11-22-06 Croppin' Heads

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11-22-06 Croppin' Heads

Postby Nekodromeda on Wed Nov 22, 2006 6:32 am

Is any one else kind of...bothered by the tshirts? I don't know...maybe it's the 80-year old prude in me, but shirts that blatant just..rub me the wrong way.
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Postby ARETH on Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:49 am

No, you aren't. I find the shirts in question, fictional though they are, to be downright trashy. Then again, I'm also equally annoyed by the sorts of shirts they sell at department stores that play off of coy euphemisms---things with ads for fake industries, like 'Fantasy Football League! We ALWAYS Use Two-Hand Touches!', etc. It's not that I think sex needs to be kept behind closed doors and never, ever mentioned, but when I know anything about you and sex before I know your middle name (which would be the case when a person is WEARING their opinions), you are probably not worth talking to. I feel the same way about people who feel the need to advertise their religion/spirituality, family history, medical problems, sexual orientation, political affiliation, etc. at every available opportunity. I've always thought it was just very pathetic and attention-seeking.

That being said, my view has almost nothing to do with this strip. All of Penny's proportions are not *quite* as large as Brandi's in this strip, and it looks fabulous. It's not noticeable enough to be obvious, but still apparent, which I think is just right. Kudos to the artist! It's funny to imagine Penny being a wee bit jealous of Brandi's body. Even the queen of the school sometimes wishes that SOMEone would stop taking the limelight without even having to try.
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Postby atristain on Wed Nov 22, 2006 8:45 am

You think they'r offensive? You should see some tees at Threadless...
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Postby Lounge_Lizard on Wed Nov 22, 2006 8:53 am

That's what makes T-shirts so cool... you wear something which individualizes yourself. You can wear your favourite Band or concert that you've been to, your favourite brew, your fave movie or celebrity.
Or, a statement that you feel best promotes you, or even your fave comic! It's all about pop culture.

I can see it now, a Penny and Aggie T-shirt with your favourite statement. (Maybe a Penny and Aggie cartoon on the back at the nape of the neck??) Personally, my favourite is Stan's "I'm Moving On" shirt. For myself, I feel this best reflects myself. It can be taken many ways, but only I know what it stands for in regards to my personal life. If someone else wears it, to them, it can stand for something else - the obvious, or the not so obvious. Makes for a great conversation piece though, if the other person really wants to know the meaning behind the slogan to the person who is wearing it.

Some like to wear trashy shirts, but it's what they feel comfortable wearing. You don't have to like it. Just make your comment to yourself and "Move On"! Believe it or not, the young market loves this stuff. Which I personally attribute it to current music trends (videos, bands, rap etc. etc.) But, that's pop culture for you!

Keep up the great work Gisele! Pretty soon you'll have your own clothing line! ;-) You'll be right up there with Gwen Stefani, Sean Paul and Bono! LOL :-)
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Postby IS_Wolf on Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:31 am

Also consider this, some women wear XL t-shirts as sleeping apparel.

Probably Stan was thinking of his first time with Michelle. As opposed to the get up she was wearing before hand, which seemed to suggest she had some experience. The ye old excuse of slipping into something comfortable and then showing up in one of those t-shirts, would've helped make things a wee bit smoother. (Course, it's the imperfect fumbling and the laughing together, before things really heat up, which makes it really special.)

Remember, most of us guys prefer blunt talk when it comes to these types of subjects, as opposed to having to play the guessing game of does she or doesn't she.
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Postby Cookie on Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:47 am

Hmm, thinking about it, most of these shirts would make me roll my eyes if I saw some teens running around in those. But then, there are teenagers walking around in sweaters that read "Pornstar". I kid you not.

I guess I like the "TAKEN" one best, and I might wear it... if I, um, were taken.
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Postby Maritza Campos on Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:23 am

I thought the "Ready for my Deflowerment" was a bit too much.
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Postby SugarLeigh on Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:44 am

atristain wrote:You think they'r offensive? You should see some tees at Threadless...


Huh... I didn't really find those (at least the ones on the first page) to be offensive at all. In fact... most of them were really funny and clever. I especially enjoyed "We'll be safe in this dark, creepy barn" and "In case of emergency BREAK DANCE."

