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by **BiShouNenKaMi** on Mon Feb 25, 2002 2:06 am

I'll say this...I have no idea WTF this whole thing is about, since I really didn't pay attention. Something about blah and the whatnow... but that test... alot of things in it pissed me off. But...Economic Left/Right: -4.38
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -2.62Anywho... yes, I'm acting like a n00b and not giving a shit about the current going ons as I post this... I'm lazy and a lil miffed at that test.-BiShouNenKaMi
Sonuva... there's STILL hair there?!?

by **markt18** on Mon Feb 25, 2002 2:17 am

Yeah Deuce, I'm fully aware of Hitler's Keynesian tendencies. It's just that my then high school social studies teacher classified fascism on the far political right rather than making any mention of his economic alignment (though he did mention that fascism, Nazism in particular, relied upon an "interventionist market economy"). As for that Nazi crack Centurion, I was just kidding. Though I'm undoubtedly certain you've never harbored any tendencies toward anti-Semitism, truth be told, I'm not all that fond of mild conservatism. I find it particularly amazing how
conservatives can claim to support a smaller federal government by undermining welfare and social security programs, and yet maintain an unfettered confidence in that same institution to properly administer justice through the death penalty, increased drug legislation, increasing the numbers of police and prisons by significant amounts, and providing billions of dollars per year to bail out troubled mega-corporations. Not to mention all the Christian-oriented legislation and implications many of them put forward; Dubya's "Jesus Day" comes to mind. This is not my idea of a minimalist state.

by **Centurion** on Mon Feb 25, 2002 7:50 am

Well, Markt18, I said I was right-wing, I never said I was a fan of the Republican-party.And the American Libertarian party, frequently the unholy allies of the Republicans, are a tad too loony for my tastes.::Sigh::
Where am I to go for adequate political representation of my views.::Fires up Godsmack's "I stand alone"::

by **markt18** on Mon Feb 25, 2002 9:06 am

Err, I dunno.. describe them, maybe?And I agree about the lunacy of the libertarian party. Did you know that their party platform implies the legalization of child prostitution and slavery, amongst other things?

by **Pollo Loco** on Mon Feb 25, 2002 10:47 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by matus:
 Been reading about those studies that say IQ is genetic?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Nope, I've been reading <A HREF="http://www.darwinawards.com" TARGET=_blank>these studies</A> which seem to say that IQ, or to be more specific, low IQ, is NOT genetic.

by **Muad_Dib** on Mon Feb 25, 2002 11:22 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markt18:
Err, I dunno.. describe them, maybe?And I agree about the lunacy of the libertarian party. Did you know that their party platform implies the legalization of child prostitution and slavery, amongst other things?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>There is absolutely no fucking way in a million years any Libertarian would ever support anything like that. Those both go against the very tenants of Libertarians, that (very condensed) so long as you do not infringe on the rights of others, you are free to do what you want.You either don't know a damned thing about Libertarians or are just a prick who thought he could make some stupid, disgusting comment and no one would notice.Now you either post a source for that garbage, and then explain why you did not immediately go to the Libertarian party web page <A HREF="http://www.lp.org" TARGET=_blank>www.lp.org</A> to check it, and apologize for ever posting such a lie.Or just get the hell out.

by **Centurion** on Mon Feb 25, 2002 11:41 am

I know you weren't refering to me with that comment, muab, but non-the-less, let me quality my "loony" quip. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> (we support) a foreign policy of non-intervention, peace, and free trade<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I have nothing against freetrade, but I disagree with non-intervention and peace. Sometimes you just gotta bomb the living crap outta someone who threatens American security. (Yeah, I'm an asshole American, bite me) <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> (We support) individual liberty and personal responsibility, a free-market economy of abundance and prosperity
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> have nothing against that, except I do belive that government should provide to a CERTAIN extent limited goods like education and health care. The freemarket will not produce enough of these goods on its own. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The Libertarian Party is committed to America's heritage of freedom.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Got nothing against that. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The Libertarian Party is for all who don't want to push other people around and don't want to be pushed around themselves. Live and let live is the Libertarian way.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> And to what extent do you allow that? Its a vague post? Do you allow EVERYTHING that does not harm those not directly involved? I know you're against anything that harms others, but to what extent do we allow self-degredation? <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The Libertarian way is a logically consistent approach to politics based on the moral principle of self-ownership. Each individual has the right to control his or her own body, action, speech, and property. Government's only role is to help individuals defend themselves from force and fraud.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Morality is all nice and good; its makes a good breakfast but a poor supper. Starting with and Ideal is good, ending with legislation based around one single Ideal enforced by law is usually not good. (I'd think of a example, but I'm too damn tired) One must realize that comprimise and pragmatism are the life blood of politics, and until the Lib party recognizes that, its will remain only the third largest party. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Libertarians believe that being free and independent is a great way to live. We want a system which encourages all people to choose what they want from life; that lets them live, love, work, play, and dream their own way. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>But isn't there a fair amount of government intervention needed to create the social programs nessasary to create such a system?In short, I take back my "loony" quip. I agree with the libertarian party on about 50% of its ideals.

by **Pyromancer** on Mon Feb 25, 2002 12:11 pm

It shows me as being slightly to the left economically, and strongly libertarian, like most of the other people on this board.I am more prone to ranting on social issues than economic ones, and I certainly don't think communism is a good idea, so that makes a certain ammount of sense.I suppose you could call me an Objectivist who has gained, the hard way, a rudimentary knowledge of corporate fallibility.P-M"First decree... is to legalize marijuana! The tyranny and the bullshit has gone on too long. You old fucking trives, who blocked its legalization... YOU'RE BANISHED FROM THE LAND!"
-Tenacious D[This message has been edited by Pyromancer (edited 02-25-2002).]

