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Postby K A H on Mon Aug 20, 2001 2:02 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Anh Minh:
<B>The solution is quite simple: don't date anyone. Don't befriend anyone. Just be "the weird, lonely guy".</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I was forced into that role when I was bloody five years old (long story, and not appropriate for a forum where I've posted for all of two weeks) and believe me, once you fall into that role, it's very difficult to break out of it. There's something to be said for keeping a low profile in such a volatile environment as high school, but once you're in a more stable one, it isn't necessarily easy to cease being low profile.<P>Of course, that could be just me.<P>K.A.H.
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Postby Strangeone on Mon Aug 20, 2001 2:55 am

In general, school from K-12 just sucked for me. I was that one kid in the school that seemingly EVERYONE wanted to pick on. The teasing I went through was so bad at times that things couldn't have gotten any lower unless I killed myself.<P>Middle school was the very definition of the seventh level of Hell. There I was, crammed in a building with all of the other sixth, seventh and eighth graders, hormones all running on overdrive. I recall an instance where I literally had to run from the other students back to the classroom after a fire drill. I turned around and decked one guy with a clothesline, which was all luck. Homeroom was so much Hell that I absolutely refuse to discuss it further.<P>High school was mildly better than middle school. During my senior year, I was shocked that I was hardly ever picked on. Most everyone else had matured to the point that they elected to leave me alone. Of course, by then, so much damage had been done that I was irreversably paranoid. Then, suddenly, on the day of the Senior Picnic at the end of the school year, the Senior Silly Awards were handed out. These are just awards made up by the student council and voted on by the class. Most of them are pretty ridiculous. Most likely to become a hermit, Biggest lush, etc. You should have seen the look on my face when I was voted Most Likely to be Envied by Everyone in 20 Years. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>Yet, when I got to college the following fall, I ended up having an epiphany around winter quarter. I had made more friends in my brief stay at college and had more fun than I ever did at any time back in my home town. I was actually, for once, part of a crowd.<P>For the first time in my life, I felt truly happy. It may sound silly, but it's true. I felt so miserable and so paranoid when I was growing up that even when I thought I was happy, I actually wasn't. It wasn't until I reached college and left everything behind that I actually felt good about myself.<P>Maybe all that's really holding Ceilidh back is her memories of her old high school and whatever else bothered her in the past and that she hasn't learned to let them all go. She may look happy much of the time, but in her heart, she could be miserable. I remember feeling the same way.
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Postby Vaughn on Mon Aug 20, 2001 3:25 am

I know exactly what you mean - except with me it's still happening. Sort of.
When I finished middle school I had basically two schools to choose from, one in the city and one somewhat outside it. Now, the layout of our town is a bit unusual, in that we have an island on one side and a landbound suburb on the other. The island isn't nearly full of city, though, so a lot of people live on the other side of city center from me - and they are usually the ones to pick the city-based school. And so did I.
EDIT: I appear to have forgotten to mention *how* it is still happening. (And lynx is bad at forms.. sorry about that.) Sure, I've gotten a much better life now, but if you're going to make a clean break it has to be *clean*; I've lost touch with the few friends I had in my last school as well. (Come to think of it, there were only two. Maybe not so bad after all.)
Because these two societies are so strongly separated - more by custom than physics - I was able to make a clean break, and start over with (mostly) no reputation. It also helped that my class has been voted the Most Intelligent Ever - by the *teachers*! - so me doing above average does for once not make me stand out. I guess my point here is simple; sure, I got a lucky break, but sometimes all you need is a *break*.<P>
On the other hand, it says something pretty sad about our society that the most outstanding students are *always* the ones to get picked on. Sure, "the nail that stands out gets hammered down" is supposed to be typical for *Japan*, but it seems to hold true for most other countries as well. Suggestions are welcome - just how can this be changed? I realize this is mostly an impossible question, but it should be asked.<P>------------------
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Postby TheMike on Mon Aug 20, 2001 3:37 am

