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[OT] Your favourite universe

Postby DaanS on Sat May 06, 2006 6:27 am

Something involving Jappus, porn, and the wrath of the Universe got me thinking about the different universes we have here, and what my favourite one would be. Aside from the universe where two certain gods reign supreme, I think it would be FanFic-iverse. Just for the sound of it :)

What are the other favourites? And slightly related, what should be the name of Whatever Encompasses Them All?
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Re: [OT] Your favourite universe

Postby Jappus on Sat May 06, 2006 6:40 am

DaanS wrote:What are the other favourites? And slightly related, what should be the name of Whatever Encompasses Them All?

Easy, it's Boardom (second d optional). It captures both common grounds of this decidedly strange society... :wink:


As for myself, any world where I am Supreme Master of Everything suits me just fine. :smug: :P
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Re: [OT] Your favourite universe

Postby DaanS on Sat May 06, 2006 6:43 am

Jappus wrote:
DaanS wrote:What are the other favourites? And slightly related, what should be the name of Whatever Encompasses Them All?

Easy, it's Boardom (second d optional). It captures both common grounds of this decidedly strange society... :wink:


Ow, nice one. It sounds a bit like a state of being, instead of a Great Collection of Disturbed Universes, but I like it :)
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Postby AntiDragon on Sat May 06, 2006 6:50 am

Me? I would have to say Dominic Deegans universe. It seems very well organized and resilient, not to mention that it has it's own buffer zone that filters essence between the planes to keep things balanced.

http://www.dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2005-01-10

I also like the way that the main theme is not the dominance of one force over the other, but that balance must be maintained. (Good and Evil, Order and Chaos, creation and destruction, ect) Good doesn
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Postby Propellerhead on Sat May 06, 2006 7:01 am

I'd like to be in a universe where the dark side rules, where the people do what they want and every day is Free comic book day! Oh, one more thing caramel rain, chocolate snow, strawberry rivers, jellybeans grow on trees... and I'd be a space pirate Image
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Postby Chibi_Tim on Sat May 06, 2006 7:35 am

For me it'd be a tied race between

Sean Howard's AMD universe
Terry Pratchett's discworld
and Propellorhead's universe
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Postby Pomiej on Sat May 06, 2006 11:40 am

Any universe that doesn't want to have me killed, maimed, hurt or horribly sodomised should be fine. Oh if it allows me to get laid it's a plus, I think.
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Postby Mad Bomber 80 on Sun May 07, 2006 12:26 am

The Liam-verse.

Werewolves, vampires, superheroes, psychotic clowns, Sliders, supervillians, Puppets, Porn Stars, Chinese Arms Dealers, (suspected) Crossdressing Hookers, cars that steal your underwear, Time Travelers, Evil hamsters, Scrappy Doo, and Satan.

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Postby Propellerhead on Sun May 07, 2006 12:27 am

Mad Bomber 80 wrote:The Liam-verse.

Werewolves, vampires, superheroes, psychotic clowns, Sliders, supervillians, Puppets, Porn Stars, Chinese Arms Dealers, (suspected) Crossdressing Hookers, cars that steal your underwear, Time Travelers, Evil hamsters, Scrappy Doo, and Satan.

Plus Liam Smith, the not-too-bright guy caught in the middle of it all.


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Postby Jappus on Sun May 07, 2006 12:55 am

AntiDragon wrote:[Dominic Deagan Universe]
Endless potential, Highly structured, well thought out... what more could a sentient being want?

A less DragonBall Z-ish storyline development, maybe?

I mean, in that Universe two things happily collide, leading to an inverse Muprhy's Law:
  • Bad things never stop to happen. You solve one thing, another one crops up twenty seconds later.
  • Buuuuut: Bad things never happen at the same time. They merrily line up, not even slightly shoving each other forward.
Ohh, and naturally law three:
  • Cliffhangers ain't.

I mean, I like Dominic Deegan, but I know that from a plot-development point of view it's crap-royale. It's even worse than cheap fantasy pulp of the 1960s.

