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Postby MarkusN on Sun Nov 09, 2003 2:54 am

Look at today's It's Walky and consider the possibilities!

It certainly would explain why Joe is studying a calendar with a frown.

And it's not like the folks at the It's Walky forum haven't noticed either. Took 'em a few posts though.
When I went through that strip I sorta went: "Hmm, temporal anomaly, Canada, 4th Anniversary that never should have happened. CROSSOVER TIME!"

Well, we'll see.
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Postby Mcfarlane Salsa on Sun Nov 09, 2003 5:41 am

MarkusN wrote:Look at today's It's Walky and consider the possibilities!

It certainly would explain why Joe is studying a calendar with a frown.

And it's not like the folks at the It's Walky forum haven't noticed either. Took 'em a few posts though.
When I went through that strip I sorta went: "Hmm, temporal anomaly, Canada, 4th Anniversary that never should have happened. CROSSOVER TIME!"

Well, we'll see.


Joe: Woah. It's... the Cheese. How do you we defeat it?

Alan: Fire solves everything. And if that doesn't work, we just need more fire.

Joe: I know! we can use that green branch as firewood!

Walky: NOOO!!!
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Postby MarkusN on Sun Nov 09, 2003 6:19 am

Phoebe p:s "Who are you?"

Penny p:s "Your evil twin from another dimension! Ph33r me!"


Somewhere else:

Sal p:s "Hi guys, ah'm looking for a redhead with a ponytail. Seen her anywhere 'round?"

Alan p:s "Joe, have you seen her? Have you seen her?! She's wonderful!"
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Postby GrassyNoel on Sun Nov 09, 2003 6:45 am

* Lt Hildegarde Page goes to the basement and retrieves something hard, pointy and dangerous, and it's not a pool cue

LT Page: Fear this, leetspeaking Pommy bitch!
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Postby MoronBoy on Sun Nov 09, 2003 10:31 am

And Penny is trying to bring back Ceilidh because she's a close relative of the this-dimentional Penny (the actual this-dimentional Penny having somehow died sometime earlier) so that they may study her DNA structure and have an army of ANGRY SCOTS!
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Postby showler on Sun Nov 09, 2003 7:48 pm

MoronBoy wrote:an army of ANGRY SCOTS!


Right. Because it's just so darn hard to find an angry Scot spoiling for a fight.
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Postby K A H on Sun Nov 09, 2003 9:52 pm

Ivor sneaking suspicion today's "It's Walky!" may be a further indication, given Walky's comment on "chrono inactivity". Perhaps a thinly veiled reference to the fact that, due to various mishaps and misadventures and actual adventures in the life of Our Good Cartoonist, in the last calendar year, only a few weeks have elapsed in the strip?

A full-blown crossover seems a tad far-fetched given the firm grounding in realism present in "Avalon" and the off-the-wall chaos that pervades "It's Walky!", but given the ties between Sir Josh and M'lud Willis and their mutual respect mixed with cynicism toward each other's artistry, well, anything and everything is possible, if not necessarily probable. The "Avalon" cast in a cameo role, though, is certainly in the realm of possibility (Ceilidh and Joe's cameo in a "Funny Farm" strip from around two and a half, three years ago leaps to mind).

Mind you, if the purpose is to investigate the slow passage of time in a webcomic world, when will their attention shift to "CRfH!!!", I wonder? That's been going for nearly five years and a grand total of around six or seven months has passed in that comic! :)

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Postby MarkusN on Mon Nov 10, 2003 4:54 am

K A H wrote:A full-blown crossover seems a tad far-fetched given the firm grounding in realism present in "Avalon" and the off-the-wall chaos that pervades "It's Walky!", but given the ties between Sir Josh and M'lud Willis and their mutual respect mixed with cynicism toward each other's artistry, well, anything and everything is possible, if not necessarily probable. The "Avalon" cast in a cameo role, though, is certainly in the realm of possibility.
Yep, definitely looks like a "JOSH YOU FOOL" moment now, probably in celebration of the 4th anniversary.
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Postby GrassyNoel on Mon Nov 10, 2003 6:45 am

I hope it's only a one-way sort of crossover, that doesn't interfere with Avalon's continuity. Perhaps it will explain more fully what the kids got up to during March break.
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Postby MarkusN on Mon Nov 10, 2003 7:37 am

GrassyNoel wrote:I hope it's only a one-way sort of crossover, that doesn't interfere with Avalon's continuity. Perhaps it will explain more fully what the kids got up to during March break.
I think if we had Sal crash through the fourth wall into the Avalon-Avaloniverse (or would that be through the left or right?) it would spontaneously combust.
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Postby GrassyNoel on Mon Nov 10, 2003 7:56 am

MarkusN wrote: (or would that be through the left or right?) it would spontaneously combust.


