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Postby Kaoru on Wed May 02, 2001 12:22 am

Gadzooks! Ryan's become Deirdre's love slave!<B>(EDIT: Picture removed to clear server space.)</B>
Here you go, NotDamonk!<p>[This message has been edited by Kaoru (edited 06-19-2001).]
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Postby Jen Aside on Wed May 02, 2001 1:54 am

D'oh! <IMG SRC="http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/kao/chika/chirol_gusun.gif"> You posted when I was still coloring...<P> <IMG SRC="http://sgp.keenspace.com/images/avalon/sddeirdre.jpg">
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Postby Kaoru on Wed May 02, 2001 2:18 am

Pheh. You did a better job anyway.
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Postby Jen Aside on Wed May 02, 2001 4:01 am

<IMG SRC="http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/kao/chika/chirolp_hello2.gif"> If you have Photoshop, you can use method one or two:<P><ol>
<li>Go to <a href=http://www.fur.com/~almackey/ target=new>Alan Mackey's coloring tutorial</a>. It's a perfectly good tutorial, so might as well use it. Since that appears to be down right now as I double-checked it:
<li>Create a new layer. Set that layer to "Multiply." Paint on the new layer and watch it add your colors over the old ones, which would put color in place of white, and leave black as black.
<IMG SRC="http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/kao/chika/chirolp_iei.gif"> But if you don't have Photoshop (*ahem* crack it *cough*),
<li>Scan in your drawing at thereabouts of 600000000 dpi on "line art." If you don't know what setting that is, get someone else to scan it. If it's all you can do to get a "photo" scan, then as long as it's huge, you can fiddle with the contrast and reduce colors to 2 to get nice solid black and white lines. If you don't, it's prolly something with your picture, and I'd have to take that case individually. Then, increase colors to 16.7 million whatever and color, then when you color it in, resize it, and your paint program should anti-alias it nicely (as in Josh's how-to... I'm surprised some of you haven't read that yet).
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Postby mzacher on Wed May 02, 2001 5:19 am

Hmmm, it's interesting to see how many people seem to have much better systems for colouring than I do... <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"><P>For what it's worth, I've found the tutorials at: <A HREF="http://www.polykarbon.com/tutorials/index.htm" TARGET=_blank>http://www.polykarbon.com/tutorials/index.htm</A> <P>to be really useful (if very Photoshop specific).<P>...and it looks like I should have another try at GIMP. It's been a *long* time since I played with it.
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Postby lostfactor on Wed May 02, 2001 6:16 am

Hmm... Karou... your coloration makes me think of Lina Inverse... and that reminds me of a little sketch I've got on my desk...<P>"CHIBI-DRAGU SLAVE!"<P>Heh. Anyhow, good coloring, both of you, and VERY good drawing, Damonk (as usual).
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Postby not damonk on Wed May 02, 2001 7:27 am

Very nice, Jen and Kaoru! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"> <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"> <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"><P>How the <I>heck</I> dis you guys manage to colour without getting those annoying white and grey flecks that edge the line art??<P>I <I>really</I> need to know!!!<P>Please teach this young Grasshopper (who uses GIMP)!!!<P><P>------------------
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Postby Kaoru on Wed May 02, 2001 7:49 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by not damonk:
<B>Please teach this young Grasshopper (who uses GIMP)!!!</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>A while back I had a Windows port of GIMP on my machine. I'll download it again and begin to work on a good formula for coloring. <P>
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Postby not damonk on Wed May 02, 2001 8:51 am

all i want to know is how to get rid of those pesky white/grey specks that stick to the line art <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"><P>you're the best for wanting to help, kaoru!
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Postby Zombified on Wed May 02, 2001 8:56 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by not damonk:
<B>all i want to know is how to get rid of those pesky white/grey specks that stick to the line art <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif">
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<P>Does this show up after you convert to jpg? Maybe you can try reducing the amount of compression if you are getting jpg jaggies.<P><p>[This message has been edited by Zombified (edited 05-02-2001).]
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Postby not damonk on Wed May 02, 2001 9:02 am

nope, it's whenever I try to fill with colour...<P>the thing is, i figure there must be a way to make all the grayish edges of the line art convert to black, but I have yet to discover how...<P>One person told me to layer CG, which is great for airbrushing, as the colours meld/mesh when flattening the image.<P>But when I want to add a fill, I still can't make it happen without the grey/white speck appear.
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Postby Vae on Wed May 02, 2001 9:42 am

