behavior in the message boards.<P>The people being abusive were both ops. This, of course, was the problem, as since I don't own the channel, if I kick one op, the rest gang up on me. Josh, as the owner of the channel, is the only one who take care of this situation as it relates to IRC. So, I resigned.<P>Anyone wants to know anything else, ask me. If anyone has a log of this session, please let me know.
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Postby Spaceman42 on Fri Sep 28, 2001 12:46 am

I don't hate you!<P>Who are you anyway? I've been away...<P>[Feel free to bash the semi-n00b]
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Postby Wapiko on Fri Sep 28, 2001 1:02 am

Well, I don't know what to tell you, Coldacid. I've known you since you were The Evil Beaver. I enjoyed working on Spec Notion cont. with you and I've never had a problem with you. You are a little eccentric, but that has never bothered me. So are a bunch of us, me included. You like fruit gels, which is good. You don't eat enough potato chips, but then, all the more for me. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>To tell you the truth, I have never seen anything in the message board about you that deserves this sort of condemnation. If it is on IRC that this sort of hazing has taken place, I don't feel that we here on the boards should be sworn at like this. Sure, some of us are frank, and a little headstrong, but I truly cannot recall anyone writing anything here to make you feel as strongly as you seem to.<P>I opened this thread because I saw your name as initiator, and I usually enjoy reading your threads. I was a little hurt and insulted by your swearing, as I don't think many of us deserve your cursing, but I did appreciate your apology. (I am going to assume that I am included in the apology, since I bear you no ill will) Perhaps it would be wise to take this to the IRC, since that seems to be the place where these slurs have taken place.<P>If you decide to indeed leave us, I wish you well. I will be sorry to see you go, but I hope to see you again sometime, perhaps someplace else.<P>Wapiko-chan
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Postby Harlenna on Fri Sep 28, 2001 1:14 am

First off I'd like to agree with many others who state that although IRC is based off of the forum here, that they ARE two different things, with not as many people there as are here....hence different crowds. So please do not judge the forum people by the IRC people when not all know anything about what happened there. because it's not here.<P>That being said, I go to the other issues brought up:<P>I too, have nothing against you, you have always seemed like a cool person, with a worthwhile opinion....not that I have been part of that many discussions lately...but I see your addition to the forum as not a bad one at all, especially since i have been here long enough to see wonderful core people get rotated through because of their own busy schedules or limited access. you have helped keep the spirit of the forum going, and for that i thank you. I as well have no issue with Ian or John, and I appreciated their input. <P>But forum posting is a wee bit different than IRC and it's much easier for stronger opinions to get aired there than it is here...it's almost as if we are forced to think more when we post than on IM or IRC. And when people have strong opinions and a place to air an argument quickly, it can escalate more quickly there, just like it would air more quickly in person. Feelings get hurt and hurt words are said faster. <P>So no, i don't know what was said, but i think that this is an important point where we should all remember to step back from the situation and relax a bit more on IRC or IM because it's almost like we have to have more control and understanding in order to keep the spirit of peace and friendship we want our community to reflect.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by coldacid:
<B>Consul, I'm rarely disruptive or hostile unless I feel that I am under attack, and those against me will not listen to reason.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>And this is a NORMAL human reaction to an attack one feels is personal and without reason.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by coldacid:
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So if anyone actually uses this against me, that's a sign of total assholeness...<P>Don't judge me by how I behave or what I write. It's a shell, which I hide in like a frightened turtle. Instead, I should be coaxed out and shown that I'm not worthless for being who I am, or who I pretend to be.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well, you can call me an ass if you like but i would just like to clarify a few things:<P>People judge other people by their actions. It's natural as well. <P>What you write is also an action. When you act or speak, you are claiming that is who you are, and people have no other option than to really see it as the truth unless you show them otherwise. And offtimes, because we're going through the medium of online, it's even harder to discern if there is something else about the person....there is so much to a personality that cannot be completely seen unless it is in person. So we don't have all that information. Thank you for sharing and explaining who you are and why you do things now. That's something that no one knew. And I'm sure some people pushed those buttons without knowing you had them...without knowing the true you, or the hurts that drove you to reacting that way. And that's what you are saying they are...reactions. <P>But don't pretend you are something you are not. Most good people just want honesty, and if you want someone to honestly love you and honestly give to you as a friend then you need to be honest. And good people will give you honesty and friendship in return.<P>As far as being coaxed out of your shell...no one can get you out of your shell, no one can get you to take chances to trust or change your fearful way but you. You have to take that chance on your own....because we could all say how wonderful you are 'till we're blue in the face and you are disgusted; but until you let yourself be receptive to those words, let yourself understand, change, and enjoy your own personality as worthwhile then our words will mean nothing. It's all up to you. Just remember that pretending can be a form of a lie, and if you want people you can trust, you have to give trust and show you are trustworthy too.<P>And you have all my best wishes for the best.<P>Lis<P>
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Postby Rogue Princess on Fri Sep 28, 2001 1:16 am