Hell, even James Bond sometimes faced enemies that actually worked together and/or that two different threats against him were actually active and actively threatening at the same time.
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Postby lightsabermario on Sun May 07, 2006 1:05 am

I don't know what you guys are talking about boardie universes, and that's okay, because I don't care that much. But as to any fictional universes, I'd have to go with Antidragon and say Dominic Deegan's universe. It's so well thought out and balanced. Almost like the way Tolkein thought out his universe, only to a much lesser extent. And no, I'm not just dittoing Antidragon, I was thinking Dominic Deegan the moment I saw the title of the thread. It's so awesome, and allows for so much to be done with it.

It's like one of those immersive RPGs that you could enter and form infinite different experiences, because there are so many different sides to choose, thief, infernomancer, chosen, seer, etc, sort of like Morrowwind or Oblivion. Actually a whole lot like Oblivion. Holy crap, a ton like Oblivion! Hang on, I gotta go do one of my special 'supercomparisons'. But first, research!
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Okay I'm back. This makes a lot more sense. It turns out that they're both (ultimately) based on Dungeons & Dragons, with Oblivion following the path of many D&D-esque video games, including its predecessor, Morrowwind; and Dominic Deegan originating from the adventures of Mookie and his Dominic the Diviner. Still, there's a ton of eerie coincidences between the two. And you know what I always say about coincidences? Well, actually, I don't always say anything about coincidences. Anyway, both involve demon portals, with demons coming out of them causing chaos, and the good guy's task of preventing their opening or going and closing them, as well as going into them into the equivalent of hell (Oblivion). And the Chosen? Eerily similar to the Dark Brotherhood. I believe they both even worship chaos specifically in some regard.

EDIT: To respond to Jappus, most of what you're saying is true, but you're arguing against the writing of the storyline, not of structure of his universe. And that's what both me and Antidragon are admiring here.

And as to the writing, I happen to like it just the way it is. Just because some plot is more complex doesn't mean it's better, at least in my opinion. It's complex enough that it keeps me interested, and simple enough that I don't get lost in its history. And I happen to like his chiffhangers. And the plot development is most certainly not crap in any way. IMO, it has extremely badass plot-development. I mean, just take a look at the plot to the Erossus storyline! It's filled with twists and turns and has more than one bad guy going after him at one time.
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Postby Tychomonger on Sun May 07, 2006 12:04 pm

Tryslmaistan! Jennifer Diane Reitz comes up with the most well thought out universes. Everything from detailed history, to the physical laws that hold it together, to the myriad of probabilistic alternate universes. And on top of that, all her universes exist within a dynamic multiverse, with its own set of natural laws and even some weather events.
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Postby Jappus on Sun May 07, 2006 12:58 pm

Attention, the following is a presentation of a highly subjective point of view and the arguments for it.

Don't, I repeat, DON'T even assume for a single second that I do something else but explain, underline and argue for my very own personal opinion.

This was a public service announcement, we now return to the post at hand.

lightsabermario wrote:EDIT: To respond to Jappus, most of what you're saying is true, but you're arguing against the writing of the storyline, not of structure of his universe. And that's what both me and Antidragon are admiring here.

What use is a well laid out Universe if all that happens in it is a) utterly predictable and b) totally laughable and c) not even remotely thrilling?

All three points are a direct result of the less than sub-par storytelling. I fully admit that the universe shows promise, but so do the universes of Flipside, Digger and Zebragirl and their writing actually exceeds the one we find in Dominic Deegan by several magnitudes.

Without proper presentation you can have the most brilliant idea and still see it never reach its expected height.



I read Dominic Deegan because it is pulp. You can shut off your brain and just enjoy the show ... and sometimes wince, for example in situations like this. That's like the absolute antithesis of a cliffhanger and a very good example of a presentation that just plain sucks. But I won't elaborate further lest I ramble off on tangents not even I want to explore.


And as to the writing, I happen to like it just the way it is. Just because some plot is more complex doesn't mean it's better, at least in my opinion. It's complex enough that it keeps me interested, and simple enough that I don't get lost in its history.

