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Postby TW on Fri Apr 27, 2001 8:59 am

You know, I really tried hard not to like Pheobe. She pushes people away from her, then gets upset when they find someone else. She creates her own self-fullfiling prophecies of male abandonment, then lashes out at the gender when they come true. And after the way she treated Ryan, she deserves to get a taste of her own medicine.<P>Still...<P>After today's comic I broke down. The episode with Joe, and the upcoming encounter with R&D, are going to give her more far more grief than she deserves, and I'd have to be inhuman not to feel a pang of sympathy. Things are going to Hell in a handbasket for poor Pheobe, and she's going to be more isolated than ever before. I don't wish her plight on anyone.<P>T.W.
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Postby Strangeone on Fri Apr 27, 2001 10:15 am

You know, I really tried hard not to like Pheobe. She pushes people away from her, then gets upset when they find someone else. She creates her own self-fullfiling prophecies of male abandonment, then lashes out at the gender when they come true. And after the way she treated Ryan, she deserves to get a taste of her own medicine.<P>Still...<P>After today's comic I broke down. The episode with Joe, and the upcoming encounter with R&D, are going to give her more far more grief than she deserves, and I'd have to be inhuman not to feel a pang of sympathy. Things are going to Hell in a handbasket for poor Pheobe, and she's going to be more isolated than ever before. I don't wish her plight on anyone.<P>T.W.
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Postby MizunoL on Fri Apr 27, 2001 10:49 am

What I find so sad about Pheobe is that she did used to have a lot of friends, but then got screwed over freshman year. Seeing former friends you parted on bad terms with every day is not fun.
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Postby Asha on Sat Apr 28, 2001 1:22 am

*huggles her feebee pwushie*
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Postby The Incredible Hatboy on Sat Apr 28, 2001 8:09 am

This is the first time I can recall that I just wanted to walk up to a fictional character and hug her.<P>------------------
Fragmented sentance?<P>Ryan + Diedre=Good!
Joe + Ceilidh=Good!
Cecil + Alison=Good!
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Postby Savage_Alien on Sat Apr 28, 2001 9:21 am

I agree w/ Hatboy...
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Postby Renimar on Sat Apr 28, 2001 11:13 am

<overanalysis>
It's curious that, for the person who's desperately lonely and craving attention, doesn't just swallow her pride and stop beating around the bush. She seems to want the attention of her friends and, I dare say, their affections. (No, not necessarily <i>that</i> way. You pervs. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"> That <a href="http://www.avalonhigh.com/d/20010418.html">confrontation with Joe</a> wouldn't have happened if she didn't really give a damn what Joe thought of her. But she does. Note how when Joe accused her of dumping him for Todd, <u>she doesn't deny it!</u> <P>What does this all mean? Well, she f*cked up. She left for another guy, got burned. Yes, that sucks, but nursing her anger for over 3 years has only brought her an emotional cancer: it's eating her up from the inside. She should take the initiative. You might ask, 'Well, why doesn't Joe?' Because Joe isn't the one who's lonely. (Or the one making death threats to people who come
close.)<P>Girl, fess up to your friends. Or at least to Joe. Or to Joe and Ceilidh together. Win them over, and the rest will follow. Friends will forgive.
</overanalysis><P>On a lighter note, here's my prediction: She's going to decide to talk to Deirdre about her loneliness after all. She'll head over to Tim Horton's and find Deirdre and Ryan practicing their french. A little... tete-a-tete, if you will. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"> She'll be completely blown away and they, embarrassed, try to explain and then... Ryan(!) comes to
the rescue and makes it all better with everyone. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>------------------
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Postby Slappy the Stick on Sun Apr 29, 2001 1:26 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Renimar:
[BRyan(!) comes to the rescue and makes it all better with everyone. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif">
[/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>He's will have to be pretty slick to pull that one off, considering what a hot-bed of nerves Pheobe is and how D & P have a "dueling sister" relationship going.
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Postby Slappy the Stick on Sun Apr 29, 2001 1:28 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sterling:
<B> Perhaps. We shall wait and see. (I particularly liked that RYDRE bit! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"> )
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Postby Pimple on Sun Apr 29, 2001 3:17 am

