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Postby TeleGib on Sun Aug 19, 2001 8:30 am

This does not look good for Ceilidh's self-esteem. I say Joe tells her the truth about his feelings in the next strip.<P>Any other bets?<P>Oy, somehow I knew it would be like this and I'm going to be sad.<P>------------------
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Postby TeleGib on Sun Aug 19, 2001 8:34 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Friggin' Cornflakes:
<B>I think you're gonna get poked, newbie.<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Ain't that the pot calling the kettle black...<P>------------------
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Postby Friggin' Cornflakes on Sun Aug 19, 2001 8:35 am

Shit! i thought i saw 2 posts, not 42 posts
let me delete that,...... To explain to everyone, I posted a msg in the wrong thread. I was in a hurry, I'm tired, and i think i'm going to be bitchslapped by TeleGib. My apolergeeeez.
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Postby un_owen on Sun Aug 19, 2001 8:37 am

First, i wanna say its not fair the end a clip hanger with another cliffhanger. Now a long thread about what joe is gonna say is gonna go.<P>But i hafta agree with TeleGib, but Joe hasta let her down gently or else your gonna get another Phoebe: totally bitter/depressed over lost/unreturned love.<P>U. N. Owen
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Postby IAMCANADIAN on Sun Aug 19, 2001 8:40 am

Yes, but, an abrupt end? I dont like the way that sounds. I mean maybe Joe is now going to backpedal all the way to last week when he said yes to going steady. We might get into Joe's true feelings now and ending the relationship totally, not just the sex. And I think that would suck multiple ass.
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Postby Friggin' Cornflakes on Sun Aug 19, 2001 8:41 am

Hehe, now there's a newbie almost as fresh as I am.. (referring to Owen) *Newbie foghorn blares*<P>To seriously add to this thread, I think Joe needs to be dragged out to the road and shot. Several times. Point blank. Gangsta style. <P>No, wait. If that happened, a crucial part of Avalon twistiness would be gone... Crap. No comment on Monday's strip.<P>------------------
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Postby IAMCANADIAN on Sun Aug 19, 2001 8:47 am

Is everyone missing the important part here? Who cares about the "PSL" or the nakedness? They're going to break up all together! So what if Joe doesnt get any? Poor Poor Ceilidh will be devastated, not because he wont have sex with her because of all the more important bad stuff that will ensue!
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Postby Disreali on Sun Aug 19, 2001 8:49 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TeleGib:
<B>This does not look good for Ceilidh's self-esteem. I say Joe tells her the truth about his feelings in the next strip.<P>Any other bets?<P>Oy, somehow I knew it would be like this and I'm going to be sad.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P> But we really don't know how Joe feels. He may have the hots for Ceilidh, He may just want to wait till later for nakedness. I am still hoping that he likes her and did not say "yes" just to make her feel good.<P>I really am looking forward to see how this turns out.<P>
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Postby TeleGib on Sun Aug 19, 2001 8:50 am

*backhands Friggin' Cornflakes*<P>This next one is going to be ugly, although I applaud Joe for keeping the testosterone levels in check.<P>I was hoping that he'd stop the sex and just stay with her, but that looks like a pipe dream right now. Ceilidh is going to hate him just like Phoebe does.<P>------------------
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Postby Symok on Sun Aug 19, 2001 8:54 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Disreali:
<B> But we really don't know how Joe feels. He may have the hots for Ceilidh, He may just want to wait till later for nakedness. I am still hoping that he likes her and did not say "yes" just to make her feel good.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Agreed. I think that Joe does care about her, but maybe he's just not letting himself fully realize it until now. At least he's able to control his hormones. Which is more than I could say for some of the people I know...<P>------------------
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Postby Friggin' Cornflakes on Sun Aug 19, 2001 8:55 am

Who here has seen American Pie 1 and 2? Who here sees any parallels? In other words, Ceilidh should make Joe strip for the webcam now.<P>I just realized someone might take that the wrong way. No, i don't want to see Joe strip. But I would like to see if Ceilidh is , how do you say, shaved?<p>[This message has been edited by Friggin' Cornflakes (edited 08-19-2001).]
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Postby Hai-Etlik on Sun Aug 19, 2001 8:57 am

