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Postby Jen Aside on Fri May 04, 2001 12:06 am

Well, why not... make it twistier...<P>Patrick IS Todd! <IMG SRC="http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/kao/cactus/nn.gif">
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Postby Tetravus on Fri May 04, 2001 12:29 am

Does anyone else get the feeling that there may be a little more to Deidre's breaking up with Patrick than just "I had to leave town"? Or is it just mifterm burnout making me see spots? Still..... if her family played a role in breaking up her and Patrick... I can see why she might want to keep Ryan under wraps (and no comments from you sick, dirty minded people out there concering the obvious alternate interpretation of my statement)....<P>It's late, and I have a paper I don't want to write.........
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Postby dumas on Fri May 04, 2001 12:45 am

Also remember when Alison talks to Joe about how to explain to Ceilidh than Joe wants to be only a friend, not more, and Alison said than you're be breaking Ceilidh the same manner he did to Phoebe. <P>My conclusion is maybe Deidre has once a relationship with...Joe!! O_o
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Postby Kaoru on Fri May 04, 2001 12:52 am

I kind of interpreted Deirdre crying as sadness over losing Patrick. Maybe she's just using Ryan as a replacement??? Holy sh**!!! That's it! That why she deverted Ryan from Phoebe!!! She was feeling all broken up about Patrick and needed some comfort!!!
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Postby Dynonychus on Fri May 04, 2001 1:36 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kaoru:
<B>I kind of interpreted Deirdre crying as sadness over losing Patrick. Maybe she's just using Ryan as a replacement??? Holy sh**!!! That's it! That why she deverted Ryan from Phoebe!!! She was feeling all broken up about Patrick and needed some comfort!!!</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Hmmm... somehow I doubt she's using Ryan as a "replacement". Reckless? Rebellious? If anything, Ryan's the polar opposite of Patrick. And she hasn't mentioned him before now, other than in passing... and <I>not</I> with fond rememberence ("I thought my last boyfriend was a decent guy. Boy was <B>I</B> wrong.")<P>However, I DO believe she's not telling the entire truth. My guess is Patrick may have done... something that proved Deirdre's parents right, something that even <I>now</I> she's unwilling to talk about. So they sent her to Guelph in a hurry, putting her into a course she didn't care for but which DID have openings... and she returned the favour by never calling again, which torqued her parental units even more.<P>No, I feel <I>something's</I> going on... I'm just looking forward to finding out <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"><P>Say... maybe Ryan will ask Phoebe some advice about Deirdre. Talk about full circle... <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"><P>------------------
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Postby Q99 on Fri May 04, 2001 1:43 am

I put the odds of Deirdre not telling the whole truth at 100%.<P>What that truth is , I shall not hazard a guess.
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Postby Usa-chan on Fri May 04, 2001 1:45 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by vision8:
<B>Except that Noelle is junior high/early high school age, so Deidre would have to have been 10-12 when she had her. Pretty unlikely. </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
True. I <B>highly</B> doubt that Noelle is Deirdre's daughter. Like vision8 said, Deirdre's 20-22 years old, and Noelle is around 10. So if you compare their ages, you can see that it's highly impossible.<P>And besides, Josh made it known that the two of them are <B>sisters,</B> right?<p>[This message has been edited by Usa-chan (edited 05-04-2001).]
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Postby gwalla on Fri May 04, 2001 2:32 am

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Postby Sterling on Fri May 04, 2001 3:20 am

But she's also probably not telling the whole truth because she's ashamed of her role in whatever it was that happened. She definitely has no feelings left over for Patrick (remember her earlier comment to Ryan about her last boyfriend) or anything like that... But there is something going on.<P>------------------
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Postby The Incredible Hatboy on Fri May 04, 2001 4:18 am

I think we can officially chalk up the "Noelle is Deedee's kid" theory as the most twisted conjecturing we've ever done seriously - I found myself honestly wondering whether it might be true. Unless there was worse stuff before I came here? (*crosses fingers*)<P>------------------
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Postby davey3000 on Fri May 04, 2001 4:31 am

