Tsarevna_Erin wrote:Please tell me you're joking about this. If you're being assaulted, you kick, punch, scream, do what it takes to get away. Period. If you are unable to, either because your life is being threatened with a weapon to your throat and/or you are being held down by someone who is twice your weight, that's one thing. Karen is not forcing him. In the shower, Marshall had no problem being proactive in keeping her away. If you want to make the argument that she's worn down his defences, fine. But it's still not rape, and if he has a way out of there, just as he had a way out in the shower, and is allowing her to touch him, then I can't necessarily blame Karen for assuming that he's implicitly giving her permission to continue. I do know that some rape victims go into catatonic states to avoid dealing with the trauma of their assualts, so they "lay" there and it seems as if they are aquiesing to the assualt. I just don't see that going on here.
That doesn't make what Karen is doing a good thing. But to equate this with rape angers me a great deal.
Erin, legally at least, when someone says no and the other person keeps going, that's rape. What that means is that there are very different types of rape, some far worse than others.
If you decide that you will rid yourself of an enemy by slitting his throat instantaneously in his sleep, it is far better than torturing him to death slowly. But both are still murder. It's not an insult to the torture victim to say that the throat-slitting is murder too.
I mean, I dunno, maybe the law should be changed so that it's only called "rape" if physical force is involved, and other kinds of nonconsensual sex are just classed as "sexual assault" or the like. And we don't *have* to accept the law's definition, either. But if you're angry and insulted and offended that people are calling this rape - well, you've just got angry at the accepted, codified official definition of the term in most countries that I know of (not counting those where marital rape is legal, or the like...) There are reasons why nonconsensual sex is generally classed as rape. Are they good ones? Maybe not... but they're certainly not there to belittle the suffering of people who have been physically forced into sex.
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