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Postby Walky on Sun Jul 01, 2001 10:06 am

Bad Iain. Bad. <P>Rule #1: Alison is not Mary from Roomies. Alison is The Person Who Makes Sense. <P>Rule #2: You made her mad. Now I'll beat you.<P>Rule #3: You should have hit on her. She's the coolest female in Avalon.<P>Rule #4: There is no #4.<P>--David
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Postby Elim Stone on Mon Jul 02, 2001 12:36 am

Ah.. but he IS "hitting on" her... Not in a generally affable "college frat boy" style of "come on", of course; but through a gesture that springs from a true attraction to a person and says "I like you, but there's some fundamental issues that you've got to be willing to compromise with me in order for things to work out."<P>In short, he is treating her as a human being, and NOT (purely) as an object of lust.<P>And, if you will notice, she has done the same things here, laying her demands on the table. Actually the ball is in her court (so to speak), as he has, by the afore mentioned actions, shown her that he CAN act in a manner unlike his previous (imagined?) exploits.<p>[This message has been edited by Elim Stone (edited 07-02-2001).]
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Postby bunnyThor on Mon Jul 02, 2001 1:23 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pauline Hewitt:
<B> I'll buy that. Typical. People have been pestering Josh to give her a boy friend and he's twisted us again. But... But it can't work. But he's leaving. But she'd have to swallow so much of what she publicaly said. But...
All the same - rather her than me.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Oh, come now. Don't deny your deeply felt feelings of hot Aussie love. Tell us the truth--it's the stylin' 70's sideburns that give you the torso twitters, yes?<P>Let me tell you, if I had my hands on Iain right now, you know what I'd do?<P>That's right. I'd sell him on ebay. Never have to work again.<P><P>------------------
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Postby Hai-Etlik on Mon Jul 02, 2001 1:50 am

I don't realy think Allison is the outside observer because she feels/wants to feel moraly superiour, but because she doesn't care and doesn't want the inconveniance of getting involved. She doesn't perceive the activities of the others as "immoral" but as pointles, and possibly damaging. She respects her friends' rights to do what they want without her interferance, but feels Iain is an external threat to them and is therefore willing to interfere. It's not just that he is promiscuous, it's that his promiscuity is a threat to her friends.<P>
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Postby Monk Bum on Mon Jul 02, 2001 2:02 am

Damn. Why haven't we heard more of Iain's wisdom. Is there a cult of Iain that I can follow? If there is, I want to be accepted and become one with Iain!<P><table style="filter:shadow(color=orangered,strength=6)">IAIN! IAIN! IAIN!</table><p>[This message has been edited by Monk Bum (edited 07-02-2001).]
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Postby Strangeone on Mon Jul 02, 2001 2:04 am

Iain should really be throttled for his entire response, but his capper is at the end. "Let's eat." This suggests he doesn't even want Alison to have a chance to defend herself.<P>Go home, you Aussie punkass. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/mad.gif"><P>(This by no means suggests that I hate Aussies, just Iain, who happens to be an Aussie.)
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Postby MizunoL on Mon Jul 02, 2001 7:33 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Strangeone:
[B]Go home, you Aussie punkass. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/mad.gif">
[B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>And stay there. I swear Josh, if Iain returns, I'll lynch you myself.
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Postby Tetravus on Mon Jul 02, 2001 9:27 am

And if you look at her face, he came at her out of left field, but I think he's also hit very close to home... She has that sort of "!" expression...<P>
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Postby Pauline Hewitt on Mon Jul 02, 2001 10:17 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Elim Stone:
<B>In short, he is treating her as a human being, and NOT (purely) as an object of lust.
And, if you will notice, she has done the same things here, laying her demands on the table.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I'll buy that. Typical. People have been pestering Josh to give her a boy friend and he's twisted us again. But... But it can't work. But he's leaving. But she'd have to swallow so much of what she publicaly said. But...
All the same - rather her than me.
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Postby Angie Spice on Mon Jul 02, 2001 10:40 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MizunoL:
<B> And stay there. I swear Josh, if Iain returns, I'll lynch you myself. </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Unless Iain finds a way to stay?<P>
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Postby Trunkster on Mon Jul 02, 2001 10:49 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Angie Spice:
<B> Unless Iain finds a way to stay?
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Or better yet, Alison runs off with him! Bwahahaha, go twistiness go!
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Postby Asha on Tue Jul 03, 2001 12:13 am

I want to buy Iain off of ebay.<P>
And you know, where I come from, being a punkass is a compliment.
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Postby Myriad on Tue Jul 03, 2001 4:10 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Walky:
<B>Alison is The Person Who Makes Sense.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>... out of other people. I mean, who really sits around psychoanalyzing her friends for fun? But she seems to be so busy studying other people (Ceilidh, Phoebe, Iain, Joe, the others as well most likely) that she's not actually living her own life.<P>People like to say that Alison's the normal one. She's just as dysfunctional as the rest of the Avalon crew. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/tongue.gif"> She's wrapped herself up in the role of the mentor, counselor, guide. Who does she turn to? Does she ever turn to anyone? Does she have enough of a life outside of other's people's problems that she would need to?<P>As much as it galls me to admit it, Iain's dead on. And he's probably the only one who would've said something, because the others all rely on her judgement too much.<P>Of course, I could be wrong, maybe she has this wild nightlife going in downtown Avalon that no one knows about. I can't say it'd surprise me.<P>Thank you, drive through. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"><P>-mYrIaD_
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Postby RJ Shep on Tue Jul 03, 2001 5:31 am

