JULY THEME: Homeless (Any ideas out there)

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Postby Greg on Tue Jun 05, 2001 3:12 am

Hi there!<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Josh the Aspie:
<B>Okay, basicaly I am taking it upon myself to get the "Group of the Month" idea rolling, and if the council of nights wants to strike me down for usurping the power of get up and go... so be it (though I soooooo doubt that will happen).
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Speaking on behalf of the knights, no, it won't happen. Even if striking people down was our style, we actively encourage people to promote chivalry and organise group activities.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>
Any other ideas out there? Shout em out!</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Talk to your local supermarket about having a "food donation bin" located near the checkout. Customers could be encouraged to purchase something extra, such as a tin of soup or a packet of biscuits, and place it in the bin (which would be regularly collected by a local homeless shelter).<P>
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Postby Josh the Aspie on Tue Jun 05, 2001 5:03 am

I think it be a great idea Rei.<P>Okay, basicaly I am taking it upon myself to get the "Group of the Month" idea rolling, and if the council of nights wants to strike me down for usurping the power of get up and go... so be it (though I soooooo doubt that will happen).<P><hr>
<hr><P>The theme for july is: Homeless<P>Ideas for homeless month so far are:<P><hr> <P>A food/Clothing drive for thoose less fortunate than we. - By Rie<P>Tack on by Josh: If the food/clothin bank asks for the name of the donating orginization/person, see if you can get them to take "The Nights of Jubal" or "The Knights Ivbalis" and then explain to them who the knights are if they ask. Also, I've heard that alot of these banks will give out a reiciet. So perhaps we can ask for them, simply so that we can get a total on how much the knights as a whole have donated.<P><hr><P>Volunteer to help out at a local homeless shelter. While alot of them utalize work from the homless comunity for cleaning and such, there's usualy room for volunteers to give a hand as well.<P><hr><P>Collect donations at your local church/coven/mask/temple/institution of higher learning. Give the donations to the homeless.<P><hr><P>If you own a constuction company/ect that's looking to hire, and see a man with a sign saying "Will work for food", then offer him a job paying food, clothing, and a bath; and if he does well and turns out to be sober... maybe consider hiering him. I'm not sure how practical that would be though.<P><hr>
<hr><P>Any other ideas out there? Shout em out!
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Postby Lothar Sauvage on Tue Jun 05, 2001 5:03 am

Clothing drives are great! The daily life of the homeless is rough in many ways. When you wear the same clothes for weeks because that's all you have, they tend to fall apart. When you look like a bum, people treat you like a bum. New clothes are always in demand and make a real difference to those that are trying to pull themselves up. <P>Regarding the food drives though, it may be good to ask such organizations to give you a christmas list. You see, one thing we all take for granted is that the homeless are hungry. This is not necessarily the case. In a place like Nashville there is an excellent support structure to give the disadvantaged 3 square meals a day and other needed things.<P>One things the homeless folks and the support organizations around here needed most were toiletries! Small zip-loc bags with trial sizes of shampoo and soap check hotels for their excesses) and a razor (clear the sharp objects with the intended recipient organization). For women add a tampon. Make a hundred of these care packs and drop 'em off at the Union mission or simular organization in your town.<P>If you are in a position to do it, to really help, go to a mission or other simular organization and ask if any of the "regulars" help out around the place. These people are the ones that have the attitude to be a valuable employee and a hard worker. They just need the kind of break you could give them. There will be transportation and clothing issues, but those are insignificant compared to finding a valuable employee, and the wonderful feeling of making a difference.<P>Recap: What do the homeless need? A break. Just a little one to get a fingerhold before their hope and drive gives out. They can get this directly from us in the form of aid, money, job, or a place to stay, or indirectly in the form of clothes, and toiletries to look less like a bum and more like a person who needs and wants a hand.<P>In the event that the infastructure to care for these folks doesn't exist in your area, step up to the plate and make a difference.<P>Lothar Sauvage, CI
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Postby Rei on Tue Jun 05, 2001 6:03 am

another idea that may be useful pursuing is looking to see if there is a clothing bank nearabouts<P>we have one here...basically, people donate old suits or other 'formal' clothes and the clothesbank has showers, etc...a person who has a job interview, but has nothing suitably 'nice' to wear can come to the bank, clean up and borrow suitable clothes to make a good impression on the prospective employer. They ALWAYS need stuff.<P>what else can we come up with and do?
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Postby Manhattan on Wed Jun 27, 2001 2:32 am

believe it or not, the food banks often need money. they get a lot of offers but they have to go get the stuff themselves and they need to fund and fuel their vehicles. our local food bank is constantly turning down offers from farmers who are in turn too busy to drive. ask what they need. if you have time and a vehicle, you might find that driving is the biggest donation you can make.<P>in terms of donating clothing, ask your mom or dad (or yourself if you're all grown up and working) for any extra "good" clothing they may have grown out of or that has gone out of fashion. "suit" banks have cropped up in our town at the employment center where people donate good clothes so that newly trained but poor people can make a great impression at interviews and dress well for their first weeks of work.<P>look out for winter coat drives and blanket drives that help the homeless. if you knit or know someone who does, there is a program (through Patons?) at some craft stores where if you buy the yarn, they give you the pattern and then reimburse you for the yarn when you bring in the item. my sister gives baby sweaters, hats and mitts to the soup kitchen so that if someone comes in with an improperly clothed child, they can be given warm clothing on the spot.<P>there are many great programs in place already and i think that rather than starting a new one, it's a good idea to support someone who has a good infrastructure already so look around. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"> there is probably a program in place in your town that would love to have your help.<P>it's a hot summer, so check and see if your area has a place where the homeless can get clean water to drink. i was trying to think of good summer things to do (the push is usually in winter) and that's probably a good one.<P>~mattie<P>ps ~ may favourite cool program of late was a veterinarian's group that gave free care and food to companion animals of the homeless. i thought that was a really insightful and compassionate program.<p>[This message has been edited by Manhattan (edited 06-27-2001).]
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Postby Josh the Aspie on Wed Jun 27, 2001 9:13 am