I didn't say that complex was better.

The DD storyline is complex, but it is complex in an utterly naive way. Naturally, just like CRFH, we can find multiple storylines running side by side. But unlike CRFH, all the simultaneous threads have the same causes and the same solution.

They are like those knots that look horribly convoluted but completely dissolve just by pulling the two ends. The reason for this is: They are no knots, they only look like them.

The same applies to DD, all plots look complex and seem to have interlocking dependencies but if you look closely, you see that in reality, there's exactly 1 plotline going on. Only one real enemy is there. One strong pull on the ends of that knot and it vanishes into thin air.


So you see, my argument is not that the DD storytelling is not complex enough, my point is that it is not opaque and simultaneous enough. In DD, things do not happen at the same time, things happen one step after another. If someone is not in the current storyline, nothing changes. If some topic is not mentioned every two panels, it is completely on ice.

Just compare that to CRFH, where we have at least 4 distinct main storylines and 2 minor ones going on, all of them furthered at the same time. We have the Dave/Margaret/Blue/Roger issue, we have Mike's gayness issue, we have April's love/hate relationship, we have the small "Robotic Hand" plotline, we have the monetary conflict between Mike, Dave and Blue, we have the whole "Why is Mike a bastard" angle and so on.

Whereas on DD we have the Battle in Hell ... and the Battle in Hell 2 ... and the Battle in Hell 3 ... and the effects of the Battle in Hell on three different persons ... and an arrested Dominic because of the Battle in Hell ... and a saved town, that, err, is completely forgotten by now and matters not in the least ... and a Orc that runs after another Orc that has become evil because of, you might know it already, the Battle in Hell.

All those are solved by one single action: End the Battle in Hell. It is a single storyline that just disguises itself as complex.


In CRFH on the other hand, you could let Dave marry Margaret or Blue or the next best cactus and you'd still have 5 other plotlines running. You could let April get over Mike and would still have 5 other plotlines. You could kill Satan forever and you'd still have something between 4 and 5 other plotlines. You could let Dave win the lottery and still have 5 other plotlines.


CRFH is like the real world: There is no easy, single solution.
DD is like a primitive mathematical equation: There is always a single, easy solution.

In DD, the question and only point of interest is exactly how they'll do it. There is no "if", "but" and "maybe" anywhere in it.




As such, the DD universe may be a great place worthy of a description by the world's best authors ... unfortunately it has to suffice with Mookie's ideas of how to present a story. And these are ideas that the pulp fantasy authors of the 1960s already entertained.


Notice that I still read and enjoy DD despite all this. It's a good comic, but just not the great achievement you declare it to be, in my opinion.


And I happen to like his chiffhangers.

As I said: His cliffhangers ain't. Practically every fourth strip features a cliffhanger of some sort. A cliffhanger that is none because they come so often. I cannot remember a single DD cliffhanger that has actually made me curious of what will happend next. And do you want to know why? Because I already knew what would happen next. They just happen so damn bloody often that they've lost all that makes a cliffhanger a storyline cliff you hang with your dear teeth on.

Even the 1940 Superman comic books that always started and ended with cliffhangers of the most epically bad kind never used them right in the middle of the comic book.


Cliffhangers only work if they're the exception, not the rule.
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Postby lightsabermario on Sun May 07, 2006 2:21 pm

I believe this can all be answered by a comparison that Mookie recently made in that interview with Keencast. In the interview, they were discussing DC vs. Marvel. It came up that Marvel seemed to deal more with real world problems and make the characters deal with complex situations, whereas DC was more escapism. Mookie identified with DC and said that when he reads comics, he wants to get away from the complexities of the real world, and immerse himself in another world, and he tries to do the same thing with Dominic Deegan. Both Marvel and DC both have their good points, just like CRFH and DD both have their good points. This doesn't mean that Mookie is any less of a good writer, and if the fantasy authors of the '60s are anything like DD, then maybe I'll have to check them out. Don't forget that most people of today, especially young people, have never even heard of these fantasy authors, and just because someone did it once before doesn't mean you can't do it again for the next generation.