Hey coldacid,
I have to be honest. I haven't a clue what happened between you and those guys. That being said, I think you're pretty awesome. I've only been on the forum for a few months now, but there are a few people who I really relate to being part of the "Avalon Forum Core" or some such. Mzacher, Gwalla, Wapiko, Fool, and of course, Coldacid are the top four names that come to mind. So what if your posts aren't always on topic - neither are anyone else's. For the most part, you post in good taste (which I understand is relative, but hey) and when you are posting about the comic, what you have to say is relevant and insightful. Don't let anyone get you down about yourself, and don't let them drive you away from somewhere you belong. Just my $.02.
<p>[This message has been edited by Rogue Princess (edited 09-28-2001).]
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Postby Coota on Fri Sep 28, 2001 1:50 am

Damn, I thought I was part of the forum core! I feel so unloved.<P>------------------
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Postby Ties on Fri Sep 28, 2001 2:26 am

I may be a newbie from this summer but I did get a chance to meet you at CNAnime and it was fun hanging with you and the rest of the Avalon gang. True, you may be a little eccentric and you may get off-topic sometimes but that doesn't make you a bad guy. I have to agree though with the people saying that you should drop the mask.
Be who you are. Act who you are.<P>And another reason why you can't go away: you still owe me a subway ticket and a donut <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif">
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Postby Josh Phillips on Fri Sep 28, 2001 2:43 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Coota:
<B>Damn, I thought I was part of the forum core! I feel so unloved.<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>And I thought I posted more than you did, Coota. ;-)<P>JOSH.
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Postby Freemage on Fri Sep 28, 2001 2:44 am

How could I hate you? I don't even know you. Hell, for all I know, right now, there's two people on this Forum--me, and one other person with a few hundred nicks and WAAAYYY too much time on his hands, using me a subject for his doctoral thesis in Psychology. The Internet is a great way to really indulge in solipsism.<P>That said....<P>You've got a few options outside of bailing out altogether:<P>1> Drop going to the IRC. This is still a retreat, and maybe you don't want to do that--but it's pretty clear from the posts here that there's no groundswell of support for the folks that laid into you there.<P>2> Make a case. Get logs of these incidents, send them to Josh directly, asking him to take some action. Do get logs if at all possible; it makes it less of a "he said he said/he said he said" issue for Josh.<P>3> F%^& the bastards. This is the one where you just keep on doing what you're doing, and, whenever some numnutz decides to try to make you miserable, you either ignore them utterly, or respond with something along the lines of, "I love you too, Snoogums," or, "You know it makes me hot when you talk like that, Wrigglebum." Mock them, or ignore them--both are anathema to that ilk.
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Postby Josh Phillips on Fri Sep 28, 2001 2:47 am

Consul, what's your e-mail address?<P>JOSH.
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Postby warmbase on Fri Sep 28, 2001 3:37 am

Hey ColdAcid, this song's for you. I wrote it, and sang it. It's not the best, but I do hope you enjoy it.<P> <A HREF="http://www2.ci-n.com/~jcampbel/music/notworthmypity.mp3" TARGET=_blank>http://www2.ci-n.com/~jcampbel/music/notworthmypity.mp3</A> <P>
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Postby Aerk on Fri Sep 28, 2001 4:07 am

Warmbase-
First off, that song is horrible. You should have the guitar broken and shoved in a very uncomfortable place for posting such a musical travesty on a public board. I rank you with mimes and boy bands, you evil, evil, bad person.
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Postby John Campbell on Fri Sep 28, 2001 4:09 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><i>Originally posted by Freemage:</i>
1> Drop going to the IRC. This is still a retreat, and maybe you don't want to do that--but it's pretty clear from the posts here that there's no groundswell of support for the folks that laid into you there.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>You'd be surprised. Ian and I are hardly the only people who think that coldacid is a pathetic, annoying prick who is almost solely responsible for the current lamentable state of the Forum. We're just the guys who are rude enough - and honest enough - to tell him to his face instead of pretending to like him where he can see and then tearing into him behind his back. If you want to believe that I'm a villain for that, I'm okay with that. I can live without your approval.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>
2> Make a case. Get logs of these incidents, send them to Josh directly, asking him to take some action. Do get logs if at all possible; it makes it less of a "he said he said/he said he said" issue for Josh.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Josh was <I>there</I>.
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Postby Fool on Fri Sep 28, 2001 4:17 am

I don't hate you coldacid, or I would never have given you food.
I'm just picking on you 'cause you're acting kinda like me and my cousins and I pick on them and myself a lot.
Actually we're a lot rougher with each other, but I don't know you well enough to rough you up like that.<P>Oh, and don't fake peppiness.
I did a few years ago, but that was because I was selling door to door on commission in one of those pyramid schemes (or scams).
They were using brainwashing techniques to keep us from realizing what we were doing and quitting.
I still have a little narcolepsy because of it.<P>I was kinda sensing the fake peppiness from you, but I wasn't letting it get to me.
With most other people who do that, I feel a mix of scorn and pity.
"Scity".<P>Yeah, yeah, I know!
But I already associate "porn" with something else and for the most part, it <B>hain't</B> that kind o' people!
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Postby Fool on Fri Sep 28, 2001 4:19 am

Woo!
That was a pretty long post for me.
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