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by **Josh Phillips** on Tue Sep 25, 2001 2:25 am

Okay, discussion time! (Read as: Josh has no clue, and needs ideas)
I've been thinking of pulling Guest Artist Sunday comics out of the archive. As has been mentioned to me by several people, they really interrupt the flow of the real Avalon strips. Also, it's my theory that removing the Sunday comics will work around the bug in the archive software that keeps producing 404 errors.
Now, here's where it gets complicated. Where should the Guest Artist Sunday comics go? Perhaps they should just be put into the Guest Artist section of the art page, along with every other guest comic that never appeared on the front page. The up side to this is that the Guest COmic section will get a lot more exposure every Sunday from front page linkage.
And the problem with *that* is that the continuity of some GAS strips is lost... since there are a couple that involve the storylines in progress when they were first put up. Would providing a link to the relevant storyline from the guest comic be enough to fix that?
Well, I'm done thinking out loud. Any comments?
JOSH.------------------
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by **Guest** on Tue Sep 25, 2001 2:28 am

Sounds good to me, _IF_ you go into the "ALAN IS NOT A JERK" thread right now.
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by **nzero** on Tue Sep 25, 2001 3:35 am

i'm ok with the comics either way.if you decide to move them:
in order if preserve context for guest strips dependant on when they appeared, i suggest including links to the beginning of the arc during which they appeared (as you mentioned yourself), and also the date that the guest strips themselves appeared (you may want to use your vol:strip notation as well to indicate which two official strips a guest strip should be inserted between)

by **Klaus Petersen** on Tue Sep 25, 2001 10:45 am

Josh is in for a lot of manual work, no matter which way he chooses.My suggestion: the GAS's that are truly integral to the storyline, keep them in the primary archive. Make a secondary archive with all GAS's, no exceptions(!), with manually added links to the primary archive as appropriate.As for Revisionism: make it easy for yourself, Josh, keep it to a minimum.[Edited for emphasis and political blather][This message has been edited by Klaus Petersen (edited 09-25-2001).]

by **Guest** on Wed Sep 26, 2001 12:56 am

Why are you looking at me?On a similar note, why am I duct taped to your ceiling?
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by **davey3000** on Wed Sep 26, 2001 3:51 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Klaus Petersen:
Make a secondary archive with all GAS's, no exceptions(!), with manually added links to the primary archive as appropriate.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yeah, I'd support that option - I never liked the way the Sunday strips break-up the continuity of the main strips in the archive. But I don't like making extra work for Josh either... <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif">---
davey3000

by **Cholma** on Wed Sep 26, 2001 7:35 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Josh Phillips:
Well, I'm done thinking out loud. Any comments?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I like the GAS's and don't see them as continuity errors. They're no different from newspapers where the Sunday strip is seperate from the Mon-Sat storyline.And on a different note, I love how Joe used the quotation mark gesture when he said how Ceilidh calls him a "social nitwit". <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/cool.gif">Cholma

by **Quasispace** on Wed Sep 26, 2001 9:34 am

Cholma: That's true. Although many daily strips did run non-continuity Sundays(Since not all the newspapers subscribed to them, it's kind of rough to make some readers miss out on a piece the storyline) Those were still written by the original author. So as Josh points out, the GASs aren't canon. While they may use the Avalon characters, they are more often than not used in unsual ways.As to work Josh'll have to do... renaming the GAS files and telling KS to update the site... That's more tedium work though. Perhaps assuming that they(his employers) don't mind, he could spend his non-productive hours renaming files <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/tongue.gif">.
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Actually thinking normally, even with so little sleep.

by **Fool** on Wed Sep 26, 2001 10:53 am

Ah, just leave it as it is.
Continuity is for the weak and there've been too many concessions made for them already!
Now the weak are everywhere, man!
They've even gotten into the higher levels of government!
It's a conspiracy! A weak conspiracy, I tell you!...um...Nevermind.*looks at the ceiling*

by **Josh Phillips** on Wed Sep 26, 2001 11:03 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Klaus Petersen:
My suggestion: the GAS's that are truly integral to the storyline, keep them in the primary archive.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Some storylines are integral to some GASes... but the GASes are not integral to the storylines. The main archive will not lose any continuity by removing the GAS strips (quite the opposite, actually... it'll be more continuous without the interruptions). <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Make a secondary archive with all GAS's, no exceptions(!), with manually added links to the primary archive as appropriate.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ah, there's an idea... wherever the GAS now appears in the archive, I'll replace it with a text link to the appropriate GAS. The only difference here is that you don't see the GAS as you initially go through the archive, but it's there if you want to see it within the continuity. This would be easy to accomplish under Keenspot's archival system. What would be harder would be to create a separate Sunday archive identical to the "canon" archive. In fact, there's little point to such a thing, since the GASes have no continuity with respect to each other. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>As for Revisionism: make it easy for yourself, Josh, keep it to a minimum.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hm... wat do you mean by "revisionism?" I always use that term when I'm altering the already-established canon. In the case of removing GASes from the archive, no revisionism is necessary or implied, because they were never canon to begin with.JOSH.
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by **Fool** on Thu Sep 27, 2001 4:17 am

Okay, everyone!
Grab some sharpened pencils and let's see how many we can get stuck in him!

by **Shatteredtower** on Sun Sep 30, 2001 7:06 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Fool:
Okay, everyone!
Grab some sharpened pencils and let's see how many we can get stuck in him!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> What is this - Lord of the Flies?

by **Fool** on Mon Oct 01, 2001 5:12 am

No, it's just a variation of the game where you see how many pencils you can get stuck in the ceiling without knocking any of the others down.
If someone is duct taped to the ceiling...Well it gets more exciting, doesn't it?*starts rolling some paper darts*

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