And yes, his storylines do usually have one solution, and it's often only a matter of how it's resolved, not if. This is partially because he is a loving creator, and wants a happy ending for everyone. But I think it is for the better, and that his story would suffer if it was done differently. It is necessary for there to be respites in the constant drama of a comic. Otherwise, you end up with angst overloads that span several years without getting resolved. I don't know about you, but I see that as a flaw, not an asset. Especially if your primary goal of your comic is escapism. When you want to escape to another reality, you're probably fleeing the complexities of the real world, and months or even years of angst would ruin that. The mystery is still there, how they are going to solve the problem is still a mystery. I don't know if it means that I am just too stupid to see stuff coming, but I do not see it as predictable or laughable at all, and I find it very thrilling. As many times as Mookie has done a cliffhanger, he still gets me excited with each new one. If you are so smart or so jaded that it's too predictable and not thrilling for you, then, like Joyce of IW! said, "that's too bad, 'cuz in the meantime, I'm perfectly happy and you're bored."

However, with regards to complexity, to say that DD is not complex is just not true. All those things you mentioned that are going on in DD are complexities, but in DD they are all centralized around the current storyline. Just because they all end at the same time doesn't make it less complex. If you look at each of the individual complexities of each storyline, you'll notice that they don't have to all end at the same time. The fact that all the current complexities often come to a head all at the same time is simply good writing, not bad writing, because it enhances the drama of the that moment.
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Postby DaanS on Mon May 08, 2006 4:20 am

There are a lot of points on which I have to agree with Jappus. One of my main problems with DD is the lack of build-up at the start of a story arc. Nine out of ten times it's "nice, homely situation interrupted by scary vision". *Bang*, story starts.

But even though it's nowhere near as complex as, e.g., Our Beloved (A.K.A. CRFH!!!), it does have some backstory and ongoing character development.

Think Szark for a moment. His wound, his struggle with perversion, his love for Dominic (although the latter is perhaps to recent to be judged this way) keep winding in and out of the story. In relevant, interesting ways (e.g., the Battle for Barthis duel).
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Postby Jappus on Mon May 08, 2006 10:39 am

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I copied my last sentence to the top of this posting. Just as a precaution to not be misunderstood, you know. Here it is:

Yes, I still read, and occasionally really enjoy, Dominic Deegan. But I also know that is is rather far away from being perfect. That's all what this posting is intended for.
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lightsabermario wrote:As many times as Mookie has done a cliffhanger, he still gets me excited with each new one. If you are so smart or so jaded that it's too predictable and not thrilling for you, then, like Joyce of IW! said, "that's too bad, 'cuz in the meantime, I'm perfectly happy and you're bored."

Actually, that comment has a deadly flaw: It presumes that I cannot simply go watch something else.

Which I can.

However, with regards to complexity, to say that DD is not complex is just not true. All those things you mentioned that are going on in DD are complexities, but in DD they are all centralized around the current storyline. Just because they all end at the same time doesn't make it less complex.

Actually, it does. They're all just different perspectives of the very same coin. The coin can be as difficile and complex as it likes, it stays a coin with no more than two sides and a rim. Only a numismatician can stand to look at the same coin longer than two minutes.

To only have problems that have the same reason and the same solution is simply put, a catastrophic idea from an authorial point of view. No matter how much insights you put into it or how detailed your analysis is, the fact that there is a single solution to the story as a whole cannot be counteracted. It renders even the most complex tales into absolutely predictable and simple stories. You don't even need to be particularly smart of otherwise gifted to do that.


And that, in the end, is the difference between masters of the art and mere storytellers. Storytellers cannot manage the enormous task to balance the opaqueness of a story with the clearer moments. You need to be an expert at the weaving of stories to do just that without either confusing the hell out of the reader or boring him to death or making the reader wish to smite the author every so often (the latter happens to me whenever I read some of the more ... glaringly simple DD strips).