As we all know, Canada is full of communists so she'd have to approach from Stage Right!
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Postby MarkusN on Mon Nov 10, 2003 8:14 am

GrassyNoel wrote:As we all know, Canada is full of communists so she'd have to approach from Stage Right!
Bah! Walky musta misunderstood Alison.

But then, I guess that's all the same to an US-American.
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Postby Mravac Kid on Mon Nov 10, 2003 4:31 pm

GrassyNoel wrote:I hope it's only a one-way sort of crossover, that doesn't interfere with Avalon's continuity. Perhaps it will explain more fully what the kids got up to during March break.


Actually, as it's current day in IW, and Avalon was supposed to be long since over, it's quite possible to do a crossover without jeopardizing Avalon's 2002 continuity :)

And I feel there's one or two characters in Avalon that would really boost SEMME's fighting potential :)

I can already imagine it, Nancy joins SEMME and Joe goes "Heeyy, babe, whadda ya say..." and she goes "fwoosh" with the Katana, thus making him reconsider his options >:)
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Postby Galvatron56 on Mon Nov 10, 2003 9:46 pm

MarkusN wrote:
GrassyNoel wrote:As we all know, Canada is full of communists so she'd have to approach from Stage Right!
Bah! Walky musta misunderstood Alison.

But then, I guess that's all the same to an US-American.


Well, communists, fascists, and socialists look alike from the distance. They seem to have similar policies. It's all in the execution.
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Postby K A H on Tue Nov 11, 2003 1:44 am

Galvatron56 wrote:Well, communists, fascists, and socialists look alike from the distance. They seem to have similar policies. It's all in the execution.


Must be a distance that one must measure in light years; I'm no expert on political philosophy, but I do know enough to know that fascism and communism are actually direct opposites. Fascism is right-wing extremism (typified, of course, by Mussolini's Italy and, to an extent, Hitler's Germany), while communism is left-wing extremism. Admittedly, both seem to entail a government that controls absolutely every aspect of daily life, but their ideology is, as I understand, completely incompatible. In fact, I asked my AP AmHist teacher why Germany started invading its neighbours in the late 1930s in the build-up to World War II, and he mentioned that Hitler was violently opposed to communism and had his eyes on invading the Soviet Union from the start (as well as wiping out the Jewish population and wreaking revenge on the nations that had destroyed Germany's pride and economy after World War I and so forth). However, I asked him this nearly ten years ago, so my memory is imperfect. Input from learned historians and political philosophers is encouraged.

Today's "IW!" is more or less the last of the confirmation we need. It's spring in the "Avalon" timeline and someone in Sunday's "IW!" strip mentioned that it feels like spring where they are, and of course today the cast members are told to search the shops on a given street (perhaps a certain coffee shop is included?), the school (I wonder which one it might be?), and all the houses on a given road (perhaps including chez Page and chez MacFarlane?)

I can't deny feeling apprehensive, personally, given the recent track record of webcomic crossovers (and even the past track record is less than stellar) - some genres just weren't meant to meet. To be fair, a full-blown crossover is impossible given the firm grounding in realism in "Avalon" - invading aliens and temporal anomalies in "Avalon" is a bit like a performance of Bach's Brandenburg Concertos on period instruments plus a drum machine. (Wait a minute, that describes the soundtrack of every piece of anime I've ever been forced to watch. Bad analogy, as well as a partial explanation of why I don't care for the stuff.) Appearances by the "Avalon" cast seems a certainty - one in particular (and here's a hint as to whom: Neil appears to have built a shrine to her in front of which he sacrifices livestock and persons deficient in common sense every morning ;)).

(I'm kidding, Neil, I'm kidding, I mean no offence! :) Your fandom of the character in question is particularly pronounced, though - you grant that, yes? :))

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Postby Galvatron56 on Tue Nov 11, 2003 6:00 am

That's what I meant. Given their policies toward their own citizens, the two ideologies seem almost alike. I doesn't really matter that they icome from separate angles.

It's funny how communism seems like it would be this liberal, hippie-like ideal state. But in practice, Communist regimes are opressive and conservative. So was the reign of the "socialist workers", or Nazi Party. Two separate ideologies that conflict, yet behave in oddly the same way.

They look alike from a distance.
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Postby GrassyNoel on Tue Nov 11, 2003 7:03 am

K A H wrote:Appearances by the "Avalon" cast seems a certainty - one in particular (and here's a hint as to whom: Neil appears to have built a shrine to her in front of which he sacrifices livestock and persons deficient in common sense every morning ;)).

It's amazing how many such people there are around here :)

K A H wrote:(I'm kidding, Neil, I'm kidding, I mean no offence! :) Your fandom of the character in question is particularly pronounced, though - you grant that, yes? :))

:) I must, yes. In my defence, everyone has their favourite character(s). Although initially, as I recall, I said something like if Alison were a real person I wouldn't give her the time of day. Trying to find that forum reference now (July/August 2002) ... Anyway, how time do fly, especially since "Small World".

