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I hate Aggie

Postby quitejaded on Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:00 pm

I just always wondered if I was alone when I say "I hate Aggie".

I hope I"m not confusing their names.

The one with short hair.

The one who thinks she knows everything.

She's so illogical, irrational, unrealistic and just dumb. It drives me nuts. If I had to go to school with her, I'd crush her. Luckily, there's nobody like that at my high school. :D One good thing is that you can see throughout the comics that she's growing up. Hopefully by the time she graduates, she'll no longer be so irritating.

I've always liked Penny.

So I wonder which one do you guys hate? Or if you like them both, what other character do you hate?

Now that I think of it, I never liked Marshall. He seems like a tight ass. He probably has a stupid sense of humour. I also don't like the chubby he's dating. I think she has issues.

There, that's my rant. Though I always seem to be ranting on this board.
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Postby oddtail on Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:16 pm

Frankly? I like most all of the characters, even those generally, apparently, disliked by people (like Karen, or recently Marshal - just because they display bad sides of their character people immediately start disliking them). They are all quite deep and realistic. They are all kids, too (except Nick and Charisma), so I get nostalgic when reading about them. Besides, I can relate to most of them in one way or another.

I don't like the way Aggie is behaving too much, but I understand her. She's just sort of desperate for a direction, for something "deeper" in life. Hence her weird behavior. I think that Penny has her priorities less mangled - she's acting more reasonable - even if *I* don't think popularity is that important, she does, and has the guts to admit it. But that doesn't make Aggie "bad". She's just hugely different.
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Re: I hate Aggie

Postby L-ren on Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:23 pm

quitejaded wrote:
Now that I think of it, I never liked Marshall. He seems like a tight ass. He probably has a stupid sense of humour. I also don't like the chubby he's dating. I think she has issues.


Um.. Am I the only one offended that you referred to Karen as the 'The Chubby'? Seriously, what is up with that? That is NOT cool.

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Postby oddtail on Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:33 pm

L-ren --> I'm not OFFENDED by his calling Karen this way. I mean - Karen is a fictional character, after all. It's not healthly to get offended by things like that =).

But I agree - "the chubby" is an unnice description of her. Besides, chubby or not, she's pretty hawt (IMO). And yes, she's got issues - like most teenagers ;).
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Postby isobel on Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:43 pm

My 0.02 is that calling her "the chubby" is meant to insult her as a character, because that's what we do to people we don't like. Karen's issue happens to be her weight, so the best way for haters to dump on her is to pick on that. You could just as easily call her "maneater," for her sexual preoccupation and low necklines, or "backstabber" for what she pulled with Penny and Aggie, or any other thing you felt like. It's just more...satisfying when you pick a mean nickname for someone that you know would sting them. That's a big tangent, but hell, I don't think we all need another weight debate. Sometimes, a jab is just a jab.

Anyhoo...I'm not a fan of Sara's. I'm sure we'll get some background on this, but as of right now, she's shown herself to be a catty, self-obsessed, judgemental beast. This is even with me making allowances for her age and social status. She's manipulative, two-faced and hostile (I know teens "hate" their parents, but she really laid into her dad for nothing), and she's at least as inflexible as Charlotte. We haven't seen her do anything nice; she only went Christmas shopping to belittle, confuse and change people she's supposed to like. She's like Veruca Salt without the charm.
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Postby S. Edmund on Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:51 pm

I've never liked Marshal, he's always seemed a bit of a prick to me. the whole sex thing didn't really change my opinion on him-just made him seem a bit more unrealistic.

I honestly don't think any of the male characters are realistic. a lot of the characters seem like they're presenting one sterotype, and that's it. you have the nerd, the queen bee, the skater, the hippy type chick, the religious zealot, and so on. the only one who isn't is kathy-ann, and she's downright annoying.

Rich in particular has always annoyed me the most when it came to sterotypes, though. which is weird, because he's probably the only character I really like. well, him, sara, and aggie's dad.
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Postby snowp14 on Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:57 pm

Charlotte, by far, although "hate" is a pretty strong word when referring to fictional characters. I don't like hypocritical people, especially hypocritical Christians.
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Postby oddtail on Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:01 pm

snowp14 wrote:Charlotte, by far, although "hate" is a pretty strong word when referring to fictional characters. I don't like hypocritical people, especially hypocritical Christians.


Yeah, I forgot about this one. Charlotte would be the only character I dislike right now, if any.

On the other hand... I still can understand her to an extent, perhaps sympathise (is that how you spell it?) with her. But she's not really a likeable character, no.
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Re: I hate Aggie

Postby Ollie_Vera on Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:03 pm

L-ren wrote:Um.. Am I the only one offended that you referred to Karen as the 'The Chubby'? Seriously, what is up with that? That is NOT cool.
Possibly.

