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Postby Carson on Tue Apr 17, 2001 2:45 am

Or Phoebe just likes playing with everyone's mind. Josh did say that Phoebe would be his favorite character eventually, and I can see a Phoebe that likes creating twistiness as a favorite of Josh's.
In todays comic it seems she did just say that to get Joe thinking, and from a previous comic it appears she might have some knowledge that there's something between Ryan and Deirdre.<P>I think Phoebe just likes messing with everyone's minds.
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Postby Symok on Tue Apr 17, 2001 3:04 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pimple:
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I don't think Joe is screwed up just confused. If I was in his position I'd be flippin' confused too.
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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Me too...<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pimple:
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It could be that Todd hurt her because he wasn't interested in a serious relationship and she was. The aftermath of that left her with some trust problems but she would still have Joe's declaration of affection to help her feel like she wasn't just someone who was to be used and discarded.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>You know, I think you're the first person to suggest that. That's quite possible....
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Postby Pimple on Tue Apr 17, 2001 3:15 am

Awww, poor Pheobe!<P>Make things right Joe, make things right.<P>Pimple.
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Postby Eyeless Blond on Tue Apr 17, 2001 3:28 am

Yeesh, Joe's the pimp, ain't he? I'm having flashbacks of Tenchi here. He's got most of the young female cast going after him.<P>Boy, I can't wait to see how Joe screws this up <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif">
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Postby Pimple on Tue Apr 17, 2001 3:37 am

I really hope he doesn't screw it up. I'd like to see Joe and Pheobe become friends again and Pheobe is the perfect person for Joe to talk to about the problems he has with Ceilidh and Helene.<P>Pheobe's situation now is not unlike that of Joe in grade 9.<P>Joe looses his best friend(Alan) to someone who he has a romantic interest in(Helene)
Pheobe looses her best friend(Ceilidh) to someone who has expressed a romantic interest in her(Joe)<P>Joe looses someone he has a romantic interest in(Pheobe) to someone else(Todd).
Pheobe looses someone that expressed a romantic interest in her(Ryan) to someone else(Deirdre)<P>Now all that is left is for Pheobe to push her sister down the stairs <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>Pimple.<P><p>[This message has been edited by Pimple (edited 04-17-2001).]
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Postby Vae on Tue Apr 17, 2001 3:41 am

If Joe told Phoebe he cared for her back in grade 9, and they're in what, grade 12 now, I don't see how Phoebe can say "I wonder if you ever cared for me like you said you did."<P>I mean, that's quite a bit of time right there. And all this time she's been pushing away all the guys. Don't know why she'd expect Joe and Ryan to both continue pining after her.<P>Maybe I'm callous, but that's kind of selfish (or just very a self-involved view) in my mind.
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Postby Sterling on Tue Apr 17, 2001 4:20 am

I personally think Phoebe and Joe don't have that many parallels. Phoebe knew very well who and what she wanted, and got hurt really, really badly. Joe, OTOH, has no idea what he wants - and he's still getting glomped from all sides.<P>Besides, we don't know what circumstances Joe revealed his affections for Pheobe under. It could have been after Todd dumped her, when she needed Joe as a friend and he instead tried to replace her boyfriend, or it could have been (from Phoebe's view) a reaction to Helene hooking up with Alan....<P>There are just two things we know for sure:
(1) Ceilidh is seriously short on knowledge.
(2) Joseph Page is one screwed-up boy.<P>------------------
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Postby Pimple on Tue Apr 17, 2001 4:51 am

We don't actually know what Pheobe wanted back then. Joe's attentions could have been just like Ceilidh's for Joe now, she wanted to just be friends but Joe wanted something more.<P>All we do know for sure is that she went out with Todd and he hurt her.<P><I>(1) Ceilidh is seriously short on knowledge.</I><P>Agreed.

<I>(2) Joseph Page is one screwed-up boy.</I><P>I don't think Joe is screwed up just confused. If I was in his position I'd be flippin' confused too.<P>Pimple.<p>[This message has been edited by Pimple (edited 04-17-2001).]
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Postby Wapiko on Tue Apr 17, 2001 4:57 am

I have to admit, that when I saw today's strips, the first thing that came into my mind was "it has come full circle".<P>I seriously hope that Joe does talk to Phoebe and they become friends again. Even if just for Ceilidh's sake.<P>And I'm very glad that Phoebe has come out of her shell of hurt and has started thinking beyond "I hate all the boys in this town."<P>Wapiko-chan<P>------------------
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Postby Pimple on Tue Apr 17, 2001 5:00 am

<i>I seriously hope that Joe does talk to Phoebe and they become friends again. Even if just for Ceilidh's sake.</i><P>Yeah, my thoughts exactly.<P>Pimple.
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Postby PercentMan on Tue Apr 17, 2001 5:05 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wapiko:
<B>I have to admit, that when I saw today's strips, the first thing that came into my mind was "it has come full circle".</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>"When I left you I was but the learner; now I am the master."<P>And don't get me wrong, I'm glad this story has <I>finally</I> swung back around to Phoebe and what-the-heck is wrong with her. But isn't that a fairly-selfish way for her to phrase her question? If a female, even a female I cared for, who I knew needed to talk to someone, came up to me and asked me that, I'd be thrown off for a second. "<I>Excuse</I> me?"
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Postby Sterling on Tue Apr 17, 2001 6:01 am

Hmm... More wild guessing here, but it might be possible that Phoebe can't see past her own hurt over whatever happened. Maybe she was so nice to Ceilidh because she thought she might finally have someone who didn't know who she could be friends with without hurting more.<P>Then the twistiness started, the Bradley household got screwed up agian, and Feebs started feeling generally angry and psycho - like Ryan initially described her.<P>------------------
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Postby Pimple on Tue Apr 17, 2001 6:14 am

<i>But isn't that a fairly-selfish way for her to phrase her question?</i><P>It could be that Todd hurt her because he wasn't interested in a serious relationship and she was. The aftermath of that left her with some trust problems but she would still have Joe's declaration of affection to help her feel like she wasn't just someone who was to be used and discarded.<P>Now Joe is going out with Ceilidh and seeming to be chasing after Helene. It could seem to her that the last bit of her self-esteem from those days is being ripped from her and together with the Ryan/Deirdre thing.<P>(All this is total speculation of course)<P>I think I would take it not as an indication of selfishness but an expression of her pain.<P>Pimple.
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Postby Pimple on Wed Apr 18, 2001 3:14 am

<i>I mean, that's quite a bit of time right there.</i><P>Well Pheobe's getting over some major hurt inflicted on her by Todd. And she lost Joe and her big sister around the same time.<P><i>And all this time she's been pushing away all the guys. Don't know why she'd expect Joe and Ryan to both continue pining after her.</i><P>I don't think she expects them to continue pine over her. I don't think she ever had any romantic interest in Joe but when she sees Joe dating Ceilidh and chasing Helene at the same time she sees it just like it was back then. It's only natural for her to think that Joe was lying to her back then because of what she sees him doing to Ceilidh.<P>Pimple.
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