The question of why poor Pheobe doesn't go to her ex-friends because she's lonely. <P>It seems to me that she blew off all her friends to be with Todd and then got hurt really badly. That sort of thing doesn't just leave you hurt and lonely but makes you ashamed too. She had to get over Todd and whatever he did to her without help from her 'friends' because they were still angry at her for dumping them. The result is that she ends up not only angry at Todd for whatever he did but angry at her friends for not supporting her and angry at herself for dumping them in the first place.<P>It's hard to ask for friendship back when a) you feel your friends abandoned you and b) you don't feel that you deserve it.<P>Anyway, my predictions:<P>Pheobe goes to Ryan's house to talk with him.(Because Ryan wasn't directly involved in what happened and Ceilidh is too close to Joe.)
Ryan's mum tells her he's gone to Tim Hortons.
She visits Tim Hortons and sees Ryan and Deirdre kiss and make up after having a row about the 'just a friend' thing.
She runs off without being noticed by either Ryan or Deirdre.
She goes towards Ceilidh's house but in her emotional state picks the wrong one and ends up at her neihbours.
Joe answers the door.
On seeing him she breaks down into tears and hugs him for support.
Enter Ceilidh.<P>Twisty enough? <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>Pimple.
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Postby Sterling on Sun Apr 29, 2001 4:30 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pimple:
<B>Twisty enough? <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif">
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Perhaps. We shall wait and see. (I particularly liked that RYDRE bit! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"> )<P><P>------------------
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Postby Dynonychus on Sun Apr 29, 2001 7:12 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pimple:
<B>The question of why poor Pheobe doesn't go to her ex-friends because she's lonely.
~snip~
It's hard to ask for friendship back when a) you feel your friends abandoned you and b) you don't feel that you deserve it.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I think you hit the mark right there, which is why being friends with Ceilidh meant so much... which could probably be one of the reasons why she confronted Joe in the hallway. She doesn't want to see Ceilidh hurt, too.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>Anyway, my predictions:<P>Pheobe goes to Ryan's house to talk with him.(Because Ryan wasn't directly involved in what happened and Ceilidh is too close to Joe.)
Ryan's mum tells her he's gone to Tim Hortons.
She visits Tim Hortons and sees Ryan and Deirdre kiss and make up after having a row about the 'just a friend' thing.
She runs off without being noticed by either Ryan or Deirdre.
She goes towards Ceilidh's house but in her emotional state picks the wrong one and ends up at her neihbours.
Joe answers the door.
On seeing him she breaks down into tears and hugs him for support.
Enter Ceilidh.<P>Twisty enough? <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif">
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Quite! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"> But a bit far-fetched in places.
One thing's certain... all the paths seem moving to converge...<P>Hmmm... prom night should be coming up soon, right? Oh, what a fanfic THAT would make, considering all the threads hanging loose now <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"><P>------------------
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Postby Renimar on Sun Apr 29, 2001 11:54 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dynonychus:
<B>Hmmm... prom night should be coming up soon, right? Oh, what a fanfic THAT would make, considering all the threads hanging loose now <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif">
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Heh. Except they're not graduating for another year. (Assuming that the Avalon cast is university-bound, and thus going to do their OACs.) I figure Ryan, at least, would be. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>I always thought it was stupid for my high-school to have graduation at grade 12 if you were coming back for OACs. I mean... there's no sense of "closure" in: Graduation -> Prom -> Hot night with date at hotel room (or not) -> Back at same school in September.<P>Any other Ontarians go through the same?<P>------------------
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Postby Sterling on Mon Apr 30, 2001 2:27 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rchanen:
<B>All I want to say is. go ryan go. Go ryan go. Be the most likable guy in the series woo!
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>And pursuing things single-mindedly seems to be an attribute of Ryan's. Witness his:<P>(1) Pursuit of Phoebe for about a year and a half, despite her repeated emphatic statements of disintrest.<P>(2) Porting Unreal Tournament to the Palm Pilot.<P>(3) Writing RyanOS for fun.<P>Now, if only he'll get his wits together and devote all that energy towards Deirdre.... <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif">
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Postby Pimple on Mon Apr 30, 2001 5:48 am

Thanks. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>Rydre?<P>Is that some mythical two headed monster that stalks the streets of Avalon? <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>Pimple.
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Postby Jen Aside on Mon Apr 30, 2001 6:03 am

No moreso than Damosh <IMG SRC="http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/kao/chika/chirolp_baku2.gif">
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Postby Kaoru on Mon Apr 30, 2001 8:20 am

<FONT SIZE="4">BOOK OF AVALONIAN MYTHOLOGY
CHAPTER 7
MYTHOLOGICAL CREATURES</FONT><P><B>Rydre and Damosh</B>: Whist Rydre is both the lord and lady of Avalon's days, using its annoying or super-cute (depending on who you are) hugging and kissing to attack unsuspecting citizens; the truly frightening Damosh stalks Avalon's nights, using its super-acadian pheromones to lure in prey, then sucks the twistiness out until they are straight as a board.<P>For my feelings on this thread's topic: See <A HREF="http://dreamsreflections.keenspace.com/images/sadphoebe2.jpg" TARGET=_blank>this</A> link.<p>[This message has been edited by Kaoru (edited 04-30-2001).]
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Postby rchanen on Mon Apr 30, 2001 8:22 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sterling:
<B>
Now, if only he'll get his wits together and devote all that energy towards Deirdre.... <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"><P>
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Postby Jen Aside on Mon Apr 30, 2001 9:35 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kaoru:
<B><FONT SIZE="4">BOOK OF AVALONIAN MYTHOLOGY
CHAPTER 7
MYTHOLOGICAL CREATURES</FONT><P>Rydre and Damosh</B>: Whist Rydre is both the lord and lady of Avalon's days, using its annoying or super-cute (depending on who you are) hugging and kissing to attack unsuspecting citizens; the truly frightening Damosh stalks Avalon's nights, using its super-acadian pheromones to lure in prey, then sucks the twistiness out until they are straight as a board.<P>For my feelings on this thread's topic: See <A HREF="http://dreamsreflections.keenspace.com/images/sadphoebe2.jpg" TARGET=_blank>this</A> link.<P>[This message has been edited by Kaoru (edited 04-30-2001).]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>
You fool!<P>...<P>...<P>...<P>
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Postby Renimar on Mon Apr 30, 2001 10:36 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Slappy the Stick:
<B> He's (Ryan) will have to be pretty slick to pull that one off, considering what a hot-bed of nerves Pheobe is and how D & P have a "dueling sister" relationship going.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yes he would. But... consider the fact that: 1) I just said that off the top of my head; 2) It's not an expected outcome from that particular character, so using Twistiness Logic, it's entirely possible. See? <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>------------------
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Postby rchanen on Mon Apr 30, 2001 11:45 am

All I want to say is. go ryan go. Go ryan go. Be the most likable guy in the series woo!
I like joe, but he needs to get a clue or four. He's just to confused. What he needs to do is sit down, decide what he wants and pursue it singly mindedly.<P>------------------
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