IMHO there are three basic states of mind that Joe could be in:
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<li>Doesn't want to be her BF and is going to tell her now.</li>
<li>Doesn't want to be her BF but will keep playing along</li>
<li>Does want to be her BF</li>
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1 will very likely provoke a decidedly negative response from Ceilidh. (J+P)<P>2 will probably not work out in the long term. (A+H)<P>3 may or may not work out in the medium-long term.<P>
If it is 2 or 3 I belive he will say somthing along the lines of: she should slow down, she doesn't need to "secure" him as her BF.<P>I happen to think 2 is the worst possible situation.<P>------------------
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Postby Strangeone on Sun Aug 19, 2001 9:01 am

What Joe really needs to do now is tell Ceilidh why he doesn't want to take this step with her without hurting her.<P>Actually, not hurting Ceilidh right now might be impossible. However, he needs to be upfront and honest without outright destroying her. Despite Joe's past history in his lack of diplomacy, I think he has the ability to set Ceilidh down gently. While she'll still be upset, she won't have nearly the problems that would have resulted from Joe being too blunt, or that could have happened had he accepted her offer.<P>Don't screw this up, Joe. It could do a lot of damage.<p>[This message has been edited by Strangeone (edited 08-19-2001).]
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Postby TeleGib on Sun Aug 19, 2001 9:03 am

I just had a thought based on the twistiness of the strip.<P>"An Abrupt End" may not mean C+J here....some other relationship may be in danger. as well....possibly A/H or R/D. This may fit Josh's way of toying with us a bit better.<P>Joe is having a heart/head crisis, I think. In his heart, he may want Ceilidh, but in his mind, he thinks that it would ruin a friendship. This is the worst situation for this kind of conflict, though.<P>------------------
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Postby Friggin' Cornflakes on Sun Aug 19, 2001 9:04 am

Or maybe Joe likes Ceilidh better when everyone thought she was a lesbian.<P>Useless posts rule!
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Postby Kyousuke on Sun Aug 19, 2001 9:13 am

First post, be kind.<P>
OK, one of three things will happen here.<P>One, Joe, while staring straight into her eyes will tell her to throw something on and meet him downstairs to talk about this while he finds a bucket to soak his head in (fighting all those hormones overclock the brain).<P>Two, Joe unsuccessfully fights off Ceilidh, and she kisses him when one of her family walks in or Phoebe waiting over at Joe's sees them through a window or some other plot complication device occurs.<P>Or three, Joe will give her the towel to cover herself so he can unfix his eyes and have a serious heart to heart. This could still end up with them being seen/caught.<P>Anyway this plays out, Ceilidh will take it the wrong way. Unless Joe suggests to put something on and go downstairs and start with necking on the couch.<P>------------------
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Postby Symok on Sun Aug 19, 2001 9:15 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Strangeone:
<B>Actually, not hurting Ceilidh right now might be impossible. However, he needs to be upfront and honest without outright destroying her. Despite Joe's past history in his lack of diplomacy, I think he has the ability to set Ceilidh down gently. While she'll still be upset, she won't have nearly the problems that would have resulted from Joe being too blunt, or that could have happened had he accepted her offer.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Ceilidh is feeling very insecure right now. Joe needs to let her know that he does care for her, and that he will be there for her. But that she doesn't need to push things so far right away.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TeleGib:
<B>"An Abrupt End" may not mean C+J here....some other relationship may be in danger. as well....possibly A/H or R/D. This may fit Josh's way of toying with us a bit better.<P>Joe is having a heart/head crisis, I think. In his heart, he may want Ceilidh, but in his mind, he thinks that it would ruin a friendship. This is the worst situation for this kind of conflict, though.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>In RE to point (1), I agree with that. Personally I'm hoping its the A-H Not-relationship. *Looks up suddenly as hordes of Helene PSLers start advancing on him* Nonono! It's not that I want her to get hurt, but I think its about time that facade was ended. [*paraphrasing Kirk from TVH*] It's better for her, it's better for him, it's better for *you*.[/paraphrasing]<P>Point (2) Yes, that is a hard situation to be in. But at least he knows that she wants 'something more' as well, so it's not as big a risk as if he didn't. (one of) the things going through his mind right now are 'We can never go back to how we were now. What do I do? What do I do? WhatdoIdo? WhatdoIdoWhatdoIdoWhatdoIdo?<P>I think he'll be able to pull it off though, and let her down without hurting her. (see my response to the first quoted message)<P>------------------
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Postby IAMCANADIAN on Mon Aug 20, 2001 12:06 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TeleGib:
<B><P>"An Abrupt End" may not mean C+J here....some other relationship may be in danger. as well....possibly A/H or R/D. This may fit Josh's way of toying with us a bit better.<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I am going to concentrate purely on a negative perspective when dealing with today's strip, as I have in all my other posts regarding it. I dont see any good coming of whats going on right now for C+J, but maybe they wont break up, who knows? But what if it is Alan and Helene as mentioned above? What if Helene finally realizes Alan doesnt like her and that ends abruptly and putting Joe at risk since he obviously still wants Helene for himself. So this indirectly could jeopardize C+J's relationship. Also, C+J could end right now, since Joe seems like he might be about ready to spill it to Ceilidh. And on his rampage of truth telling, he goes after Helene despite Alan and both those relationships end abruptly?<P>See, all so very negative, at least we wont have to wait a long time to see how this turns out, right Josh? RIGHT???
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Postby Hai-Etlik on Mon Aug 20, 2001 12:42 am

