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by **two** on Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:12 am

...here's a nice summarization of the events.

http://snipurl.com/fnek

by **Phalanx** on Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:59 am

Nothing personal to the guy who made it, but that really was in poor taste.

They didn't even try very hard. I mean... photo backgrounds and cut-and-paste? Yikes. Lazy. And I didn't even find it funny. It just smacked of another person trying to jump on the great McCloud/PA/Kurtz/Micropayments bandwagon.

by **The Layfield** on Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:10 am

Yeah, that wasn't very funny at all. Its sad how some people think their lame attempts at jokes are funny. Especially since that topic is getting old anyway.

by **Jamie** on Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:25 am

Here's a mantra to dispell the drama.

Do whatever the hell you want to do, and leave everybody else the hell alone!

Jamie

by **Sam** on Sat Jun 18, 2005 5:29 am

Cool, it managed to be both unfunny and totally wrong about every person and organization represented within, while just trying to make shallow jabs at them.

Ha ha, oh shit! No wonder. It's by Andrea Previtera in one of his better moods.

by J. on Sat Jun 18, 2005 6:28 am

The Penny Arcade guys are wearing the wrong shirts.

by **Syke** on Sat Jun 18, 2005 7:46 am

Wow .. that was pretty stupid.

by **Tangent** on Sat Jun 18, 2005 8:26 am

Well. Once again I am glad that (outside of commenting on the Webcomic Tabloid piece) I've not reported on this over at Tangents. Damn what a quagmire...

Oh well. At least the PA chaps have moved on. I mean, I might think they're jerks and the like, but it was pretty decent of them to go to a school and teach kids how to draw.

by **Eight** on Sun Jun 19, 2005 1:00 am

what, you didn't realize two's comic was just an over the top parody of everything? can't anyone not take blatant character assassination seriously?

anyway. in relevancy to the actual topic, both parties have come up with a successful means of income to their respective styles and methods or whatever. mccloud has his micropayments, good for him. they may work for him but they didn't work for rosenberg. big deal. goats lives on merch. kurtz got big and has remained independant, and since he's big he can preach his methods, though they probably won't work for anyone else.

keenspot has annoying ads but we dumb artists flying his banner get 50% of the earnings from our sites without having to do anything. now that's a big deal for a guy like me, unemployed living in a basement hoping to at least throw something tangible and unique into the fishing pool in hopes that enough people will nibble.

until I am big and as elite as mccloud and kurtz, if at all possible.

anyway the moral of the story is, take everything with a grain of salt, and if you don't die, then just don't listen to anyone and do your own thing.

(two's thing being prodding the cattle with an oversized novelty tazer and then opening the gates and scampering away)
(my thing, telling everyone to stfu because it doesn't really matter and you're occupying way too much of your own time being concerned about everyone else's imperfections.. and okay I like tazering livestock too)
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by **Sam** on Sun Jun 19, 2005 6:16 am

Eight wrote:what, you didn't realize two's comic was just an over the top parody of everything? can't anyone not take blatant character assassination seriously?

Well, it helps if it's funny.

by **Syke** on Sun Jun 19, 2005 7:12 am

It also helps if it isn't slopped together.

I didn't bother past the second page.

by **BasTage** on Sun Jun 19, 2005 11:45 am

making fun of web cartoonists is mean, and i for one do not support it.

i don't really remember the micropayments or other payments method being the heart of the drama in the first place though. tycho belittled cat garza and the comic documentary in his post and comic... and then people reacted and counterreacted from there. but also i'm not a stickler for facts. parts of the comic had some humor and potential but getting the pa guys shirts mixed up does lose you some points there too.

-on a side note, the argument of payment methods is a ridiculous one anyway. payment method has nothing to do with it. it has to do with popularity, if you have a lot of fans, then you can pick and choose how you want the money to come in. if you don't, you're not going to make any money anyway.

by **Phalanx** on Sun Jun 19, 2005 12:39 pm

Naturally I don't think any of us took it seriously. I just thought it was a very poor attempt at a parody that didn't warrant taking seriously.

What really didn't impress me was what looked like trying to jump on the bandwagon after it had crashed, had been chopped up to make firewood, which was then set alight with the power of Flame War

by **Caravaggio** on Sun Jun 19, 2005 3:01 pm

YEAH! I think squidi should just deal with the people he has a problem with and leave Gabe and...