Hmmm, my first thought when Deirdre turned up was that she was going to cause trouble. I suspect she does have a bit of a sinister past. The unexpected pregnancy option does seem to work quite well, but then this begs the question of what happened to the chi-<P>Hold on - how old is Noelle?<P>I've just had a thought...<P>---
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Postby Dynonychus on Fri May 04, 2001 4:39 am

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Hold on - how old is Noelle?<P>I've just had a thought...</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>LOL <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"><P>Not <I>that</I> young. Nice thought, though <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"><P><P>------------------
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Postby davey3000 on Fri May 04, 2001 4:47 am

Actually, re-reading what Deirdre said, that does seem unlikely - or does it? Hmmm - "Heck, Noelle probably hated him to"...<P>Hey, Deirdre could have had a child a year or so before leaving school. After all, we don't know when she got together with Patrick (please refresh my memory if we do...), and if she hadn't realised she was pregnant until she had the baby (which happened to a friend of someone I know) she might have been able to keep it secret for a bit.<P>Oh well, this idea is probably miles out, but still...<P>---
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Postby vision8 on Fri May 04, 2001 6:00 am

Except that Noelle is junior high/early high school age, so Deidre would have to have been 10-12 when she had her. Pretty unlikely. Plus, I think if Noelle was Deidre's kid, then Deidre would have been more concerned and annoyed with her for popping by Tim Horton's late at night several months back.
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Postby Sterling on Fri May 04, 2001 6:04 am

Another idea. Perhaps Patrick was a friend of Todds', which was another reason why Deirdre was so reluctant to go after him at the time. But then something happened with the whole Phoebe-Todd-Joe thing that made Deirdre see her boyfriend in a different light, and took the first out she had. Which just happened to be Palentology (?) at U.Guelph.<P>Patrick, meanwhile, was abducted by aliens in little purple smurf suits and had his head explode while watching "The Sound of Music". Well, its slightly more plausible than the rest of this post, no?<P>(Edit-add: Another possibility, after re-reading the comic. Deirdre was totally nuts over her boyfriend. Unfortunately, her boyfriend didn't reciprocate. He dumped her hard, just as hard as Todd dumped Phoebe, and she still hasn't quite recovered. Again, she decided to go to U.Guelph to get away from things.)<P>------------------
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Postby lostfactor on Fri May 04, 2001 6:20 am

Mayhaps Patrick had something to do with the fabled "Bradley Family Incident"?<P>I don't buy Deidre's explanation about moving away for a second - it seems like an obviously stuttered, last minute explanation that would answer the question and not require anything more. My belief is that she moved <strong>after</strong> she and Patrick broke up, not before. It's an issue that Deidre is obviously trying to skirt, which would also be congruent with what we've seen of Deidre's attitude towards the whole incident - "Just don't talk about it, certainly not to somebody outside the family".<P>My current tack is this: The event was unknown, but it is clearly of great significance. The major players are in all likelihood Mr. Bradley, Mrs. Bradley, Deidre, and Patrick, with involvement (but not active participation) by Phoebe and possibly Todd. The event forced Patrick and Deidre apart (probably for the best), and created a rift between the Bradleys and Deidre - perhaps not because of any anger or hatred, but because the event in question was so painful that it was easier to keep distance than to be reminded of it?
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Postby Darth Avatar on Fri May 04, 2001 7:31 am

Actually, here's another wierd thought on the subject...<P>What if Patrick had proposed to her and SHE rejected HIM ("I just don't think we're ready for something like that"). It's a really harsh way to get turned down (I should know, I've been there) and can actually bring about personality changes for the worse. Maybe he was a generally good guy beforehand, but that just turned it all around for him.<P>Dee looks like she's about ready to cry in the last panel of today's comic - maybe she does have some feelings left for Patrick, or at least the Patrick she remembers from when they were together. This may also be why she's with Ryan now, since he may actually be like how Patrick was before they broke up. Perhaps she's trying to hide Ryan from her parents because she doesn't want to get the whole speech about "repeating history", which she fears may create a rift between her and Ryan and further the rift between her and the rest of the Bradley clan.<P>Then again, I may be totally off-base (again).<P><P>------------------
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Postby aardvark on Fri May 04, 2001 8:06 am

