Why Ryan and Deirdre aren't getting it on (Ref 2:160.3)

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Postby podspud on Tue May 01, 2001 2:27 am

This previously stated fact is dependent on one thing, the tool of sarcasm, wich IMHO has gone over a few heads. <P>1) Take into account that Deirdre is a sarcastic individual from the get go. This can be seen from Ryan and Deeds first encounter "Go away, I'm voting NDP" (2:50.2), her first appearance in the strips (ref 2:40-45) and her general friendly banter to her sister. Just from this alone, I wouldn't put it past her remarks in 2:160.3 <P>2) It is obvious that Ryan and Deirdre are comfortable around each other to the point of joking around with sexual innuendos. I still think they're seeing each other in secret, but nevertheless at least at the level of very good friends. Now I have a few of my female friends who joke around with me and every third thing out of our mouths is usually something so a playful, joking sexual nature, which I believe to be the case in the offending cell.<P>3) Looking at Ryan for a sec, I personally think if they were "secretly shagging" for the past four months, I think Ryan would have taken the whole "Just a Friend" thing a bit differently. His initial reaction was a *bah* (yeah, whatever) and he approached Deeds with an unobtrusive "oh so what was that all about anyway?" attitude.... if they were that involved, it could have issues on their relationship for one of them denying it. Furthermore, I think Ryan could have taken it pretty badly if it were the case, and I think the meeting would have had a bit more confrontational overtones.<P>4) So far, this strip has been pretty much "PG"ish. I'm not saying that the involvement of two characters sexually would be bad, it just would be a thematic departure from what's already been written for the last little while. It's just that this is Avalon, not Sinfest or the Thin-H Line.<P>5) And to top it all off, I just think this is a bit of leftover Friday twistness askew because of the late updates. If you look at the Comics DATE, it clearly reads 27 April 01, which is a Friday.<P>Anyways there's my 2 cents. And don't get me wrong ... it wouldn't mind seeing the home videos <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/cool.gif"><P>PodSpud
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Postby Kaoru on Tue May 01, 2001 2:33 am

Right, but Sinfest is at most PG-13 whereas the now defunct Thin H Line was more like NC-17 or X. This is just knitpicking, but Sinfest and THL aren't exactly equal when it comes to offensive material. THL was at least 100 times more offensive than Sinfest.<p>[This message has been edited by Kaoru (edited 05-01-2001).]
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Postby The Incredible Hatboy on Tue May 01, 2001 2:48 am

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Looking at Ryan for a sec, I personally think if they were "secretly shagging" for the past four months, I think Ryan would have taken the whole "Just a Friend" thing a bit differently. His initial reaction was a *bah* (yeah, whatever) and he approached Deeds with an unobtrusive "oh so what was that all about anyway?" attitude.... if they were that involved, it could have issues on their relationship for one of them denying it. Furthermore, I think Ryan could have taken it pretty badly if it were the case, and I think the meeting would have had a bit more confrontational overtones.
---------<P>Except that if I were in Ryan's shoes, and I'd been doing the hi-did-dli-oh 'til the break of dawn with Deidre, I'd have the same reaction.<P>------------------
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Postby davey3000 on Tue May 01, 2001 2:51 am

IMHO, there have been far two many hints now that they are a couple (walking away arm in arm, Iain's conversation with Ryan, Deirdre's latest comment, Deirdres' first conversation with Ryan) - it would be a poor bit of storytelling if all of this suggestion was signalling the opposite, and I don't think it's Joshs' style either.<P>Please, let's not twist this out of shape too much, all we'll never untangle the story... <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>If only Josh were around to confirm the truth...<P>---
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Postby Sterling on Tue May 01, 2001 3:19 am

I'm undecided on this... I think its equally possible that they have engaged in premarital hanky-panky, but its also possible that Ryan and/or Deirdre has been holding back, possibly despite the wishes of the other. And Podspud is right, it does sound like the banter of two young people who are very comfortable around each other.<P>My view right now? It could be looming close on the horizon, but the storm isn't here yet. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"><P>But we can't know for sure, so we'll just have to wait for Josh to reveal it to us.<P>------------------
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Postby Monk Bum on Tue May 01, 2001 4:59 am

Dee and Ryan getting it on. I don't think so. Ryan, though desprate, is too much of a wimp to get Dee in bed with him. And Dee realizes that she could do something more for Ryan, but doesn't want to corrupt him just yet. Ryan is obviously Dee's manbit**.
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Postby MizunoL on Tue May 01, 2001 6:00 am

Y'know if Ryan and Deeds really aren't doing the horizontal hoedown, then why is Ryan so touchy about sex when Iain brings it up in <A HREF="http://www.avalonhigh.com/d/20010326.html" TARGET=_blank>2:136</A>?<P>----
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Postby aardvark on Tue May 01, 2001 6:30 am

All nonsense - Clintonesque legalism and flat-out denial. It's been dead obvious since the first night at the donut shop, and the only sense in which 2:160.3 cannot be called confirmation is that one cannot confirm an event for which certainty has already been established.<P>Tomorrow: Why Avalon is <I>really</I> set in Jamaica, and not Canada as had been assumed.<P>------------------
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Postby John Campbell on Tue May 01, 2001 7:03 am