Just goes to show that everyone's tastes and ideas of what is or isn't proper are different. It's the nice part of living in a secularized society-- you can dress like a nun if you want, but you don't HAVE to. To me, if I stuck a thirteen year old in a tee shirt with "I'm so sexy I'm jealous of myself" next to a thirteen year old in an outfit that shows off every available area of skin and compare the slut factor... well uh, I'm afraid that girl in the tee is still quite modest and covered compared to her counterpart. And perhaps she thought the tee was funny, and wears it to "stick it to 'em."
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Postby S. Edmund on Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:06 pm

I have a good load of shirts from threadless, and only once has anyone found a cause to be offended-and they were still laughing at it anyways.

but these shirts are a bit much. I didn't like some of them because they were trying too hard to be witty or way too cocky. and considering these are teenagers, it's just enough to groan at. and brandi's shirt, well, that's like getting on your knees and pulling on people's pant legs for attention. plus, I'd worry about her safety. if a hot girl like brandi wore that to my highschool, she'd never have a moment to herself after (best case scenario0.
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Postby daanton on Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:10 pm

"Besides, Scott McCloud says the fewer recognizable traits a body has, the easier it is to identify with."

"So when Penny protests, this is all MCCLOUD's fault."
=ahem=
Scott McCloud Inc. wrote:I hardly endorse this programme, comic strip or product.

Besides, find us the source, T and Gisèle... if you please! 8)
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Postby daanton on Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:14 pm

And anyway...

Maritza Campos wrote:I thought the "Ready for my Deflowerment" was a bit too much.


Besides, it sounds almost as dangerous as "Longing to get Laid", or even "Sooo ready to Score".
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Postby TCampbell on Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:33 pm

daanton wrote:
"Besides, Scott McCloud says the fewer recognizable traits a body has, the easier it is to identify with."

"So when Penny protests, this is all MCCLOUD's fault."
=ahem=
Scott McCloud Inc. wrote:I hardly endorse this programme, comic strip or product.

Besides, find us the source, T and Gis
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Postby daanton on Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:51 pm

Thanx, T---, I appreciate the source verification. :wink:


For his own ends, eh? Like misinterpreting the Bible or the Quran?
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Postby ARETH on Wed Nov 22, 2006 6:09 pm

I'm not sure I understand the reference here. Yes, Scott McCloud said that, and yes, it's somewhat related to the discussion, but what's it doing there? So are we saying that Stan is a driven, do-it-yourself carpe-diem kind of guy who also reads books on the philosophy of art in a storytelling medium? Is it supposed to be a meta-reference to the whole comic, a sort of wink-wink nudge-nudge "these characters know they're in a comic" thing, or what? It's a bit overspecific and it doesn't make a lot of sense. The line is weird coming out of Stan, although I can't think of anyone in the strip that it would suit. It's...strange.
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Postby JK9000 on Wed Nov 22, 2006 6:50 pm

Wow, what a coincidence. We just went over Understanding Comics, Chapter 2 by Scott McCloud in my English class a few days ago.

Anyways, glad to see some storyline creeping back into hear. Also glad to hear from Jack again.
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Postby Archon Divinus on Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:15 pm

Maritza Campos wrote:I thought the "Ready for my Deflowerment" was a bit too much.


I found that to be extremely creepy, but I think "deflower" is an inherently creepy word.
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Postby isobel on Thu Nov 23, 2006 2:04 am

We've already been over the fact that pre-teens, teenagers, and even some people beyond that age wear pretty shocking stuff already-- think of those Playboy cropped tees, or the (argh argh gag I hate seeing these on campus) sweatpants with saucy things written across the ass. So we all know that taste is a relative thing, as is what's appropriate for kids and teens.

What we seem to have missed that the one making these tees is Stan, who is long on ideas but short on thinking things over. He might have thought this was a great idea to clear everything up and end teen dating awkwardness, but only people like Jack would stop and think that some of this stuff should perhaps not be on a tee-shirt. He means well, but Stan is not exactly what anyone'd call subtle. They may seem creepy to us, but to Stan they're some kinda philanthropic genius. :lol:
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Postby daanton on Thu Nov 23, 2006 7:43 am

ARETH wrote:I'm not sure I understand the reference here. Yes, Scott McCloud said that, and yes, it's somewhat related to the discussion, but what's it doing there? So are we saying that Stan is a driven, do-it-yourself carpe-diem kind of guy who also reads books on the philosophy of art in a storytelling medium? Is it supposed to be a meta-reference to the whole comic, a sort of wink-wink nudge-nudge "these characters know they're in a comic" thing, or what? It's a bit overspecific and it doesn't make a lot of sense. The line is weird coming out of Stan, although I can't think of anyone in the strip that it would suit. It's...strange.

It's just Scott McCloud is deemed an authority on comics and comic-making, and to hear Stan refer to him like that makes me think Stan almost reveres him.

:-| Dense crowd.
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Postby Starline on Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:04 am

Archon Divinus wrote:
Maritza Campos wrote:I thought the "Ready for my Deflowerment" was a bit too much.


I found that to be extremely creepy, but I think "deflower" is an inherently creepy word.


