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Postby Symok on Sun Aug 19, 2001 8:31 am

<IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/eek.gif"><P>Wow..... Josh, you rock. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>Now then, what's Joe up to? Obviously he thiks he knows where Ceilidh is going with this, and is stopign it from going to far. All I can say is, "Good for you"<P>But ya gotta kiss her man!!<P>------------------
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Postby Rogue Princess on Sun Aug 19, 2001 10:10 am

No, no he doesn't. She's incredibly emotionally unstable right now, and that's the worst time to do ANYTHING physical, even just a kiss. Even so, I love Joe. He's now officially a good guy.
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Postby ZeroMax on Sun Aug 19, 2001 10:13 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rogue Princess:
<B>No, no he doesn't. She's incredibly emotionally unstable right now, and that's the worst time to do ANYTHING physical, even just a kiss. Even so, I love Joe. He's now officially a good guy.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Um... emotionally unstable? Why the hell is she even like that? I mean, she's got friends, family, and a really good life! That chick needs to stop living in the past and realize her life isn't the way it was before.<P>
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Postby TW on Mon Aug 20, 2001 12:30 am

There isn't always a simple reason for emotional turmoil, especially in teens. Some kids have situational depression because of something like a traumatic home life. Other kids seem to have everything in the world, but suffer from chronic depression for no apparent reason. Usually there is a history of the problem in the family to explain things in that situation.
The point is, "just cheer up!" doesn't work for a manic-depressive, "eat something" doesn't work for an anorexic, and "Like yourself!" doesn't work for Ceilidh. There are reasons for the way she feels and that's what Joe has to address. I think this may have been the only way to help Ceilidh permanently; not that this was Joe's plan or anything, but if he wants to show her how much he cares about her as a person, stopping her was the smartest move in the world.
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Postby Atlas_v1.1 on Mon Aug 20, 2001 6:03 am

Stopping her might have been smart. But now he needs to find a way to explain why he stopped her without awakening her Scottish Rage(tm). Yes, I fully do think she will fly into a rage if he screws up. If she is left with a sense that she's been betrayed, Joe would do well to jump out the window - he'd get less hurt that way. And she might easily be brought to that idea, considering that Joe has a way of saying the wrong things... A typical case of trying to control himself and failing.<P>Joe needs to loosen control a bit. Because he can't control himself adequately - as already demonstrated by his answer at Timmy's.<P>Ceilidh needs, for her part, a little pride and self-esteem. I know what she's going through. Same place I was in her age. I've only lately gotten over it, and I still have some problems with low self-esteem... My wonderful GF is helping me with that, though.<P>Two dysfunctional teens in a varying state of undress, one emotionally charged situation... Zero chance of success... <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/frown.gif">
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Postby Dandin on Mon Aug 20, 2001 7:48 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TW:
<B>There isn't always a simple reason for emotional turmoil, especially in teens. </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P> I agree with you because I know exactly what your talking about. When I was 12 I was pulled out of school because I was suffering from ALOT of anxiety, depression, and fears which made going to school impossible. About a year or two later I found out I had OCD (Obsessive compulsive disorder). It only got worse as I got older and many people didn't realize, as you said, that you just can't say "Get over it" and expect that to work. So my teen years were turned into a living hell. I'm 19 now and even with medication I still don't leave home. That's one reason I enjoy this comic so much, it lets me imagine what it would've been like if those 7 years of my life weren't taken away. So I can somewhat imagine what Ceilidh is going through.<P>Dandin<P><P>------------------
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Postby David Adrian on Mon Aug 20, 2001 10:54 am

Um, why would she be depressed? Someone actually missed a buildup like this?<P>(*sigh*) Okay, just the recent stuff, and just off the top of my head:<P>She tried to do something nice for Phoebe, only to see nothing come of it. In fact, Phoebe shut her down cold, and left without throwing ANYONE a bone. Now Ceilidh is more scared than ever for her.<P>She's gone through a lot of soul-searching since school let out. That can be upsetting to anyone, especially someone as insecure and self-concious as Ceilidh. Sometimes when you take your soul out and look at it, you don't like the sight very much...<P>She came to a big decision about Joe. This is a step she hasn't ever taken before, and new directions are always scary.<P>When she tried to implement her decision, Joe was unavailable. So she had to wait almost the whole day to even see him. Personally, I think the whole Tim Horton's thing was her getting cold feet and having to regroup... plus a way to bring Diedre and Ryan back in. But you can see how stewing for most of the day would take a toll on Ceilidh.<P>She got Joe to agree, but we all saw his hesitation. She could probably sense it too; she isn't stupid or lacking in empathy.<P>On their way home, they got caught by a surprise storm. Not a pleasant experience, and it probably ruined what she hoped would be a nice romantic time.<P>Now, when she finds herself in a completely unexpected situation (I'm sorry, I REFUSE to believe she planned that kind of cold seduction), Joe turns out to be something she didn't realize. (A gentleman! Honestly, you people...)<P>After that kind of stress buildup, she could be in for anything from depression or even a nervous breakdown all the way to joyous exaltation if Joe says the right things.<P>I'm hoping he stays a gentleman...
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Postby Dandin on Tue Aug 21, 2001 7:52 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DragonFlare:
<B>In the end lets all hope this is something a loving couple can look back on, look in their younger days and laugh on it, and have no worries and regret. <P>Thanks<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P> I hope so too.<P>Dandin<P><P>------------------
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Postby DragonFlare on Tue Aug 21, 2001 11:07 am

This is a classic thing of.. I need to be loved, but get to close and it will hurt.. Also known as the hedgehog Dilemma. I think Joe knows this, trying to be close but not too close. Where he sits now it's a hard thing to follow up.. he has a 1/2 naked girl who wants him, and I know she in her heart cares for him, and I think he semi knows that. Joe was a smart man for what he did, not to take advantage and ruin something they have together, a good friendship. In the end lets all hope this is something a loving couple can look back on, look in their younger days and laugh on it, and have no worries and regret. <P>Thanks<P>------------------
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