K A H wrote:Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to listen to a performance of Tchaikovsky's Symphony No.4 with an added African drum section.

I'm not as far involved with classical music as I'd like to be. Call me a Philistine, but the 1812 Overture with accompaniment by two 85mm field guns is always fun when performed in the Supreme Court Gardens here in Perth. There is a car park across the street, and soon the multitude of car alarms set off by the guns joins in.

Back to the comic(s), I wouldn't predict that Alison will appear and proceed to dispense advice across the counter of Hildegarde's to, say, a miserable Joyce. I think she's learnt that she isn't qualified. She did in fact disown the whole subject recently.

Since we don't know what happened with Noelle and her quest for the Holy Fivespot, maybe that will come out soon.
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Postby K A H on Tue Nov 11, 2003 8:07 am

Galvatron56 wrote:That's what I meant. Given their policies toward their own citizens, the two ideologies seem almost alike. I doesn't really matter that they icome from separate angles.

It's funny how communism seems like it would be this liberal, hippie-like ideal state. But in practice, Communist regimes are opressive and conservative. So was the reign of the "socialist workers", or Nazi Party. Two separate ideologies that conflict, yet behave in oddly the same way.

They look alike from a distance.


Ahh, I see what'cha mean now. Hence "it's all in the execution" (a favourite device of both types of government when dealing with dissidents, of course). I remember reading up on the basics of political philosophy for an exam when I was thirteen and being astonished to learn that Communist theory held that the people should hold the ultimate power of government, not The State - seemed to run counter to a lot of what my dad had told me about his experiences dealing with eastern European countries as a marketing rep for Rolls-Royce in the 1970s and 1980s.

Still, since I gathered that both sit at opposite extremes of theoretical philosophy, I've always been a bit jumpy when people lump fascism and communism into the same category. But, to be fair, both are examples of extremism, and all forms of government by extremism share some qualities (such as, as observed, totalitarian control of their nations, suspicion of nations using other forms of government, and zero tolerance of dissidents). Yeah, they do look similar from a distance in practice.

GrassyNoel wrote:It's amazing how many such people there are around here :)


Characters to whom people have built shrines or the people who build them to this particular one? Could be either one :) (I've no shrines to any of the characters myself, unless one counts that musical work as a shrine to eleven of the characters.)

:) I must, yes. In my defence, everyone has their favourite character(s). Although initially, as I recall, I said something like if Alison were a real person I wouldn't give her the time of day. Trying to find that forum reference now (July/August 2002) ... Anyway, how time do fly, especially since "Small World".


Agreed on both assertions (I'd be hard pressed to name my favourite character, to be honest - not even sure if I can name least favourites). How times have changed.... why, in summer of 2002 my parents still lived in England, and I with them, and I didn't have to worry about being snowed under by work towards a graduate degree, and in the world of "Avalon" the last snows of winter were starting to melt....

.... and they're still slowly melting. So perhaps some things haven't changed. Now I see why the "IW!" crew are investigating slow passage of time! ;)

K A H wrote:Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to listen to a performance of Tchaikovsky's Symphony No.4 with an added African drum section.

I'm not as far involved with classical music as I'd like to be. Call me a Philistine, but the 1812 Overture with accompaniment by two 85mm field guns is always fun when performed in the Supreme Court Gardens here in Perth. There is a car park across the street, and soon the multitude of car alarms set off by the guns joins in.


I think I remember you mentioning said style of performance in some "What are your tastes in music?" thread a year or so ago; happens every Australia Day, correct? (I think at the time I mentioned that I'd been to a performance at the Albert Hall in London (three years ago now, almost to the day) with real guns and real cannons going off at appropriate moments, though they weren't using live ammunition! (It'd be one way to get the renovations they've been undertaking there since time immemorial really moving!)

I considered using the 1812 in my signoff line, but as it already has an unorthodox percussion section, one of Tchaikovsky's more conventional works seemed more appropriate. (I had either the second or third movement (the famous scherzo pizzicato) in mind there.)

Back to the comic(s), I wouldn't predict that Alison will appear and proceed to dispense advice across the counter of Hildegarde's to, say, a miserable Joyce. I think she's learnt that she isn't qualified. She did in fact disown the whole subject recently.


No, but a cameo appearance is not out of the question; I have gathered Willis is also rather partial to her. I suppose a cameo appearance by most members of the "Avalon" cast is not out of the question. Direct interaction with the "IW!" cast.... I'm not sure how much of that we'll see. (As I mentioned, I'm not quite sure that could be believably pulled off, but M'lud Willis is a master of surprises.)