<FONT FACE='Arial, Helvetica'>I really don't think high school is that bad. I mean, I'm still in high school so I have nothing to compare it against... but I really think your high school experience is determined by your own mindset, confidence, etc.<P>I'm a total internet geek. I think I sort of got picked on in middle school, but it didn't bother me... for one thing, it was kept to a minimum: I was in advanced classes, so a lot of the other kids were just as geeky as me. For another thing, when I was "picked on", it was by people who didn't matter at all. So I could stay above it.<P>High school - for me - has been, by and by, a wonderful experience. I get depressed a lot, but it could be so much worse. I've never been on a date. I've asked three girls out and been rejected three times(with varying degrees of ensuing humiliation). But... I like to think I've made friends. I'm not picked on at all. There was maybe one guy who really didn't like me (to this day I still don't know why, I guess it was because he's sort of the academic-competetive type) and after three years I think we've pretty well resolved our differences. I wouldn't call him a friend, but I respect him and I'd like to think the respect is mutual.<P>Sorry, any time you give me a chance to talk about myself I tend to ramble... but I guess the point is that high school's not that bad. It's an experience... and, well, like any other experience I think it's what you make of it...<P>-The Mike</FONT>
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Postby Guest on Mon Aug 20, 2001 3:45 am

Avalon High is just like Pickering High, except there's less people listening to rap all the time in Avalon.<P>My romantic history started back when I was in grade 5 (no shittin!). To this day I still want to get back with my first (and sadly, only) girlfriend, even after the hell we've (mostly) unintentionally caused each other.<P>Fortunately for me, to finish my secondary education, I may be going to Durham College's upgrading program. And if that's the case, I'm more than likely to stay in afterwards and take some of their college courses, and then go to Trent (which is one of the four universities I drempt of going to when I was younger, the others being Waterloo, MIT, and Toronto).<P>High school, to sum it up in a single word, sucks.<P>BTW, today's strip: She's still topless... Plus, when considering what she is saying, I would like to think this supports my theory that on some level she's trying to get Joe in the sack.
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Postby Tangent on Mon Aug 20, 2001 6:04 am

I remember fleeing from classroom to classroom, hunted by a Junior (I was a Sophmore) who had been told I said his girlfriend looked like a dog (I didn't, I have a lot of respect for women, even back then). He was a football player and me, I was a mutt. He once went into a room I was in while the teacher was there and yanked me out of my desk and tried to drag me into the bathroom to flush my head down the toilet.<P>The teacher laughed as he dragged me out. It was another teacher who stopped him and sent him to the principal's office, which made things even worse. Luckily he was gone the next semester... and in my senior year I had achieved cult status somehow. Probably because I always hung out with the really cute girls and they let me. *chuckle* Too bad they wouldn't date me though. I didn't ask, they had boyfriends. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"><P>Basically, high school sucked. At least in college I didn't have people hunting me down.<P>If I had it to do again, I'd have been homeschooled. Screw socialization.<P>------------------
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Postby Myriad on Mon Aug 20, 2001 6:08 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Quattro:
<B>Cause it's happening to someone else and not me <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>But you can relate to it so easily. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"> In high school, I was a Ceilidh who fell in love with a Phoebe who saw me as an Alison, and we almost Iain'd, but then she pulled a Joe and after we both Ghada'd she turned into Larry.<P>Granted, it sucked at the time, but I can laugh about it now. Either time really does heal all wounds, or maybe I've just grown up. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"> But Avalon definitely brings me back to a time that was ridiculous and funny and dangerous and dull and utterly stupid and utterly sane. I'm glad I can't go back, but at least I can visit. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>~myRIaD;
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Postby TheMike on Mon Aug 20, 2001 6:08 am

<FONT FACE='Arial, Helvetica'>I'm starting to feel like I'm in the minority here with my non-horrible high school experience...<P>-The Mike</FONT>
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Postby Quattro on Mon Aug 20, 2001 6:55 am

As we all know, there is plenty of scheming, mis-communication, plotting against others, and trying hard to get people to like you in Avalon.<P>These are also all of these reason why I didn't exactly enjoy it highschool much. I mean, you couldn't do anything without 20 people wanting to know, you couldn't admit you liked someone without the whole school knowing, you couldn't even be sarcastic about someone, 'cause then someone would misunterpret and you'd instantly make a bunch of enemies.<P>Yet, this stuff proves to be a great read in a comic. Why? Cause it's happening to someone else and not me <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"><P>Dan
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Postby AngelKnight2780 on Mon Aug 20, 2001 7:22 am