Most fanficcers and, yes, most comic authors that try their hands at story-based comics are only storytellers. Their ideas and art can make the trip wirthwhile, despite their shortcomings. DD is certainly such a strip. It has its overly obvious errors but also quite a lot of redeeming qualities. They're just not found on the storytelling front.

Not everybody can be a Tolkien, Adams, Pratchett, Fitzgerald or Perez-Reverte. But not everyone has to be.

If you look at each of the individual complexities of each storyline, you'll notice that they don't have to all end at the same time. The fact that all the current complexities often come to a head all at the same time is simply good writing, not bad writing, because it enhances the drama of the that moment.

Actually, a good, concisely written story intended to fill exactly one book follows the pattern:
Exposition, Buildup, Climax, Epilogue. All four roughly equally long (if it is a new work, the Exposition can be made slightly shorter if the characters and situations are already known).

With DD, it is Expo (shortening intended), Buiiiiiiiiiildup (Extension intended) and CLIMAX.

Do you note the difference?

After the climax of a plotline, not a single thread is left dangling, but that's because there's no epilogue or if at all, it's already the buildup for the next bang. In either case, almost no thread survives a single plotline. The second it comes up, it is resolved.

Do you notice what else is off? Yes, the fact that DD is most alike to a single story nove instead of a whole cycle of books (where there is another overarching system of Exposition, etc.).
But it is still a serial comic. And that's where things start to get even worse.

See Szark. Despite him having a rather complex backstory ... it is absolutely simple. Each of his bad traits or revelations of character was exposed and resolved in the very same storyline. No time for a proper epilogue or an enduring tension. It crops up and instantaneously gets solved.


That's nearly as bad as what T. Campbell did with Faans, in which he introduced new characters for the sole purpose of killing them off.



The fact that Mookie lets all threads end at the same time is no sign for good writing, only one for the fact that he at least took 10 minutes to plan the storyline before drawing it.

Good writing is writing that leaves threads hanging without making it appear as if the thread was artificially stretched or make the tension unbearable or too diffuse to care about.



As I said, DD doesn't need good storytelling to be worthwhile. It has other qualities.
But that naturally also means that it is, at least for me, and I cannot stress the subjectivity of it enough, nothing to write home about.




Yes, I still read, and occasionally really enjoy, Dominic Deegan. But I also know that is is very far away from being perfect. That's all this posting is intended for.
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Postby DaanS on Mon May 08, 2006 11:38 am

While I agree with most of what you said, I feel it deserves a little more credit than you give it. Only a little.

Take the Szark example again. It's true that the story in which he is introduced clears up most the things that give him depth there. But some threads still remain. He seems to be over his love for killing, but he still has his infernal wound, which was one of the reasons killing felt so good to him. We can't be sure he'll never indulge again. Several other characters have their ongoing problems as well.

It's true that DD's story arcs miss any true epilogue, among other things. Hell, like you said, most of the stories end with such an unbelievable convergence that there's hardly any need for an epilogue. But a few dangling threads are there. Mookie doesn't seem to do a whole lot with them, most of the time. But they are there.

I'm not saying this makes DD a comic with fine storytelling. But I do feel it has it's good moments even in that area, few and far between as they may be.
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Postby the Siliconopolitan on Mon May 08, 2006 1:10 pm

In order to look as though I've read Jappi word as were they the gospel (come to think of it, that's exactly what I have), I'll make to statements:

I hereby declare that I, the autocratic ruler of DJaS, henceforth will view Jappus as a Dave&Cactus shipper irregar'less of his protestations.

Two: You may want to brush up on your Greek. I do believe the word you're looking for is "culmination".


As for preferred universe(s): I can't really say that I feel like a part of the Boardom paraphenalia. I haven't even tried to come up with some sort of profile to get me involved in all the role-playing, pfficcing and so on. I just sit around, sputtering trivialities, <strike>lusting for</strike> admiring Jappus and being generally noncommitted.