"Deirdre still has conflicted feelings about Patrick" is certainly possible at this point. So is "Deirdre hates Patrick with all her heart, but was so traumatized by the ugly way her family reacted that she fears making <I>any</I> relationship public." Too soon to tell, although I lean toward the latter.<P>Of course all of this pales into insignificance next to the Burning Question Of The Day: when is Josh going to post two extra cartoons to catch up?<P>------------------
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Postby Pauline Hewitt on Fri May 04, 2001 9:54 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by aardvark:
[B"Deirdre hates Patrick with all her heart, but was so traumatized by the ugly way her family reacted that she fears making <I>any</I> relationship public. [/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>As in *They turned Patrick against me so I'm going to hide you or I'll loose you too.*? Is Deedee more than Pheobe the possible suicide attempt if Ryan gets caught with two Bradleys? Her emotions clearly still have serious bite while Feebs seems much more relaxed these days.</p>
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Postby Sterling on Fri May 04, 2001 10:46 am

Whatever the event was, it hurt Phoebe somehow, which is why I think there was some connection between Patrick and Todd. I think we can trust her when she says he was irrisponsible and rebellious - but that wouldn't be enough to set her parents and sister against her that badly.<P>I remind you that one of the first things Phoebe says to Deirdre is "You shouldn't have come back", whereas Deirdre can't remember WHY she left. Which seems to tell me that her parents were the ones who sent her off.<P>I also think she doesn't have any positive feelings left over for him. One of the first things she says to Ryan is how much of a jerk her former boyfriend was. She may still be sad about the relationship ending, but I doubt she'd do anything to Patrick if he showed up again except maybe pouring an entire pot of scalding-hot coffee on him.<P>(Edit-Add: Judging from her face in the last panel, there's only one conclusion. Something REALLY bad happened, and Deirdre got the short end of the stick. From her other comments, I say that Patrick definitely hurt her badly, and she sees a Ryan as a nice guy who she wants to help stop being so lonely.)<P>------------------
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Postby Stig Hemmer on Sat May 05, 2001 12:09 am

Well, <I>I</I> know a guy with <I>four</I> names.<P>Lets just call him Andy Bruce Cambell Dole for simplicity. (and to protect the guilty)<P>He goes by Bruce amoung friends and Bruce Cambell when there are more Bruces around.<P>So, he goes off and joins the army and they start the first day by having a roll call. "Andrew Dole!", the sergeant shouts. Nobody answers... "ANDREW DOLE!" he shouts again, and our hero start feeling sorry for the poor fellow that doesn't recognice his own name.<P>Wait a minute... Those names sounded awfully familiar... Oh Dang! Oh DANG! "Here, sarge!".<P>------------------
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Postby davey3000 on Sat May 05, 2001 12:18 am

Yeah, I'm pretty certain that we bin this theory. Ah well, it was a nice, twisty thought...<P>Now the abortion idea that's been going round some other threads seems more likely, but somehow lacks a certain twistiness. I don't know - there's something that doesn't add up here. Like what exactly happened between Joe and Deirdre? After all, Joe went to her for advice on Phoebe like Ryan went to her for advice...<P>---
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Postby Sartan Cat on Sat May 05, 2001 12:36 am

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Postby Sterling on Sat May 05, 2001 1:48 am

Patrick's <I>probably</I> not Todd. If he were, I think Joe would dislike Deirdre a LOT more than he already does. And he seemed to think that she would go after Todd, so....<P>------------------
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Postby Fink The Insane on Sat May 05, 2001 1:51 am

*Files "Kid" theory in the circular*<P>------------------
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