She's fictional, and she is very very hateable. isobel explained it quite well.

And no, QJ, you are NOT alone. Aggie irritates me, too. I hope her latest twist towards the uprising against copywrite is explained thuroughly, because as an artist who was recently scared by the Orphan Act, I don't exactly agree with her. Although in general everything she does pisses me off.

Harassing someone constantly because you don't like their clique is so 9th grade. :roll:
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Postby Yamaoni on Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:22 pm

Personally, I don't think I could say that I hate any of the characters.. but I felt I had to comment on the idea that Aggie was unrealistic..

plenty of people act erratically in real life, and I know at least one girl who I see as an almost perfect mirror of Aggie.. artistic, politically active and bordering on bi-polar. she might irritate, but she's not unrealistic.
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Postby Black Mantha on Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:04 pm

Welcome to the boards, Yamaoni.
isobel wrote:Anyhoo...I'm not a fan of Sara's. I'm sure we'll get some background on this, but as of right now, she's shown herself to be a catty, self-obsessed, judgemental beast. This is even with me making allowances for her age and social status. She's manipulative, two-faced and hostile (I know teens "hate" their parents, but she really laid into her dad for nothing), and she's at least as inflexible as Charlotte. We haven't seen her do anything nice; she only went Christmas shopping to belittle, confuse and change people she's supposed to like. She's like Veruca Salt without the charm.

snowp14 wrote:Charlotte, by far, although "hate" is a pretty strong word when referring to fictional characters. I don't like hypocritical people, especially hypocritical Christians.

And these two we haven't learned much about yet. Not a coincedence, I think.

If it's true that total understanding means total forgivence, doesn't that mean that all anger is a mistake resulting from too much information?

But even if the awnser is yes, that doesn't change everything. Logic doesn't change emotion, it's hard to counteract emontion's influence with emotion, and often people don't try. This includes me.
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Postby quitejaded on Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:16 pm

First of all, I am a FEMALE.

Second of all, I don't apologize for calling her 'the chubby'. I forgot her name (as I forget most character's names) and 'the chubby' is how I remember her. How is it an insult if its true? Bwaha. ;D Either, yah. Its a fictional character. I can't hurt her feelings.

And I don't dislike them for recent strips. I've ALWAYS disliked both of them. Well, Karen... I liked her when she was 'evolving' but when she started dating Marshall, it seemed to me she has issues and I just didn't like her.

Teens have issues? I KNOW that. I AM a teen. I'm surrounded by them daily, but MOST people have issues, you know? Whether they be teens, children, or adults. Karen's issues are just too much for me.

Yamaoni wrote:plenty of people act erratically in real life, and I know at least one girl who I see as an almost perfect mirror of Aggie.. artistic, politically active and bordering on bi-polar. she might irritate, but she's not unrealistic.

Okay, do you not know what I meant by 'unrealistic'? I meant that her thinking is UNREALISTIC. She doesn't think about REALITY. Get it? People like that are fine until they open their mouth and impose themselves on everyone. I know plenty of girls at school who are unrealistic. As long as they shut up and look pretty, that's fine by me. Haha.

Which one is Charlotte and Sara? (Where's that know ur chars strip?)
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Postby snowp14 on Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:12 pm

Which one is Charlotte and Sara? (Where's that know ur chars strip?)


This one is Charlotte: http://www.pennyandaggie.com/d/20060628.html . She's the angry girl.

This is Sara: http://www.pennyandaggie.com/d/20060424.html

I don't think they did a strip on Charlotte in the "Names" story arc.
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Re: I hate Aggie

Postby Yuko no Slayer-Dryad on Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:47 pm

quitejaded wrote:I just always wondered if I was alone when I say "I hate Aggie".

I hope I"m not confusing their names.

The one with short hair.

The one who thinks she knows everything.

She's so illogical, irrational, unrealistic and just dumb. It drives me nuts. If I had to go to school with her, I'd crush her. Luckily, there's nobody like that at my high school. :D One good thing is that you can see throughout the comics that she's growing up. Hopefully by the time she graduates, she'll no longer be so irritating.

I've always liked Penny.

So I wonder which one do you guys hate? Or if you like them both, what other character do you hate?

Now that I think of it, I never liked Marshall. He seems like a tight ass. He probably has a stupid sense of humour. I also don't like the chubby he's dating. I think she has issues.

There, that's my rant. Though I always seem to be ranting on this board.


Drop the "seem to ".