Well I don't know the program, but maybe you have to take the line art and either use a contrast tab to turn the contrast all the way up, or if there is a "decrease color depth" tab, you can use that to decrease the colors to 2 colors only, black and white, then put the colors back up to 24 bit, and then fill them in.<P>I use Paint Shop Pro, by the way, and I like it.
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Postby Kaoru on Wed May 02, 2001 10:11 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vae:
<B>Well I don't know the program, but maybe you have to take the line art and either use a contrast tab to turn the contrast all the way up, or if there is a "decrease color depth" tab, you can use that to decrease the colors to 2 colors only, black and white, then put the colors back up to 24 bit, and then fill them in.
I use Paint Shop Pro, by the way, and I like it.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well, turning up the contrast or reducing the palette to 2 colors will deteriorate the lines severely.<P>Well NotDamonk, after much experimentation I have determined that there are two methods(for GIMP) you can choose.<P><B>METHOD A</B>: (Or the simple method.)
Adjust the fill tool's threshold setting. Simply fill as normal and if you see white and gray flecks, hit undo and turn up the threshold setting and do it again. If you get spillover then turn down the threshold setting. This is the result I got:<P><B>(EDIT: Picture removed to clear server space.)</B><P><B>METHOD B</B>: (Or the somewhat more timeconsuming method.)
Duplicate the Layer, select the entire canvas and select the the background. Fill the whole background with black or another dark color.(This makes the next step easier.) Then use the Fuzzy Selection tool to erase all the white from the foreground (making the white parts transparent.) Then go to drop the brightness setting to the lowest you can make it go, twice. Then make the background white again and duplicate the foreground. then merge one of the two foreground layers to the background. Then go about filling as normal (making sure to seal leaks along the way.) Also besure to always have the background selected when filling. There will be about 10-20 pixels gray/white which will just have to be cleaned up manually. When you're happy with it flatten the layers and save. This is the result I got:<P><B>(EDIT: Picture removed to clear server space.)</B><P>(Oh and I took the time to shade this one too, but it didn't have any affect on whether the flecks appeared or not.)<P>Gah, that sounded like one of those shows where the person is making a dessert or piece of furniture or something.
Oh and I normally use Photoshop 5.5, but GIMP seems to work awesome for shading...Hmm...<p>[This message has been edited by Kaoru (edited 06-19-2001).]
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Postby Sterling on Wed May 02, 2001 10:52 am

Thumbs up for the GIMP! I don't do much graphics editing, but it works well for the stuff I do. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"> If you manage to work out some details of what's causing it, and its some kind of abnormal operation, be sure to submit it as a bug report.<P>One of the nice things about the GIMP is the plugins. As I said, I don't do much image editing, but there are a lot of plugins that seem quite useful.<P>How's the Windows port of it work (compared to your usual program or the Unix version, if you've used that)? I've got some friends who are looking for good, free image editing programs, and I'll point them towards it if its relatively reliable and useful.<P>------------------
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Postby not damonk on Wed May 02, 2001 11:07 am

it's CHIBI DEEDEE!!!<P> <IMG SRC="http://framed.keenspace.com/images/deirdre4BW.gif"> <P>.<P>hee hee... i just can't seem to stop drawing Deirdre lately! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"><P>This time, though, I was too lazy too colour it, but if any of <I>you</I> fine colourists out there want to give it a whirl, here's where you can find the <A HREF="http://framed.keenspace.com/images/deirdre4BW.bmp" TARGET=_blank>bitmap</A> to work with!<P>G'wan! Show me how a <I>real</I> colourist does it, folks! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"> <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/cool.gif"> <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"><P>------------------
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Postby Kaoru on Wed May 02, 2001 11:11 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sterling:
<B>How's the Windows port of it work (compared to your usual program or the Unix version, if you've used that)? I've got some friends who are looking for good, free image editing programs, and I'll point them towards it if its relatively reliable and useful.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well, the images that you see in my previous post were done with the windows port. It's fairly stable, although rarely I get a DOS window popping up describing some error and if I close it GIMP will close as well, but if I minimize it then I can keep working. The worst problem it seems to have is with the dropdown menus, buttons and the fact that the Script-Fu doesn't always close when you close the program (it will sometimes remain on in the background.) However, these problems can be worked around with patience and they really don't hamper things too much. Also, I recommend just experimenting at first. Cause if you're a regular Windows user like me, GIMP's layout can be mind boggling at first. And finally, when closing GIMP in Windows, do it from the tool section window. Not that anything will happen if you don't do it this way, but it's the most expedient and least troublesome way of closing the program.
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Postby gwalla on Wed May 02, 2001 11:38 am

Is it just me, or does it look like Deedee slipped Ryan some magic mushrooms?<P>Ryan: "Wow, the colors! The colors! HEEE hee hee...*drool*"<P>------------------
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Postby Hai-Etlik on Thu May 03, 2001 12:09 am

Yet another method:
<ol>
<LI>Create new layer and fill with black,
<LI>add layer mask to the new layer.
<LI>copy your B+W image into the mask
<LI>Invert the layer Mask
</ol>
you now have an image that is transparent where the old one was white.
You will be able to paint on the maske
d layer to vary the colours of the lines if you want as well.
More still:
<ol>
<LI>invert B+W image
<LI>add a layer beneath it
<LI>set the top layer to subtract mode
<LI>paint away on the lower layer
</ol>
There are probably inumerable tricks you can pull with different layer modes to get this effect.
<hr>
This inspired me to create a script-fu <a href="http://members.home.com/hai-etlik/transparentify.scm">script</a> to automate this (the first method I listed). Just put it in your gimp scripts directory and if GIMP is allready running go Xtns/Script-Fu/Refresh to refresh your script, from then on when you want to colourize a B+W image, just bring up the image menu, go to Script-Fu/Scanned/Transparentify and pick the colours you want for the lines and background.
I am a truly pathetic artist (if that term can even be applied to me) but I do occationaly scan stuff in so this may just be of use to me too. Oh, and to the people who suggest cracking Photoshop: Why risk piracy for an inferior program? <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif">
<hr>
OK, I'm on a roll, I now have yet another <a href="http://members.home.com/hai-etlik/transparentify2.scm">script</a> which should allow for bucket fills to work, but it requires that you have good dark lines in order to work. Basicly it combines the raise contrast method with the overlay method to make a guideline layer (which is bucket fillable) with the origional antialiased lines over top.
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I did a test run using Deirdre and the second script:
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