Yeah, that's sarcasm. She's saracastically dismissing the possibility of telling <EM>Phoebe</EM>, of all people, that she's been playing hide-the-ferret with the guy who <EM>was</EM> after <EM>her</EM>. <P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><I>Originally posted by MizunoL:</I>
Y'know if Ryan and Deeds really aren't doing the horizontal hoedown, then why is Ryan so touchy about sex when Iain brings it up in <A HREF="http://www.avalonhigh.com/d/20010326.html" TARGET=_blank>2:136</A>?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>And yet, not touchy at all when Deirdre mentions it...<P>They're doing it, folks. Ryan wouldn't take her mentioning it so calmly if they weren't.<P>
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Postby mzacher on Tue May 01, 2001 7:10 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MizunoL:
<B>Y'know if Ryan and Deeds really aren't doing the horizontal hoedown, then why is Ryan so touchy about sex when Iain brings it up in <A HREF="http://www.avalonhigh.com/d/20010326.html" TARGET=_blank>2:136</A>?<P>----
-MizunoL, confused as all Hell</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>...um, maybe because Ryan/Deirdre <B>aren't</B>doing the horizontal hoedown...?<P>Or maybe he's just shocked that Iain has managed to jump to the wrong conclusion (in whichever way) after only about 2.5 seconds of conversation?
(Whoo, that beats my personal record by about 2 secs. Impressive. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"> )<P>I must admit, I read Deirdre's lines with the 'sarcasm' voice firmly *on*. (...and then I read it *without* the sarcasm. There's a wee bit of a difference. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"> )
Personally , I think the strip works either way. (I'd accuse Josh-Sensei of being deliberately ambiguous, but I'd probably have to stand in line. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"> )<P>So, just read it in whichever way confuses your preconceptions. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif">
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Postby MizunoL on Tue May 01, 2001 7:14 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mzacher:
<B>So, just read it in whichever way confuses your preconceptions. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I have tried this. They <I>all</I> confuse my preconceptions.
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Postby mzacher on Tue May 01, 2001 7:20 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MizunoL:
<B> I have tried this. They <I>all</I> confuse my preconceptions.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>...yeah, Josh-Sensei is <I>good</I> at this, ain't he? <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"><P>
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Postby Q99 on Tue May 01, 2001 7:46 am

Hmm....I think Ryan's reaction to Iain do make a bit more sense if they have been having sex.<P>Either he has been having sex with Deirdre but is guilty about hiding it , or hasn't , but is strongly interested in doing so , I think.
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Postby Pauline Hewitt on Tue May 01, 2001 8:52 am

<p>Alternativly Josh is setting up Ceilidh to press Ryan into a date with Pheobe. Pheobe is more sympathetic this time. Ryan, Mr. Nice Guy, feels bad about two timing the Bradly sisters but feels trapped. When he goes to talk it through with DeeDee she has another agenda:</p>
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Postby bunnyThor on Tue May 01, 2001 9:10 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mzacher:
<B> (I'd accuse Josh-Sensei of being deliberately ambiguous, but I'd probably have to stand in line. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"> )
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>"Deliberately ambiguous"?
How much more clear can he get?<P>Let me paraphrase Deeds:
"I AM SHAGGING RYAN!"<P>Do you need Ryan to turn to the camera and say it to the audience? "Yep, folks, it's true. Every night, wearing nothing but a warm sheen of doughnut grease, Deirdre rides my bone pony." Or would you assume that he would be saying that ironically?<P>Maybe Josh could include an explicit picture of Ryan and Deeds bumping uglies in the next strip, both to convince us and also to lure in some lost and wandering Thin H Line fans.<P>They are doing it.
Any other theory is pure denial.
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Postby Sertrel on Tue May 01, 2001 9:33 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pauline Hewitt:
<B>Alternativly Josh is setting up Ceilidh to press Ryan into a date with Pheobe. Pheobe is more sympathetic this time. Ryan, Mr. Nice Guy, feels bad about two timing the Bradly sisters but feels trapped. When he goes to talk it through with DeeDee she has another agenda:</p>
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Postby Trunkster on Tue May 01, 2001 9:38 am

Hehehe...nice strip. And how "late" would she be at that point anyway? <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"> You don't have to really worry til it passes the 2 week mark I believe...<P>------------------
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Postby Q99 on Tue May 01, 2001 9:46 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bunnyThor:
<B>Maybe Josh could include an explicit picture of Ryan and Deeds bumping uglies in the next strip, both to convince us and also to lure in some lost and wandering Thin H Line fans.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Is it just me , or has the amount of fan-art , especially of that nature , declined since the 200th strip gala?<P>
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Postby Zombified on Tue May 01, 2001 9:47 am

Delurking for just a moment... Speaking of 2:136, there is also the question of Pheobe's reaction... Not only has Ryan got himself a new position, but Pheobe already knows. That's why she's acting the way she is. Just a theory.
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Postby Pauline Hewitt on Wed May 02, 2001 11:34 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sertrel:
<B> <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/eek.gif"> ... Well. For a first post, you sure know how to make an entrance.<P>You shall not be soon forgotten for that one. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>You sick, sick individual... We like that very much. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"> Welcome aboard...<P>Sertrel<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Thank you. I tweeked the dialog again so they speak more like Josh would have them. I've never tried anything like that before and I was quite pleased how it came out.<P>PJH
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Postby Stig Hemmer on Wed May 02, 2001 11:54 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bunnyThor:
<B>They are doing it.
Any other theory is pure denial.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I agree.<P>There is enough twistedness in the strip as is, no need to add more. (This is addressed to the forumists, not Josh!)<P>------------------
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