by **The Sinister Chris** on Mon Feb 25, 2002 12:43 pm

/Chris clicks on the link to the test and looks at the first question*His head explodes*I never was good with politics.I don't follow any specific political type, but if I were to judge myself without taking the test I'd say I was.../Chris' head explodes againWell shit,
The Sinister ChrisPS: Which would you give someone who wants to be "Ruler of all humans!"?

by **cyb** on Mon Feb 25, 2002 12:58 pm

Not only it's not genetic.
It can chage by 25% throughout your life.and there are shitloads of diffrents types of inteligence.------------------
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Below another edit tag telling the world I fucked up again!

by **Calaeli** on Tue Feb 26, 2002 2:08 am

Economic Left/Right: -1.50
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -6.15Beyond some of the massivly weighted questions it was fun, I'm totally a Libertarian and the eco score is more because of lack of knowledge, money has never been an issue for me (I've never lack for anything really) so I don't know anything about it that way and I realise all the B.S. my parents feed me is is biased as all hell.Over all I think that while most of the posters here are a little left of center and tend toward chaotic over law, if you want a good cross section you can't use a forum like this but rather something like <A HREF="http://www.vote.com" TARGET=_blank>www.vote.com</A> were most of results seem to come out in favor of right wing answers.------------------------------------------
Sanity is highly overrated, everyone is more fun when their a little off normal.

by **Centurion** on Tue Feb 26, 2002 6:47 am

Well this is a board about a pornstar and a perverted moogle/human hybrid, what do you expect?I am a rarity amoung my right-wing brethren in that I don't give a damn about what kind of ideology surrounds the work of humor itself, as long as it makes me laugh.

by **markt18** on Tue Feb 26, 2002 12:02 pm

When did I mention that the libertarians directly endorsed such policies? And why are you so angry about my saying so anyway? Indeed, I think legislized slavery and child prostitution is an implication of libertarian principles. Take self-ownership, for example. If a person were sued for an overdue debt payment and lacked collatoral, what legal mechanism would be in place to stop the plaintiff from claiming "ownership" over said individual? Presumably none. If an individual indeed "owns himself" and is legally obliged to repaying such a debt, in an ideal libertarian system, there would exist no such constraint on the market.This goes for 'voluntary' slavery as well. If an individual or family is in a desperate position, say, the need for shelter, clothing or food, if these people indeed "own themselves", what ethical grounds does the State have in order to intervene in such a transaction?And who the fuck said that the libertarian party's interpretation of libertarianism as a philosophical concept was ever canon anyway? Actually, Muad_Dib, I subscribe to anarcho-syndicalism. This, in my opinion, is the only acceptable form of libertarian philosophy, since private property constitutes a very real (and often brutal and degrading)authoritarian institution. In fact, the inadequacy of right-libertarianism was alluded by Ayn Rand herself, in "Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal", which dealt with her distinction of libertarianism as advocating freedom from the state and the state alone, not the employer.Oh, and another thing: before you start spouting Ayn Rand and David Friedman quotes post-verbatim, a syndrome that many libertarians on the 'net I've found are quite prone to, I'm not attempting to evangelize or shun any potential party converts (funny, how "the third largest political party in America" constitutes about one-fiftieth of the Democratic and Republican parties combined <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif">). I also have little concern for what "correct" interpretation of the libertarian platform that party evangelists have proferred. To me, these are deeply ethical problems rooted in libertarian thought. I could care less of "what a real libertarian would advocate" as a matter of principle, since, on principle, they are party evangelists.I'm a dirty, lying, coming punk thug,
-- Mark
<a href="http://ri.xu.org/arbalest/alembic2c.html">The Libertarian As Conservative</a>
"Only government is force, no matter how many Indians were killed by settlers to acquire their property, no matter how many blacks were enslaved and sold by private companies, no matter how many heads of union members are broken by private police."
-- Mike Huben
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by **Guest** on Tue Feb 26, 2002 12:47 pm

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by **JennS** on Fri Mar 01, 2002 8:31 am

Economic: -3.00
Auth/Lib: -6.59Somehow I'm not surprised to find out I'm a closet anarchist...As far as the stupid people having kids thing goes... whether IQ is genetic or not, you could make the argument that truly stupid people (again, not mentally retarded, just stupid) would make bad parents... (I'm NOT saying I believe that! Don't kill me! I'm just saying it would be a valid argument! Anarchist, remember? You go on and reproduce!)

by **bicentennialman** on Fri Mar 01, 2002 9:00 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The most important thing for children to learn is discipline.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
When they asked this I think that they meant physical discipline, but I meant mental discipline, when I agreed, that is, the ability to focus on one task and see it through to the end. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>A same sex couple in a stable, loving relationship, should not be excluded from the possibility of child adoption. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'll say it again: As long as they have thier parenting liscences.I would have liked a "no comment" option in the answers, though.Economic Left/Right: -2.25
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -4.31Close to Gandhi! Yeeha!

by **Superkuh** on Sat Mar 02, 2002 10:21 am

Economic Left/Right: 1.13
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -6.32

by **evilblackrifle1** on Sun Mar 03, 2002 5:08 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by markt18:
With all the tests floating around this forum in the past couple weeks, I thought this should be interesting:<a href="http://www.politicalcompass.org"> politicalcompass.org </a>It tests your stance on various issues and points of philosophical discourse, then summarizes your stance on a four-way axis (eg. communism, fascism, anarchism, libertarianism, etc). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Odd, I took the test, and, I guess, because I don't object to the death penalty, I end up on the "Authoritarian" side of the scale.
Interesting...
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