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Postby MizuGoddess on Sun Aug 19, 2001 8:41 am

I LOVE JOE! I LOVE JOE! I LOVE JOE! OH I LOVE JOE!<P>(discuss)
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Postby Friggin' Cornflakes on Sun Aug 19, 2001 8:43 am

I refuse to discuss.<P>Useless posts rule! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif">
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Postby IAMCANADIAN on Sun Aug 19, 2001 8:43 am

Discuss eh?<P>Well I am happy that Joe is stopping Ceilidh before she makes an obvious mistake. I am not, however, optimistic about the whole relationship, I have this terrible feeling (and with good reason) that the whole thing is just going to end as abruptly as it began. With that I will not be pleased.<P>But way to control the hormones there Joe!
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Postby MizuGoddess on Sun Aug 19, 2001 8:52 am

see? that's the type of post i'm talking about.<P>i love joe because he's doing the Right Thing. and because deep down inside he's scared. very scared. but he's also just now realizing that he has to take control of this whole situation right now. so that's what he's doing. i love joe because he has courage. i love joe because he's not taking advantage of a girl with extremely low self esteem. i love joe because he's about to break ceilidh's fragile little mind. oooooh, the unintentional evil.... oooooh, the sexiness.....
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Postby Strangeone on Sun Aug 19, 2001 8:53 am

It was great that Joe wants to hold off Ceilidh before they do something incredibly stupid. Now he just needs to tell her why in a way that won't crush her.
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Postby Drakonius on Sun Aug 19, 2001 8:55 am

I think someone is turned on by something totally totally not right.<P>But yeah, I'm so glad Joe stopped Ceilidh. I'm angry, however, that Josh actually went through with something the readers predicted: Ceilidh wanting to get sexed up. you'd think Josh would get twisty and not show this strip at all, or have it be about something completely different... but no...<P>Oh well, back to the drawing board of predictions.<P>------------------
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Postby pants on Sun Aug 19, 2001 9:01 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MizuGoddess:
<B>(discuss)</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>no discuss. brain fall out.<P>
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Postby gabe on Sun Aug 19, 2001 9:02 am

orrr.. maybe he's stopping her 'cos he already knows exactly how she feels?
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Postby Friggin' Cornflakes on Sun Aug 19, 2001 9:07 am

Hmmm.. Yes, you have a point there. He already know how she feels, and doesn't want her to talk minutes on end, wasting potential bonkin' time.<P>And yes, I am a hypocrite for discussing. What's wrong with that?<P>This msg has been brought to you by delicious, wholesome Cornflakes.
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Postby Eye-B-Typin on Sun Aug 19, 2001 9:18 am

Okay Joe did show strong character by stopping Ceilidh and for that he should be comended, but that doesn't let him off the hook. He just said yes to Ceilidh's proposal to not hurt her feelings, but now he waits till she's naked and throwing herself at him to finally stop her. Now the one thing he wanted to avoid is going to happen, but now only ten times worse. Ceilidh's going to feel rejected and embarrased,how could she face Joe again after a situation like this?<P>Of course I'm thinking that Joe will cancel will whole 'steady' thing next strip which I hope he does. He should not lead Ceilidh on like this especially when his feelings for Helene have not yet been settled.
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Postby Kyousuke on Sun Aug 19, 2001 9:32 am

Joe takes highroad, highroad wins!<P>Joe has three choices, one leave the room, two cover her up or three, gawk. Turning his back is not a choice since she could just get more naked. But no teenage male alive can carry on a serious conversation with a half naked female friend, especially the first time, up close. It is impossible, he will flee if she doesn't cover up.<P>
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Postby Strangeone on Sun Aug 19, 2001 9:40 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Eye-B-Typin:
<B>Okay Joe did show strong character by stopping Ceilidh and for that he should be comended, but that doesn't let him off the hook. He just said yes to Ceilidh's proposal to not hurt her feelings, but now he waits till she's naked and throwing herself at him to finally stop her. Now the one thing he wanted to avoid is going to happen, but now only ten times worse. Ceilidh's going to feel rejected and embarrased,how could she face Joe again after a situation like this?<P>Of course I'm thinking that Joe will cancel will whole 'steady' thing next strip which I hope he does. He should not lead Ceilidh on like this especially when his feelings for Helene have not yet been settled.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Joe agreed (reluctantly) to go steady with Ceilidh, but that doesn't automatically equate itself with sex. He had no idea this was going to happen until she took her bra off in front of him.<P>
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Postby Symok on Sun Aug 19, 2001 9:45 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MizuGoddess:
<B>see? that's the type of post i'm talking about.<P>i love joe because he's doing the Right Thing. and because deep down inside he's scared. very scared. but he's also just now realizing that he has to take control of this whole situation right now. so that's what he's doing. i love joe because he has courage. i love joe because he's not taking advantage of a girl with extremely low self esteem. </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Ok, I'm with you up to here.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>i love joe because he's about to break ceilidh's fragile little mind.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Ok, now, you see, here's where you loose me. If Joe breaks Ceilidh, I'm just gonna have to go use that whatever-the-hell-it-is that Damonk uses to get into his comic, and then take a run to Avalon and break <B>JOE</B> into several pieces.<P>------------------
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Postby ZeroMax on Sun Aug 19, 2001 10:08 am