I agree. That one creeps me out as well.
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Postby JK9000 on Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:54 am

ARETH wrote:I'm not sure I understand the reference here. Yes, Scott McCloud said that, and yes, it's somewhat related to the discussion, but what's it doing there? So are we saying that Stan is a driven, do-it-yourself carpe-diem kind of guy who also reads books on the philosophy of art in a storytelling medium? Is it supposed to be a meta-reference to the whole comic, a sort of wink-wink nudge-nudge "these characters know they're in a comic" thing, or what? It's a bit overspecific and it doesn't make a lot of sense. The line is weird coming out of Stan, although I can't think of anyone in the strip that it would suit. It's...strange.


Except Stan isn't saying it, Jack is. Since Jack draws and directs and other creative storytelling stuffs, it's not so wierd that he's read up on it, is it?
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Postby ARETH on Thu Nov 23, 2006 9:09 am

re: Miss Daanton: I wasn't questioning the actual, literal meaning of the reference; nor was I questioning what it meant to Stan. My question was about WHY it was appropriate in light of Stan's character and how it seemed out of place in the context of the comic/conversation. In the future, assume that words mean things.


I feel as though Aggie is going to make an appearance in this storyline, even if it's just in the background. She's definitely the sort to express herself through T-shirts, and even if none of these sentiments appeal to her, I think she'll have something to say about how the girls are being exploited or how it's corporate brainwashing or something equally panicky. Besides, it's been a while since we've seen her interact with Penny, and a lot has happened since then.
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Postby IS_Wolf on Thu Nov 23, 2006 9:42 am

Maritza Campos wrote:I thought the "Ready for my Deflowerment" was a bit too much.


Oh, I don't know. Would've been rather appropriate for either Dave or Margeret at one point.. :wink:

For those not in the know, that was a CRFH!!! reference, those two characters both lost their virginity to each other in a field of sunflowers. And Margeret is known to wear T-shirts with slogans on them, though in her case it's usually stuff like: DIE!!! or Frag You! which considering her weapon's arsenal.. Well, there might be more truth to that slogan than most folks might be comfortable with. :lol:
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Postby Freemage on Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:19 pm

Yeah, the "Deflowerment" tee was definitely over-the-top; otoh, I've seen lots of over-the-top stuff.

Example 1: At Disneyland this past weekend, a girl wearing camo sweatpants with the word "Peace" across her tuckus. So many ways to comment....

Example 2: T-Shirt Hell. Warning--this one is NOT for the weak-of-heart or easily-offended. OTOH, I have ordered a few of the shirts (some of the baby ones, actually, for a couple of friends who loved them--particularly "Cuter than Baby Jesus" and "My IQ is higher than the President's!"). But most of them fall into the category of, "Read them online, laugh, but don't actually BUY one."
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Postby ARETH on Thu Nov 23, 2006 11:26 pm

I don't find T-Shirt Hell half as offensive as the shirts here---that's probably because the former are so over-the-top, obviously ridiculous, and worn by people who know better. I think a lot of it has to do with the shirt being worn by teenagers. It's already a pretty blatant statement: no matter how you slice it, it's not very classy, but when it's on kids who are so young, it becomes downright creepy.
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Postby Merigold on Fri Nov 24, 2006 1:48 am

The T-shirts Stan is advertising aren't very appealing to me. I can much more easily find something I'd like to wear at either the Tshirt Hell or Threadless Type Tees. But for fictional Tshirts, they work fine.

None are recommended that the authors sell for real, though. I don't think that'd be a success.

The problem is, sort of, the concept: I got the feeling Stan was trying to market specific messages, like the greeting cards of shirts. But it's the funnier or more off-beat things people would rather wear - since a Tshirt is saying it to everyone who sees you, and the things Stan's shirts are saying are things you'd want to only say to specific people, not the world in general.

Also, they lack irony. One thing that both Threadless and Tshirt Hell have in spades is irony. "Bitch better have my hunny!" by a pimp outfitted Pooh Bear? "I like movies, long walks on the beach, and cliches"? "Meat is Murder. Tasty, Tasty Murder"?

Potentially offensive - but full of humor and irony.

Maybe "I'm ready for my deflowerment, Mr. De Mille" or something like here: https://www.goodstorm.com/stores/redgag "Deflowe[RED]" where there's something obvious it's mocking - turning the overly obvious into something passable as humor to the un-intented audience for the direct message.

Or the "modestyzone" joke Tshirt that was so demanded it became real: tired of people saying you're sexually repressed? The tshirt says "At least I'm not emotionally repressed." see... irony on Tshirts is what will sell. At least, if you want to say something controversial. Irony and/or humor defuses the controversy and makes it ok to wear - just as the same qualities make it ok to say potentially offensive things in comedy 'news' programs like Daily Show and Politically Incorrect that they wouldn't say on the regular news - people might say them seriously to each other - but when you're broadcasting, which is what a Tshirt does, you are more circumspect.
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