A fictional universe of my preference would at the moment be [WITHHELD BY THE INSPECTOR GENERAL]. I realise that it's not grand fiction, but I sort of admire [REDACTED] and [PANDA]. What can I say? I've lately developed quite a thing for [EEEEEEK!], and though it isn't bloody like to happen, even should I by some peculiar quirk of physics, metaphysics, orthophysics and paraphysics find myself transported into the world of [PASS ALONG CITIZEN], I can always dream of [YOU REALLY DON'T WANT TO KNOW] with them. I mean the [PANDA WOOL] and [EXPURGATED] are just a winning combination. At least as long as we leave out the [CHAINSAW].

So there you have it. All my kinks laid bare in one short paragraph.

That actually felt good. I've been to uncomfortable keeping all of this in.

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Postby lightsabermario on Mon May 08, 2006 2:19 pm

Ah, I got it, Jappus. You're expecting a several-season-spanning soap opera but what you're given is episodal content.

Okay, I'm no longer claiming that Dominic Deegan is a masterpiece of writing or whatever, and I understand that you still enjoy DD from time to time. Happy? :) (don't read in mean tone)

But, before I sign off, Jappus, I think you need to open up your eyes to other kinds of writing styles coming out of webcomics, and accept DD for what it is. Surely you enjoy movies and single story novels, don't you? You compare Dominic Deegan to them. How about TV shows with a continuous cast but with each episode being largely self contained? Like Star Trek: The Next Generation? The style is pretty much the same. No plot threads are left dangling, but each episode has its own self-contained drama, and when the climax is over and the resolution of all problems sets in, what is left in the reader? Satisfaction. (And don't even try to tell me that ST:TNG doesn't have spectacular writing.)

Different comics have different styles, and you can't expect all of them to take your favorite style. The greatness is in the diversity. Sure, DD may get you peeved sometimes, but other people may get peeved reading your favorite strip. For example, I love CRFH, but sometimes it gets me very frustrated in that the conclusions to most emotional developments are few and far between, and the angst levels are sometimes monotonous and unbearable. I rarely ever get the satisfying "ahhh" of a resolved emotional relationship. But I do get the chills from the powerful build up of drama which has been building for quite some time, or from the really emotionally powerful events like the death of Roger's mom, and I eat that stuff up. So, I read both, enjoying each of their styles fully without wishing one had more of the other. Like the saying goes, "Variety is the spice of life".
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Postby Jappus on Mon May 08, 2006 2:42 pm

the Siliconopolitan wrote:I hereby declare that I, the autocratic ruler of DJaS, henceforth will view Jappus as a Dave&Cactus shipper irregar'less of his protestations.

Who says that I would protest. :wink: :P

Two: You may want to brush up on your Greek. I do believe the word you're looking for is "culmination".

Well, the official german word for that part of the story is "Klimax". Plus, when in doubt, I always choose the perverted alternative.

That way, people are less irritated by, or at least diverted from, my overt use of commas, my regular tyops, my horrible length of expression, my endless enumerations and atop of it all, my horrible, horrible, yet always quite useful if you ask me, even though I freely admit that it has a certain disruptive quality, sometimes at least, sentence structure.

:wink: :P
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Postby the Siliconopolitan on Mon May 08, 2006 2:52 pm

Jappus wrote:
the Siliconopolitan wrote:I hereby declare that I, the autocratic ruler of DJaS, henceforth will view Jappus as a Dave&Cactus shipper irregar'less of his protestations.


Who says that I would protest. :wink: :P

I'll amend that with "... should any be forthcoming."

Jappus wrote:
Two: You may want to brush up on your Greek. I do believe the word you're looking for is "culmination".

Well, the official german word for that part of the story is "Klimax". Plus, when in doubt, I always choose the perverted alternative.

It is similarly misused in Danish, but the fact that "everybody" uses something wrongly, doesn't make it right.

Jappus wrote:That way, people are less irritated by, or at least diverted from, my overt use of commas, my regular tyops, my horrible length of expression, my endless enumerations and atop of it all, my horrible, horrible, yet always quite useful if you ask me, even though I freely admit that it has a certain disruptive quality, sometimes at least, sentence structure.