Since we don't know what happened with Noelle and her quest for the Holy Fivespot, maybe that will come out soon.


Perhaps that's what's slowing time down? Time is money, so money must be time, so until Noelle gets her fiver, the clocks in Avalon will run forever slow. :)

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Postby MarkusN on Tue Nov 11, 2003 8:14 am

Galvatron56 wrote:That's what I meant. Given their policies toward their own citizens, the two ideologies seem almost alike. I doesn't really matter that they icome from separate angles.

It's funny how communism seems like it would be this liberal, hippie-like ideal state. But in practice, Communist regimes are opressive and conservative. So was the reign of the "socialist workers", or Nazi Party. Two separate ideologies that conflict, yet behave in oddly the same way.

They look alike from a distance.

You are certainly right about that.

I don't agree if you throw each and every form of socialism into the same cauldron, though, as many Americans apparently do. There are many societies that actually work, and work quite well, with some (mark my words, some) degree of interventionism from the government. Social democracy doesn't have to go as far as a benevolent dictatorship.

Canada in particular always has seemed a country to me that strikes a good balance between interventionism, laisser faire, and just plain common sense.

(BTW, part of the paradox of communism and fascism stems from the fact that they actually correspond quite closely on one of the axes that are used to rate political systems, namely in the degree of control they exert ofer the individual freedom of their citizens (they are authoritarian). I dug for the two dimensional matrix that I once found on the net that rates political doctrines for two main aspects, but I can't find it right now, but you can rate your own beliefs here.)
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Postby MarkusN on Tue Nov 11, 2003 8:27 am

K A H wrote:No, but a cameo appearance is not out of the question; I have gathered Willis is also rather partial to her.

Yep, he is.

Neil wrote:Back to the comic(s), I wouldn't predict that Alison will appear and proceed to dispense advice across the counter of Hildegarde's to, say, a miserable Joyce. I think she's learnt that she isn't qualified. She did in fact disown the whole subject recently.
Well, the IW character most likely to encounter this situation is Robin. Remember, she's the one going downtown. Joyce can go commiserate with Hel
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Postby GrassyNoel on Tue Nov 11, 2003 8:43 am

K A H wrote:
GrassyNoel wrote:It's amazing how many such people there are around here :)


Characters to whom people have built shrines or the people who build them to this particular one?

Actually I was referring only to 'people who lack common sense' :)

K A H wrote:Now I see why the "IW!" crew are investigating slow passage of time! ;)

Initially it could have been just a joke by David on Josh, but since the IW! of 11/11 I think we have to prepare for at least a cameo if not a crossover.

K A H wrote:I think I remember you mentioning said style of performance in some "What are your tastes in music?" thread a year or so ago; happens every Australia Day, correct?

Yes, the Army lends a hand.

K A H wrote:(I think at the time I mentioned that I'd been to a performance at the Albert Hall in London (three years ago now, almost to the day) with real guns and real cannons going off at appropriate moments, though they weren't using live ammunition! (It'd be one way to get the renovations they've been undertaking there since time immemorial really moving!)

Sounds quite dangerous, even with blanks there'd be a lot of hot air coming out of those guns at a great rate, wouldn't there?

K A H wrote:No, but a cameo appearance is not out of the question; I have gathered Willis is also rather partial to her.
I think so. She starred in Nucking Futz II, after all.
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Postby MarkusN on Tue Nov 11, 2003 8:52 am

GrassyNoel wrote:She starred in Nucking Futz II, after all.
Umm, that was NUCKING FUTZ I. Which was drawn by Josh. So doesn't exactly prove a lot about David's preferences. But, yeah, he does like her.
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Postby GrassyNoel on Tue Nov 11, 2003 9:03 am

In NFII, didn't Alison set fire to Alan's clothes, drawn by DW? Hm, memory hazy, hot day here.
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Postby Doctor Emmit Brown on Tue Nov 11, 2003 9:25 am

Ok, just to clear a few things up:
Nucking Futz I was drawn by Willis, and features cameoes from many Keen comics. Alison's appearance in the first one is the only Avalon cameo.

Nucking Futz II was drawn by Josh, and features Ceilidh in only three strips.

Neither Nucking Futzes featured any of the other Avalon characters.

And Grassey, it's weird to see you post that it's so hot where you are, considering the vast majority of us here are in the northern hemisphere, and it gets rather cold in November (it was -6 C yesterday) :D
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Postby GrassyNoel on Tue Nov 11, 2003 9:40 am

Thanks for that Doc. My brain is cooking, and not in a good way either.

Today's (11/11, Remembrance Day) maximum temperature here in Perth was 40.3C (104F). It was the hottest November day for 90 years. And the [url=http://www.bom.gov.au[/url]Bureau[/url] is predicting the same again for 12/11, which is my birthday.
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