We just wanna talk

[hswoolve]

Personally, I do not think they will "win" with John Death Bird. Even if they convince him that what happened to his family/clan was orchestrated by the Reich, I doubt he'll return to the "fold" of the Hawk Clan. He probably will feel he no longer belongs. Too many things have happened, and he may fear reprisals if he's led successful raids into Clan territory. (I suspect that the Reich may have kept him gunning for the killabikers though, until they were certain of his loyalty/their dominance over him).

Either way, it'll be interesting.

Oh dear, and I haven't seen anything about the hop destruction among my brewing/beer snob friends. I'll have to let them know. The fact we're not on the west coast may affect the local impact though.

[HiFranc]

I suspect that he's going to conduct his own investigation now.

{edit}I agree with you that he's unlikely to return to the Clan. I suspect that he may be more dangerous as an independent fighter than as part of the Reich.

[hswoolve]

well ... *sits back with a root beer and popcorn* They needed something/someone to replace Shere Khan as a dangerous unknown.

[xyzzy_n]

Was J. D. ever in the Clan? My impression from the last few updates is that he grew up east of the river and then joined the Reich, so even if he survives the current talk he would not be returning to the Clan, not really having been there in the first place (no-one except Ravenwing saw him there).

[Alec]

Maybe thats a problem. The Clan rarely seems to have it tough. In fact, they have all sorts of advantages: they're hidden somewhere highly secretive, they have superior tracking and hunting skills, they're excellent hand-to-hand combattants, and they have (this is where it irritates at times) a connexion to the spirit world that the other nations don't have outside of a very few individuals.

However, if an organized army would concentrate on them exclusively, they'd fall pretty quickly. They're superior individually, but my take is that they're not very numerous. Add to that the fact that they've rarely faced intelligent opponents (so far, the Reich soldiers have been shown as being dumb, easy to read) and I AM wondering how they'd do if they were faced with a group with real, Special Ops skills and thinking. I am thinking the Clan people wouldn't breeze through such an encounter.

The fact is, the Clan is used to its superiority, and its clear they're deeply affected by that arrogance. So far, its been justified, but the day they come upon enemies able to meet them on equal grounds, they'll quickly fall because of that very arrogance.

[macclint]

owever, if an organized army would concentrate on them exclusively, they'd fall pretty quickly. They're superior individually, but my take is that they're not very numerous.

This is pretty much true of all such societies, (and I remind people that it's mostly the Scouts, who are the Clan's elite force, that we see). The Ninja were no match for Samurai armies, thus they stayed in the shadows. The Shaolin monks began subeversive activities against the emperor (or harbored such seditionists) and were wiped out.

I admit, that was in the back of my mind when the idea of the Sanctuary came to me. Even in my year 2,000 idealism, I knew that greed and might would most likely prevail over a society bent on iving with the Earth.

[HiFranc]

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However, if an organized army would concentrate on them exclusively, they'd fall pretty quickly. They're superior individually, but my take is that they're not very numerous. Add to that the fact that they've rarely faced intelligent opponents (so far, the Reich soldiers have been shown as being dumb, easy to read) and I AM wondering how they'd do if they were faced with a group with real, Special Ops skills and thinking. I am thinking the Clan people wouldn't breeze through such an encounter.

My impression is the spirit world protects them a lot more than it seems. I suspect that, for any army to be successful against them, they would need to get rid of the help of the spirit world one way or another.

[daysha]

The fact is, the Clan is used to its superiority, and its clear they're deeply affected by that arrogance. So far, its been justified, but the day they come upon enemies able to meet them on equal grounds, they'll quickly fall because of that very arrogance

It seems to me that when ever one of the scouts have a round of arrogance, the sprit world brings them down a notch or two. The tiger and Wolfee, Cyotee and flame, even Ravenwing has been called on the carpet.

However, if an organized army would concentrate on them exclusively, they'd fall pretty quickly

Yeah, the british thought that about the American colonist too. the Americans thought that about the Seminoles and the Apaches. The Clan doesn't seem to me to be interested in dominating other people, just trying to live their lives to the best of their abilities to follow the paths set before them. The Clan "wins" by achiving oneness with nature and their spirt guides, not by beating an opponent. Like the Monks, they are concerned with personal growth and understanding, not domiance issues.