Here is my take on the Alison/Iain blowup...<P>Look at Alison's character... She is the MOTHER of the group.
She is the first one to approach Ceilidh on Day one. Indeed, Ali takes Ceilidh under her wing, making intros, etc.
In strip 1:17.1-2 she's all -you don't look good, have some coffee-
Alison hosts the New Years party both times.
1:41.2 she questions why Joe has a lighter.
1:64 *She* initiates her involvement in the Ceilidh-Joe thing.
On the way back from the hockey game, she encourages Mrs. P to start the Cafe.
She jumps in and helps RUN the Cafe, without being asked, and before being hired.
SHE is the one people turn to for advice, stability.
That is her niche in the social structure.
So when Iain blows in, he pushes all Ceilidh's buttons, then all but ignores her for to chase Phoebe.
Alison sees Ceilidh losing interest in Joe, Phoebe pissed off beyond measure, Joe flustered and upset.
And Iain hasn't even got a crack in his cheese-eating grin (or should that be vegemite?)
All Ali's hard work in keeping her little clan stable and happy is in the crapper.<P>So, in 2:180.4, When Iain shows an unmasked carnal interest in the other girls there,
Ali sees it as a threat to her "charges" and clear evidence that his "interest" in Ceilidh and Phoebe was purely predatory.<P>And you know what will happen when you mess with a mother bear's cubs...
That "NNNGGYEEUH" was a GROWL!<P>Then he stood up to her, which we've not seen anybody do yet, and just causally dismissed the whole confrontation.
This left her in stunned silence, and we have yet to see the fallout of it.<P>RJ Shep<P>
As an aside, how do you pronounce "Guelph"?
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Postby Nrg Spoon on Tue Jul 03, 2001 6:46 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RJ Shep:
<B>
As an aside, how do you pronounce "Guelph"?</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>That would be just how it looks.. Goo-el-p-huh... <P>Actually it's gwelf.
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Postby Dynonychus on Tue Jul 03, 2001 6:58 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trunkster:
<B> Or better yet, Alison runs off with him!</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well, Josh <I>did</I> say there was going to be three farewells... <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/rolleyes.gif"><P><P>------------------
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Postby Cranky Old Man on Tue Jul 03, 2001 7:32 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>She is the first one to approach Ceilidh on Day one. Indeed, Ali takes Ceilidh under her wing, making intros, etc.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Its funny, I always took her self-introduction as a little desperate: <A HREF="http://www.avalonhigh.com/d/19991116.html" TARGET=_blank>see?</A><P>Actually, reading what Alison says in that little panel gets me to wondering what happened to her back then. Probably, nothing.<P>Iain's right. Alison is afraid. She's held herself aloft from all the twistiness of her friends' relationships, because she sees how it hurt them. She holds parties, hangs out, but she never gets <B>involved.</B> And as much as I hate Iain (only slightly less than Alan), he speaks the truth to Alison. And it struck a cord with her.<P>But I don't think Alison v. Iain is going to wind up as Alison + Iain. I think Josh is simply using Iain to force Alison to look at her own life for a chance. Alison hates Iain for how he treats her friends. Iain, who sees nothing wrong with said treatment, spats back a truthful observation at Alison. Just because Iain's words got through doesn't mean Alison is gonna go all snugglebunnies with the Aussie.<P>Snugglebunnies???
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Postby RJ Shep on Tue Jul 03, 2001 7:52 am

Well, thats what this is all about, this thing called Avalon, isn't it?<P>Lonliness, and how the various characters deal.<P>Ceilidh - Mopes, then schemes
Phoebe - Hooks up w/ loser, goes postal
Alison - Mothers the others
Helene - chases Alan
Deirdre - Poaches Feeb's wannabe BF
Nancy - Buries herself in politics<P>just my $.02<P>RJ Shep
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Postby Fool on Tue Jul 03, 2001 10:17 am

Three farewells?<P>
Hmmmm...<P>
I know!<P>Farewell my baby! Farewell my honey! Farewell my ragtime gaaaal!
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Postby Nidhogg on Tue Jul 03, 2001 10:40 am

Well, I hate to say it, but I really agree with Iain.<P>*attempts to duck out of harm's way*<P>You know, Ali just came out of left field there, didn't she? She may not LIKE Iain; she may not even approve of what he does, but talk about pointlessly judgmental.<P>She agrees with him when he says she's mad at him because he's promiscuous. Hmm... green with envy? Everyone gets Iain but HER?<P>But if someone started insulting you out of the blue, especially when you're an aussie (okay, I don't mean that, but it was an easy shot), how are you gonna react?<P>------------------
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Postby Fool on Wed Jul 04, 2001 3:22 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AndrewTBP:
<B> You are aware that "you bastard" is a term of affection in Australian
English, aren't you?</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>It is for me, too.<P>But then again, I'm illegitimate.
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Postby AndrewTBP on Wed Jul 04, 2001 11:18 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nidhogg:
<B> But if someone started insulting you out of the blue, especially
when you're an aussie, how are you gonna react?
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>You are aware that "you bastard" is a term of affection in Australian
English, aren't you?<P>"... a scumbag even the likes of you!"
"That's a strange expression, Alison."
"I heard the Prime Minister use it during Question Time, Iain."
"Ah, yeah, that'd be right."<P><P>------------------
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Postby TW on Thu Jul 05, 2001 9:10 am

You bastard.<P>T.W.
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Postby Fool on Fri Jul 06, 2001 3:31 am

Yup!
I suuuuuuure am.
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Postby Nick Pavlovski on Fri Jul 06, 2001 8:05 am

I'm just gald she's finally proven to be just as fallible as anyone else.
Not all her wisdom is good.<P>C'mon, Aussie, c'mon!
(Where are ya Rabidazell and Mzacher? We gotta stand up for Iain here!)
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