Let's put it this way - Dante forgot a circle of Hell, and that is High School.<P>Oddly enough, I grew into a sort of notorious character in my high school (it's rather funny when you have your own little mythos developing.) But the one thing that surprised me was that I won more letters than some of the so-called "jocks" in my class. (Yes, I may be a geek, but I spent about 8 years learning close quarter combat (karate and wrestling), and I WILL layeth the beatdown on someone that irritates me.) <P>But I personally hated HS - it was Irritating. The students thought I sucked up to the teachers (they named me Teacher's Pet), and the teachers were very wary of me (a teacher of mine, learning of said "award", said "I find that VERY hard to believe.") think that's where my rather hardheaded attitude came from - I blazed my OWN way.<P>
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Postby K A H on Mon Aug 20, 2001 7:30 am

Agreed. Looking back, I'm certainly glad my romantic history began when I was nearly halfway through university, and high school was far behind me. My reputation as a chronic introvert who was mystified and/or disgusted by all things sexual was so far-reaching that, had I entered into a relationship, the entire school would probably have imploded (not to mention the speculation that would have resulted).<P>K.A.H.
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Postby Dandin on Mon Aug 20, 2001 7:37 am

Well, I wish I could've gone to High School. All the experiances that I've missed in life because of that. Some may say that it wasn't much fun, but just the experiance would've been great for me. That's one reason I love this comic so much, it lets me imagine what it might've been like :<P>Dandin<P>------------------
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Postby Fiend on Mon Aug 20, 2001 7:51 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Quattro:
<B>As we all know, there is plenty of scheming, mis-communication, plotting against others, and trying hard to get people to like you in Avalon.<P>These are also all of these reason why I didn't exactly enjoy it highschool much. I mean, you couldn't do anything without 20 people wanting to know, you couldn't admit you liked someone without the whole school knowing, you couldn't even be sarcastic about someone, 'cause then someone would misunterpret and you'd instantly make a bunch of enemies.<P>Yet, this stuff proves to be a great read in a comic. Why? Cause it's happening to someone else and not me <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"><P>Dan<P>
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>And yet you joined the forum, where much of what you have mentioned occurs on a regular basis.
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Postby Quattro on Mon Aug 20, 2001 8:28 am

Quite true, but again, it's happening to someone else, and not me <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"> or real people for that matter. I'm not sure if the fact we enjoy talking about 'made-up' personas makes us crazy though... <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>Dan
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Postby Fool on Mon Aug 20, 2001 9:01 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Quattro:
<B>I'm not sure if the fact we enjoy talking about 'made-up' personas makes us crazy though...</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yup! It suuuuuuuure does.
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Postby Anh Minh on Mon Aug 20, 2001 9:25 am

I'm not sure about that stuff. In my high school years, I was always kind of an outsider. Not caring about all the intrigue, not being aware of it was pretty easy.<P>Anh Minh
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Postby Quattro on Mon Aug 20, 2001 9:27 am

Likewise with me. I was sort of an outsider too. But I mean, even still it was hard to avoid it. When I started dating a girl back in grade 10, I didn't even TELL anyone, and when I went to school the next day, EVERYONE knew. How?!?! Simple answer. It's highschool <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"><P>Dan
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Postby Friggin' Cornflakes on Mon Aug 20, 2001 9:37 am

Oh man, I hate high school. To the extent that I'm going to college a year early.<P>It's true! I'm leaving tommorow.<P>Perhaps part of what makes a comic about highschoolers so good is that <I>we</I> are not here. As in, we don't interact with these people. Every human has a need to interact with others, but if you're an introvert, or outsider, or whatever (as I'm sure 95% of this forum must be) interaction is so much harder. <P>This webcomic is like voyerism. Especially as of late. 8^9<P>------------------
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Postby Anh Minh on Mon Aug 20, 2001 9:38 am

The solution is quite simple: don't date anyone. Don't befriend anyone. Just be "the weird, lonely guy".<P>Anh Minh
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Postby Symok on Mon Aug 20, 2001 9:38 am