Joe's going to grow up to be one of those sensitive guys. He misses out on seeing a girl's breasts, but you can imagine that will probably come up later. Right now, he's got to spill his guts.
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Postby Kiggy on Sun Aug 19, 2001 10:20 am

Stay Good , Joe. Stay Good!<P>Most of the post here have already said what I wanted to say. I hope Joe can come up with the proper words and actions in order to save this. I'd really love to see a steady, mature relationship between Joe & Ceilidh, but then that's just my loneliness and my longing for a mate talking.<P>It's all in the hands of Josh now I guess.<P><P>------------------
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Postby RJ Shep on Sun Aug 19, 2001 10:21 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MizuGoddess:
<B>...he's not taking advantage of a girl with extremely low self esteem...he's about to break ceilidh's fragile little mind.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Why is everyone assuming Ceilidh is so <I>fragile?</I>
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Postby Stig Hemmer on Sun Aug 19, 2001 10:35 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RJ Shep:
<B> Why is everyone assuming Ceilidh is so <I>fragile?</I></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>She is a teenager. Most teenagers are rather fragile when it comes to affairs of the heart.<P>She has lots of strength when it comes to facing down ninjas and stuff like that, but let Joe say the wrong word right now, and she will shatter like a marble statue.<P>Mind you, she might be able to pick up the pieces and reassemble herself, but the process will involve a lot of pain.<P>By the way, I'm pretty proud of Joe. I don't know if anybody has noticed, but he has been looking her in the face this whole time, not further down.<P>------------------
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Postby RJ Shep on Sun Aug 19, 2001 10:54 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stig Hemmer:
<B> ...but let Joe say the wrong word right now, and she will shatter like a marble statue.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Naw I still don't buy it. Her whole deal is, she's just learing how to act like a <I>GIRL</I><P>there are many hints in the past strips that she was more or less a tomboy pre-Avalon. And I cannot recall a single instance of her so-called fragility. I will need examples to prove me wrong.<P>
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Postby IAMCANADIAN on Sun Aug 19, 2001 10:56 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RJ Shep:
<B> Why is everyone assuming Ceilidh is so <I>fragile?</I>
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>No, Ceilidh is not at all fragile, but at this particular moment in time she is extremely vulnerable. She IS naked and pouring her heart out to Joe, whom she obviously believes reciprocates her feelings. And although he obviously has strong feelings for her, he doesnt feel what she does. So he does have to be very careful with how he handles this one.
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Postby Rainger on Sun Aug 19, 2001 10:57 am

Joe has suddenly "grown a pair."<P>------------------
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Postby Red_Wago_16 on Mon Aug 20, 2001 12:19 am

This will probably rise a whole lot of moans and get me a poke for being a newbie (I just read the forums and don't reply), but C isn't exactly hitting Joe in the face with her breasts and flaunting them. She could have just thought that he was mature enough to deal with the situation at hand without staring at her, or she could just be flaunting them, what the hell do I know. <P>Anyway, this is a new thing in Avalon and I'm pretty sure there's not going to be any humpin' going on (regardless of how much some want it to happen). I think they both realize that it's not going to happen like that (when/if it happens), and neither of them intended to. It could just be intense focusing on a problem and forgetting about the whole topless thing on her part, then again it could be seal some sort of agreement with herself that she is just now cluing him in on.
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Postby Aeire on Mon Aug 20, 2001 12:23 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by IAMCANADIAN:
<B> No, Ceilidh is not at all fragile, but at this particular moment in time she is extremely vulnerable.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>!WARNING! - Highly controversial opinions ahead...<P>Okay. From what we've seen of Ceilidh, she's a strong little bugger. More than capable of dealing with things. However, she's doing something wrong here - and it's *not* the getting naked thing - it's using that 'Poor little vulnerable sad lonely me' act, yes, ACT, as a way to get to the heart of a man. From EVERYTHING I've seen from Ceilidh, she's a pretty confident girl, she's got her head on her shoulders, and she's not afraid to speak up for herself. "I've always felt lonely, all I want is someone to take comfort in, someone who needs me" She doesn't want a MAN, she wants a protector, or a teddy bear, or someone to stand there and hold her hand and say 'There there, it's alright.'<P>...do you notice, not once has she said or mentioned or asked what Joe would like? What he would need? What he would like to be? How he feels about all this? If I were Joe, I'd be...insulted. HIGHLY insulted. To be asked something like that, and then everything that's she's said from then on has been 'me me me' without a thought or a care for that other person - and the only thing that she *has* done at this point is gotten naked in front of him, whether to lure him in, or appear more fragile in his eyes, I don't know - but <I>Joe isn't falling for it.</I> He's smarter than that. He can see what's going on.<P>Now, whether Ceilidh is DELIBERATELY manipulating him (which I doubt), or doing this because somewhere in her head she's decided that this is the way to GET a man - by getting naked, and getting all soft and feminine and vulnerable and sad and doe eyed (which seems the more likely of the two - who knows what kind of examples she had to learn from), she IS exceedingly vulnerable at this point - she's putting her heart out on the line, hoping that she's doing the right thing. And Joe, on the other hand, may be offended or upset by her actions - because she's assuming that this will work on HIM, instead of trying to get to know him as a PERSON. This has the potential to turn into a devestating situation for her, if Joe doesn't handle things delicately - and perhaps even if he DOES handle it delicately. <P>She's strong in other situations, yes - but the point is, in this type of situation, she isn't. Now, frankly, I don't see Joe forgiving her for this, not right away - maybe eventually. But frankly, I think we're about to see one of the shortest lived 'relationships' in the history of Avalon. Heh.<P>And I'm looking forward to seeing how the two of them deal with this, afterwards. Congrats, Josh...you're pulling me in farther than I thought. Okay, so NOW I'm waiting on the edge of my seat. *giggle*<P>------------------
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Postby Stig Hemmer on Mon Aug 20, 2001 12:23 am