Hmmmm.

Too late then?

by **two** on Mon Jun 20, 2005 12:26 am

First: All this angst. All that gnarling and grinding teeth. My God, it's like facing a crowd of old wrinkled hermits who can't just dislike something, they have to spit out poison on it, burn it, howl their hatred to the sky. A simple "I don't like it" was enough, don't you think?

Second: You take everything very seriously. I mean very very fucking seriously. Things have changed a lot from the "golden age" of webcomics. Back in 1998-2000, nothing was taken even barely seriously, because - you know - we're talking of comics if you forgot it.

Third: I am not jumping on any bandwagon. Since making a strip or two now and then is still just a pastime for me - since I don't have tip jars, or merchandise, or banners, or whatever - and I don't fucking care about readership - I am not interested in surfing any mediatic wave just to get some attention. I use to think straight: "Oh, here something funny, another bit of webcomic drama! Let's make a comic about it". Was it old? I didn't know, I didn't care. WW II is rather old but they still make movies about it.

Fourth: It's curious how other communities, (people from Goats, PVP (!!) etc.) commented it in a positive or neutral way and generally took it with a lighter spirit. This should give you a picture of the gloomy atmosphere Keenspot felt into.

Ok, that's all. And the morale is: take - it - easy

by **Sam** on Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:12 am

two wrote:My God, it's like facing a crowd of old wrinkled hermits who can't just dislike something, they have to spit out poison on it, burn it, howl their hatred to the sky. ... You take everything very seriously. I mean very very fucking seriously.

By comparing it with the precedent set by your *very own* Teh Webcomic Manifesto?

The comic was heavy-handed, and it was mean. Go ahead and write as many mean comics as you want. Hell, disparage people's character to your heart's content. But don't be so clueless as to why people might just respond negatively to it.

by **two** on Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:27 am

Marik, I am most pleased by your detailed knowledge of my life and deeds. You're officially my biographer. Keep being that accurate and you'll never miss a loaf of bread and a cozy blanket for the night.

by **TdotOdot2k** on Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:32 am

two wrote:Marik, I am most pleased by your detailed knowledge of my life and deeds. You're officially my biographer. Keep being that accurate and you'll never miss a loaf of bread and a cozy blanket for the night.

Yeah, it's a pretty negative attitude around these parts in the ol' Keenspot Central forum....but snarkyness isn't gonna help none

by **Gav** on Tue Jun 21, 2005 10:34 pm

I wasn't in it, so I got bored.

by **Pupkin** on Wed Jun 22, 2005 12:07 am

Gav wrote:I wasn't in it, so I got bored.

Same here.

by **two** on Wed Jun 22, 2005 12:27 am

Gav wrote:I wasn't in it, so I got bored.

Probably because you're one of the few silent cartoonists, just writing down their strips without ever whining about this and that. Don't tell anyone else but... it's good!

by **Gav** on Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:58 am

two wrote:Probably because you're one of the few silent cartoonists, just writing down their strips without ever whining about this and that. Don't tell anyone else but... it's good!

Is anyone actually aware that there's more than one equal owner of Keenspot?

I mean, I'm just as evil as anyone, right? People have been telling me all last week that I am!

Grr!

GRRR!

by **Sam** on Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:40 am

TdotOdot2k wrote:
two wrote:Marik, I am most pleased by your detailed knowledge of my life and deeds. You're officially my biographer. Keep being that accurate and you'll never miss a loaf of bread and a cozy blanket for the night.

Yeah, it's a pretty negative attitude around these parts in the ol' Keenspot Central forum....but snarkyness isn't gonna help none

I suppose it would be better of me not to come off as having such a negative attitude. Nobody needs it, and I'm certainly not God's Gift to Webcomic Forums in the first place; best not to seem like I think I am.

by **jtdarlington** on Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:03 am

Gav wrote:I mean, I'm just as evil as anyone, right? People have been telling me all last week that I am!

Grr!

GRRR!

Darren Bleuel scares me.

by **Maritza Campos** on Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:31 pm

People with blue hair are evil. Everybody knows so.

But insidiously evil. They'll make you think they're good. Then BAM!

Maritza
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