:wink: :P

Apropos:
"An apparently new speech disorder a linguistics department our correspondent visited was affected by has appeared. Those affected our correspondent a local grad student called could hardly understand apparently still speak fluently. The cause experts the LSA sent investigate remains elusive. Frighteningly, linguists linguists linguists sent examined are highly contagious. Physicians neurologists psychologists other linguists called for help called for help called for help didn’t help either. The disorder experts reporters SpecGram sent consulted investigated apparently is a case of pathological center embedding."

This sort of thing must be pure braincandy to a datamatician. Personally, I can't even use Hewlett-Packard.
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Postby lightsabermario on Mon May 08, 2006 2:55 pm

That way, people are less irritated by, or at least diverted from, my overt use of commas, my regular tyops, my horrible length of expression, my endless enumerations and atop of it all, my horrible, horrible, yet always quite useful if you ask me, even though I freely admit that it has a certain disruptive quality, sometimes at least, sentence structure.


Hi five for crazy, undoubtably due to my desire to squeeze everything out in one breath, as well as my indefatigable enthusiam to be all-encompassing, sentence structure!
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Postby Jappus on Mon May 08, 2006 3:02 pm

lightsabermario wrote:Ah, I got it, Jappus. You're expecting a several-season-spanning soap opera but what you're given is episodal content.

The problem is, as you've yourself recognized, Dominic Deegan is intended, by design of its universe, graphical format and basic story, to actually be a several season spanning fantasy soap opera, if you want to put it that way.

Unfortunately, it cannot live up to that intention and is thus, due to reasons I've enumerated above, an episodal comic strip.

These two factors simply clash. It may be such a beautiful universe, but the storytelling is not suited for it and as such, the universe follows where the story heads.

Which was my original argument why DD is not exactly the best example of an ordered fictional universe.

Okay, I'm no longer claiming that Dominic Deegan is a masterpiece of writing or whatever, and I understand that you still enjoy DD from time to time. Happy? :) (don't read in mean tone)

Actually, I'd be much happier if you argued against me.

I actually don't like people agreeing with me, because that gives me no reason to debate with them, something which you surely noticed is among the top five of my most favored perks of earthly life. :smug: :wink:

But, before I sign off, Jappus, I think you need to open up your eyes to other kinds of writing styles coming out of webcomics, and accept DD for what it is. Surely you enjoy movies and single story novels, don't you? You compare Dominic Deegan to them. How about TV shows with a continuous cast but with each episode being largely self contained? Like Star Trek: The Next Generation? The style is pretty much the same. No plot threads are left dangling, but each episode has its own self-contained drama, and when the climax is over and the resolution of all problems sets in, what is left in the reader? Satisfaction. (And don't even try to tell me that ST:TNG doesn't have spectacular writing.)

I cannot divine if that last comment was meant sarcastic or not, but for the sake of agreement, I'll just nod and smile to that (lest I derail the topic even further). :wink:

In any case, my credo is: To every format its story, to every story its format. Just like Highlanders, in both there can be only one.

Unfortunately, in the case of DD, format and story simply don't match up. And this is simply an awkward state of affairs if you ask me.


I fully agree that DD has a lot of redeeming qualities which makes me like it again (unlike some other comis I only read because of sheer self-loathing. Megatokyo being a prime example for that).

But to enumerate them would only cause you to nod, smile and agree. Hence the seemingly ... bitter tone of my posting. I just don't see the point here in outlining the good parts apart from creating mere balance of opinion that I can just as well state outright in one sentence.


As for diversificating my reading ... err, I don't think it can get that much more diverse.
I mean, I read nearly everything, beginning with "Antihero for Hire", over "Barkeater Lake", "Better Days", "Digger", "Flipside", "Freefall", "Nichtlustig", "Pandimaniacs" and "Spork" up till "Zebra Girl".

And that's not counting the dozens of graphical novels, text novels, short stories, non-fiction, biographies and history books I own.


Knowing Karma, I am absolutely sure that you would sure as hell find some of those utter crap whereas I would say that they are true masterpieces. Stanislaw Lem comes to my mind there.



It's all subjective, afterall. :)
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