Everybody seems to think Joe is afraid of a Phoebe repeat.<P>While there is probably something to this, I think he might be even more afraid of a Mr./Mrs. Page repeat.<P>------------------
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Postby IAMCANADIAN on Mon Aug 20, 2001 12:43 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aeire:
<B> !WARNING! - Highly controversial opinions ahead...<P>Okay. From what we've seen of Ceilidh, she's a strong little bugger. More than capable of dealing with things. However, she's doing something wrong here - and it's *not* the getting naked thing - it's using that 'Poor little vulnerable sad lonely me' act, yes, ACT, as a way to get to the heart of a man. From EVERYTHING I've seen from Ceilidh, she's a pretty confident girl, she's got her head on her shoulders, and she's not afraid to speak up for herself. "I've always felt lonely, all I want is someone to take comfort in, someone who needs me" She doesn't want a MAN, she wants a protector, or a teddy bear, or someone to stand there and hold her hand and say 'There there, it's alright.'<P>...do you notice, not once has she said or mentioned or asked what Joe would like? What he would need? What he would like to be? How he feels about all this? If I were Joe, I'd be...insulted. HIGHLY insulted. To be asked something like that, and then everything that's she's said from then on has been 'me me me' without a thought or a care for that other person - and the only thing that she *has* done at this point is gotten naked in front of him, whether to lure him in, or appear more fragile in his eyes, I don't know - but <I>Joe isn't falling for it.</I> He's smarter than that. He can see what's going on.<P>Now, whether Ceilidh is DELIBERATELY manipulating him (which I doubt), or doing this because somewhere in her head she's decided that this is the way to GET a man - by getting naked, and getting all soft and feminine and vulnerable and sad and doe eyed (which seems the more likely of the two - who knows what kind of examples she had to learn from), she IS exceedingly vulnerable at this point - she's putting her heart out on the line, hoping that she's doing the right thing. And Joe, on the other hand, may be offended or upset by her actions - because she's assuming that this will work on HIM, instead of trying to get to know him as a PERSON. This has the potential to turn into a devestating situation for her, if Joe doesn't handle things delicately - and perhaps even if he DOES handle it delicately. <P>She's strong in other situations, yes - but the point is, in this type of situation, she isn't. Now, frankly, I don't see Joe forgiving her for this, not right away - maybe eventually. But frankly, I think we're about to see one of the shortest lived 'relationships' in the history of Avalon. Heh.<P>And I'm looking forward to seeing how the two of them deal with this, afterwards. Congrats, Josh...you're pulling me in farther than I thought. Okay, so NOW I'm waiting on the edge of my seat. *giggle*<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>You know, I've analyzed this thing quite a few times now, and I've got posts in most every thread about this strip, but for some reason this has never even crossed my mind. Maybe its because I'm a guy or something and I never thought of it that way. But maybe thats not what's happening at all, maybe she is feeling just like that and is telling Joe because he is the only one she can tell. She really doesnt want to end up like Phoebe. Or maybe not. On the selfishness she's displaying I totally agree. Anyways for more of my opinion on this go read the
"ohhhh dam that sucks <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/frown.gif"> (8/19)" thread.<P>Anyways, well said Aeire, I am going to bed now cause I have written to many posts tonight and I have to work in 5 hours!
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