Okay, good. that's good. Alot of my old dress cloths don't fit me any more. A great place for them to go.<P>Anyone else with an idea? Come on people. Think!
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Postby Josh the Aspie on Thu Jun 28, 2001 2:58 am

Of course. But usualy the way to get good amounts of donations to thoose organizations with support structures is with drives. You can do it on your own too and it -helps-, but the more, usualy, the better.
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Postby Josh the Aspie on Tue Jul 03, 2001 8:16 am

Another thing that's always usefull to donate, for the sake of everyone, but -especialy- for the poor and homeless, is books. Think about it. Reading elivates the mind, makes a person more intelegent, and in some cases enjenders hope that things can get better. It's also a source of great entertaiment. And if you donate the books to a library, anyone can read them for free. Even someone from a forign country can reed them for free (providing they can read the language) as long as they stay inside the library walls. No card nessisary (at least that's how it works around here). As a psudo quote from the hobbit... <i>Song and poetry are the meat and wine of the soul, without them there would be no life, for existance would have no pourpose.</i> I'd say that literature fits into that catigory, at least as bread, cheese and water.<P>Pluss, if you buy your books, you probably have a cache of old books somehwere that you haven't read in years. Unless their books your saving for your children... and maybe even then... it might be good to give them to a place where they will be used.
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Postby Jenavia Darkstar on Wed Jul 04, 2001 10:00 am

The Salvation army is always a good place to start.And up here in michigan we have habitate for humanities.You help them build homes for pepole who can't aford them.Reach work camp I don't rember how to get a hold of them I'll look into it.They go to poorer areas and help rebuild the homes that are there for pepole who can not aford the repairs.
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Postby Deathscythe on Sun Jul 15, 2001 8:49 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Josh the Aspie:
<B>Another thing that's always usefull to donate, for the sake of everyone, but -especialy- for the poor and homeless, is books. Think about it. Reading elivates the mind, makes a person more intelegent, and in some cases enjenders hope that things can get better. It's also a source of great entertaiment. And if you donate the books to a library, anyone can read them for free. Even someone from a forign country can reed them for free (providing they can read the language) as long as they stay inside the library walls. No card nessisary (at least that's how it works around here). As a psudo quote from the hobbit... <I>Song and poetry are the meat and wine of the soul, without them there would be no life, for existance would have no pourpose.</I> I'd say that literature fits into that catigory, at least as bread, cheese and water.<P>Pluss, if you buy your books, you probably have a cache of old books somehwere that you haven't read in years. Unless their books your saving for your children... and maybe even then... it might be good to give them to a place where they will be used.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Not to be a pecimist, or a stereotype, but from what I've encountered, most of the homeless population who've been homeless all their lives, can't read too well. It is a good thought, and those who can read well, I'm sure would appreciate the thought.<P>Clothing and food seem to be the best ideas. If you have the means to do so, providing a roof over their heads would be welcome. But, alas, I'm sure none here have the credit limit required to do so.
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Postby Zolgar on Mon Jul 16, 2001 1:03 am

I'm gonna throw my 2 cents worth in here:<P>Most of the homeless you see sitting on the medians with a sign saying 'Will work for food' (though the latest in the trend here in AZ is either 'Why lie? I need a beer.' or 'I need 17 cents.') they don't want to work, or want food at all, they want another 12 pack of beer. And don't say I'm generalizing, because I have seen these same homeless that are sitting on the streetcorner begging, walk out of the local liquer store, and what are they carrying? Bags of grocheries? No, a 12 pack of beer.<P>If you truely want to help the homeless that want help, help the organizations that do it, don't just go handing out freebies to those who are too lazy to work and want a beer.<P>Or maybe I just have a bad atitude, but ya'll can take my thoughts any way ya wan't.. Just dun' flame me over 'em (If ya do, you'll get a taste of mr. ranty Zolgar who never lets an argument drop..)
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Postby Deathscythe on Mon Jul 16, 2001 9:42 am

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Postby Jim Brockman on Mon Jul 16, 2001 10:31 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Deathscythe:
<B> Not to be a pecimist, or a stereotype, but from what I've encountered, most of the homeless population who've been homeless all their lives, can't read too well. It is a good thought, and those who can read well, I'm sure would appreciate the thought.<P>Clothing and food seem to be the best ideas. If you have the means to do so, providing a roof over their heads would be welcome. But, alas, I'm sure none here have the credit limit required to do so.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>
Look, guys I have been there. I lived in a homeless shelter for about 5 months and spent another year traveling about looking for and work.
Most of the homeless I met (from 5 different states) were literate, hungry and cold.
Like me most had several thing in their life go wrong at the same time and found themselves on the street. For some it was mainly a loss of a job, or a "nervous breakdown", or alcohol, or a spouce leaving, their car died or a thousand other things, but for most it was a combination of things.<P>What help me the most was a place to stay and get cleaned up until I could land a job, and keep it long enough to save for a deposit on a place of my own.<P>Individually non-of us (Unless we have someone who independantly weathy hiding in our midsts) have the finances to help.
As a group we can start drives for food, clothing, etc.
However, there are other organizations with more experience doing that.<P>What shelters need most is your time. Volunteer at a shelter. They need cooks, people to clean, sort through the donations, answer the door, and hundreds of other tasks which if they paid someone to do would take away from their capability to help.
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