(apologise for miss spellings, brain not working yet)

[hswoolve]

However, if an organized army would concentrate on them exclusively, they'd fall pretty quickly

Yeah, the british thought that about the American colonist too.

Err ... part of what handicapped the British in the Am. Rev. was the length of the supply train needed, and the speed at which it moved. It's difficult to keep communications current when you've got a 2 month reply lag. By the time you get those summer uniforms you requisitioned, it's fall foliage season.

[daysha]

part of what handicapped the British in the Am. Rev. was the length of the supply train needed, and the speed at which it moved. It's difficult to keep communications current when you've got a 2 month reply lag.

While there is still some tech toys around, isn't this a post apocolipitic story? Wouldn't there be smiliar supply chain barriers?

[Marcos]

part of what handicapped the British in the Am. Rev. was the length of the supply train needed, and the speed at which it moved. It's difficult to keep communications current when you've got a 2 month reply lag.

While there is still some tech toys around, isn't this a post apocolipitic story? Wouldn't there be smiliar supply chain barriers?

There are, if you know what to look for. Seen any large-scale armored attacks lately? How about airborne recon? Mechanized infantry? There are plenty of small-scale things like the smart guns -- a single boat-load of electronic parts would let you make millions of them -- but little large-scale stuff or things requiring an uninterrupted supply line.

[Alec]

Supply chain barriers, lack of air cover, all of that is clearly something that'll last only so long. Eventually, mankind WILL recover, will have air cover, special ops, all the gizmos and tech and stuff.

Then what? What will the Clan do when this rather inescapable day comes?

[Sultec]

I get the feeling that the message is bigger is not better in the story. Our heroine, Ravenwing, is darn near invincible alone, and looks good even in camouflage.

When you factor in her apprentices, she is hampered by teaching, responsibility and the immature actions of others. With the Alliance students, it's even worse.

The Clan has fine ideals but the numbers make them softer, both in abilities and integrity.

The Yakimaw Nation seems to be good guys but are somewhat of a group of bumblers.

The Alliance is teetering on being the bad guys, being seduced by tech and numbers.

The biggest group, the Reich is really really bad, they are so bad they are even drawn as weird and ugly.

[summersong]

lolol

i hear ya there. many of my friends have worked thier ways through a number of the Old Chicago beer tours. *shakes head*
its a little more irritating when you're under 21 and cant join in on any of it.

the only thing that makes me sad is they say the "Monty Python's Holy Grail Ale" sucks hard. thats a shame.

[Coyote Bob]

... beer tours.....

Psst.... Summersong, the beer thing was a diversion to lighten the forum up a bit. It seemed to work but probably best to let it rest until needed again.

CB

[Timberwood]

... beer tours.....

Psst.... Summersong, the beer thing was a diversion to lighten the forum up a bit. It seemed to work but probably best to let it rest until needed again.

CB

I think she's cool CB, she only gets to post every once in a while so I'm voting her as being a delayed part of the stalling tactic.:lol:

[Coyote Bob]

I think she's cool CB, she only gets to post every once in a while so I'm voting her as being a delayed part of the stalling tactic.:lol:

Cheers to that!

CB

[Mravac Kid]

my friends' motto - bibito ergo sum (I drink therefore I am)

In the words of the immortal Franci Blaskovic...
"Mens sana in Malvasia Istriana"

[macclint]

"Mens sana in Malvasia Istriana"

Er.... my Croation is just a little rusty... hunh?

[HiFranc]

I think the attitude of the trooper who's annoyed with JD (Mon 23rd Oct) is going to convince JD that Ravenwing is telling the truth.

[hswoolve]

just saw today's comic ...
day-ng ....
JD is insane.

[Sultec]

As in a master psychologist - scared a Reicher bad enough to hold still to get his neck rung!

[The Steve]

lolol

i hear ya there. many of my friends have worked thier ways through a number of the Old Chicago beer tours. *shakes head*
its a little more irritating when you're under 21 and cant join in on any of it.

the only thing that makes me sad is they say the "Monty Python's Holy Grail Ale" sucks hard. thats a shame.

Come to Canada and do a tour here. The beer age is 19 here (18 in Quebec) and there are some really good local brews.