An idea just occured to me, It's very unlikely, but considering the suggestion some have made that Phoebe might be suicidal, there is yet another possibility for the meaning of "An Abrupt End".<P>------------------
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Postby ktesibios on Mon Aug 20, 2001 12:47 am

The whole C pursues J theme has made me wonder <P>A. Is she acting out of attraction to Joe, or because she thinks she should Have A Boyfriend?<P>B. When I was Joe's age, would I have been able to distinguish between the two?<P>C. Even under the influence of nekkidity?<P>Probable answers:<P>A. Most likely the latter.
B. Maybe.
C. Not zarkin' likely.<P>Nevertheless, I hope they don't Break Up. It's just too much fun seeing Joe's speech centers melt down every time Ceilidh comes on to him.<P>------------------
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Postby TeleGib on Mon Aug 20, 2001 4:57 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ktesibios:
<B>The whole C pursues J theme has made me wonder <P>A. Is she acting out of attraction to Joe, or because she thinks she should Have A Boyfriend?<P>B. When I was Joe's age, would I have been able to distinguish between the two?<P>C. Even under the influence of nekkidity?
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>A. I think a little of column A, a little of column B.
B. Me? Probably not.
C. Under the influence of nudity? No fucking way.<P><P>------------------
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Postby Tangent on Mon Aug 20, 2001 5:09 am

I think Joe is going to tell her that he can't do this. That it's too big a step and it would ruin things between them. And that they should take things slower.<P>At least that's what he *wants* to say and in typical Joe fashion he'll mess it up and say he doesn't want to be with her and get her all pissed off. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"><P>Poor girl. She has a serious self-esteem problem if she feels having sex will... okay it sounds like she's like many girls in that respect. "If I have sex with him maybe he'll love me." I wonder if our dear sweet little blonde twit has done that yet with Alan. *sigh* And the truly sad thing is... it *can* work out (physical relationships), I mean just look at Deed and Ryan! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"><P>Okay, maybe I shouldn't have mentioned that, Damonk is feeling bad enough since his friends and younger self escaped his comic strip and is probably sobbing right now knowing that wild hot sexengs with Deedee are not likely to happen... <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"><P>------------------
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Postby Dandin on Mon Aug 20, 2001 5:25 am

Damn! I hope this doesn't destroy Ceilidh!! This is starting to look very bad. And I agree with others posts, about sex being love. It's only a small part of it, and she, like so many kids now, doesn't seem to realize that. And I'm very worried about Phoebe too. When I first saw that strip I thought she might be suicidal also. I'm also quite proud of Joe, he's done very well to keep his testosterone in check <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"> Thing aren't looking too bright in Avalon right now.<P>Dandin<P>------------------
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Postby Ursine on Mon Aug 20, 2001 8:49 am

To the above:
(A) More the latter than the former. She Does Not Want To Be Alone And Friendless and Joe's a good candidate.
(B) My take on my own perspectives from high school (I'm 44) tells me that Joe would be going into loops on whaddaIdonow...but yeah, I could have told the difference.
(C) This would have made things a LOT harder. All *sorts* of things.
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Postby Lochlainn10 on Mon Aug 20, 2001 9:14 am

As usual Tangent, we've said the same thing in different threads.<P>Ceilidh is desperate for attention, to the point of making a needless mistake in trying to attract Joe in such a radical way.<P>Joe is a good guy; he knows better than to give in to her. He won't let his best friend make a mistake, even if he benefits.<P>I've had the same advance made on me, and yes, it's hard to resist in the face of hormones and lust. But the tough decisions are usually the right ones. He's doing the right thing for them both.<P>He can explain it till he's blue in the face, but will she understand?<P>Loch
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