Or did she tell someone? Or someone saw you two together?<P>That's all it takes, one person who knows your name seeing you with someone and it can spread like wildfire.<P>------------------
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Postby Friggin' Cornflakes on Mon Aug 20, 2001 10:00 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Anh Minh:
<B>The solution is quite simple: don't date anyone. Don't befriend anyone. Just be "the weird, lonely guy".<P>Anh Minh</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Been there, done that. You usually end up befriending a bottle of Jergens hand lotion, and that's not rewarding either.
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Postby Elim Stone on Mon Aug 20, 2001 10:12 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tangent:
<B>If I had it to do again, I'd have been homeschooled. Screw socialization.<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Been there, done that. I was schooled in the 'normal' school system until the middle of eighth grade, Then home-schooled. Part of my problem was the inability of the school system to make allowances for my brain. In 5th grade I had an IQ of 145 and at the end of 6th grade I passed the SAT with a combined of 1090.. But beyond that, I had been the outcast since kindergarten... I was the one who made friends with the Recess monitors (y'know the adults..) and the teachers..<P>in 6th grade I was put into a Gifted and Talented program, the cream of the brainiacs from the school system. I finally fit in, we were ALL weird as hell (imagine a buch of 6th graders fascinated by Monty Python... hoo boy!). I kept some friends from that class, but after 6th grade they moved us all back into the main-stream school... and I was the only one from that class in my school. in 8th grade when my mom pulled me out I had a C in math (my strongest subject)why? I was repeating stuff I'd done in 6th grade, and was aceing the tests but doing no written work... (A+F)/2=C<P>Homeschooling was nice, my mom left me my head as to direction of study, as long I was doing something, and my interests are(were) broad enough that I have a pretty complete education (lacking mostly some ancient history and social studies BS stuff...).<P>My best friend from that 6th grade year however went into mainstream high-school, and it screwed him up in many ways.. luckily for him he was bright enough to steer away from the drugs and sex etc; mostly, I think because he got dumped HARD by his first (and only as far as I know) girlfriend but he did eventually drop out of high-school. He's back on his feet now, he's gotten his GED and is holding down a job and even moving into a manager position (and not just at a McD's.. at a decent local electronic parts store) but I don't think he has any real dreams left in him. The days he would talk about becoming a jet pilot are over, and I doubt much can be done to resurrect them. <P>Homeschooling ain't exactly roses either however, I've met many others who have been homeschooled, who are dominated by their parents, whether from the parents fear of Something BadTM influencing their child or just need to control their kids (some people, IMNHO should never be allowed to breed..)<P>Well, now I am heading of to college this January, and I am truly looking forward to interacting with people my own age again (as most of my friends right now are 30+ to my 20) Anyway, I'm starting(!) to ramble, so I'll stop. this has been a nice distraction from waiting for the next strip to be uploaded.. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif">
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Postby Quattro on Tue Aug 21, 2001 12:26 am

Wow, when I started this topic way back when I didn't expect it to get to this.<P>I guess for me, the reason why I hated High school was for a couple reasons. I too am a gifted student. So being a smart kid didn't really help with being picked on. But that wasn't the part of highschool I hated. All the name picking only made me somewhat shy towards people, but it never got to me 'cause I always turned that into motivation just to proove people wrong.<P>I hated High School simply because of the normal mentality. People always trying to impress others, caring more about what they look like and such. Who did what with who, and why they did that with who was all people seemed to care about. I couldn't care less.<P>But the main reason why I hated High School was I've known what I've wanted to do with my life since I was 7 or 8. I've wanted to be a computer artist (I'm doing graphic Design) and elementary school and high school were my road blocks to doing what I truely wanted to do.<P>I have many great memories from High School, such as scoring the game winning goal in my first soccer game for the school team in grade 9 which put us into the playoffs (and into a great photo of my goal in the yearbook), my first girlfriend, many awesome days and jokes on good friends like when I taped a friend's locker with condom ads, MANY photolab darkroom fun, and a lot of great teachers. But even with those, overall I think college/university has been a lot better 'cause I'm one step closer to my goal.<P>Dan<P>
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Postby Guest on Tue Aug 21, 2001 12:30 am

What sort of darkroom fun? <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif">
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Postby Anh Minh on Tue Aug 21, 2001 12:39 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheMike:
<B><FONT FACE='Arial, Helvetica'>I'm starting to feel like I'm in the minority here with my non-horrible high school experience...<P>-The Mike</FONT></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Wasn't that bad for me either. I had no friend (I still don't), I got picked on (much more than now), but I didn't CARE.
And I didn't realise till recently how empty not caring made my life. So I didn't feel much, one way or the other.<P>Anh Minh
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