As for P&A characters that I, to be specific, find repugnant, they would include:

Sara - I've always had a problem with people who express their insecurity by being distainful to others. Good thing she is so quiet about it.

Rich - There really isn't anything I've seen in him that everybody else didn't see. A working class, male version of what Penny was before the actual strip action took place.

Cyndi - My first impression of her was that of a deputante currently "slumming it" by attending a high school for normal mainstream society people. Must've been the stole.

Samantha - We've seen next to nothing about her, but what I have seen leads me to think she is a bit reactionary, and 25 years of living in the deep South has caused me to develop a silent but heavy contempt for reactionary people.
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Postby Archon Divinus on Wed Sep 06, 2006 6:09 pm

Aggie does bug me a fair bit. I can't stand how she seems to be as much dedicated to looking like an activist as actually being one, leading to political activism being her entire personality, which is pretty unapealing. I like Penny quite a bit more, because she less self-rightous, and I kinda expect her to be shallow anyway, so I'm less suprised when she is. Plus, she's just a lot more likable somehow.

I hate Charlotte for her evangilism and her attempt to destroy Katy-Ann. I also dislike Tharqua, Daphne and Fred, because their so filled with contempt for the popular kids, and I don't like people who care about popularity (wheter they have it or not).

Edit: I also hate Marshall.
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Postby JackFairy on Wed Sep 06, 2006 8:03 pm

I hate Aggie, too. And I'm a socialist vegan artsy-gothy chick. But Aggie's always been awful, though she's been slightly improving lately. She seems to like ideas, and to have theories, but she rarely carries it out in life... and she's much more selfish with other people than Penny ever was. I mean, she was introduced into the comic when she randomly insulted Penny and her friends as they were walking by. In my school, people who insulted others without provocation were usually called bullies or worse. I'm also fond of the incident referenced earlier in this thread, where she found Penny working in that store and set about making her life miserable "just for fun." And later, when she ran out on her lunch break to buy Penny's exact outfit so that she could embarass Penny--not only was that ridiculously petty and far more mean-spirited than anything Penny's ever done to her, but she admitted that the outfit cost a fair amount of money--so she threw tons of money away on clothes she didn't need just to stand Penny up on a whim. That's disgusting to me, and seems totally against Aggie's would-be anti-consumerist principles.

In contrast, I only remember Penny actually being mean to Aggie twice or so, and one of those times I'd say she had understandable provocation. All other times they clashed were usually the result of misunderstanding, and sometimes Penny was even trying to help or be nice to Aggie, and Aggie didn't stay to ascertain the situation and stormed off.

Marshall's annoying, too. Don't mind Karen as a character though--at least she's interesting. Marshall's dull as a board, uptight, preachy, and yet everyone's supposed to think he's wonderful. Aggie's preachy and uptight too though, so they'd actually make a good pair.
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Postby LeonardC on Wed Sep 06, 2006 8:52 pm

I'm surprised nobody mentioned Stan. He's the one who's bugged me the most - during the election campaign above all. Superficial, manipulative, dishonest, and I've noticed few redeeming qualities to make up for it. Even his self-confidence popped when Rich looked at him the wrong way. At least he had the decency to give Brandi some tongue or finger action (or so it looked), but that's not a whole lot.

Can't say I'm too fond of Charlotte either, but she doesn't really bother me as much - maybe just because she's one of the Omegas. Unlike Stan, she kind of seems to be getting what she deserves.
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Postby Freemage on Thu Sep 07, 2006 1:02 am

I gotta say, the thing that bugged me most about this particular rant was the timing. We've just come off a fairly sizeable character growth for Aggie. She's showing signs of maturing, of really trying to find the right way.

A few story arcs ago, I would've found this a lot more plausible, but this was a bit much.

The use of "the chubby" for Karen was fairly telling for me, too. Sorry, but if the rant had been anti-Penny, and included the line, "And I don't care much for that Oreo [1] she was dating for awhile, either," folks would probably be pretty damned upset, and justifiably so. There's a lot to knock on Karen for--the assessment that she 'has issues' was fairly spot-on. But picking on the weight thing, specifically? That's more about your issues, not hers.

[1--since there's always at least one person who doesn't get a reference like this] "Oreo": Derogatory slang in the U.S. for blacks who largely have assimilated into middle-class WASP settings; the reference is to being 'black on the outside, white on the inside'. Disturbingly enough, it's most commonly heard in the black community.
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Postby JackFairy on Thu Sep 07, 2006 12:11 pm

Freemage wrote: Disturbingly enough, it's most commonly heard in the black community.


Well, duh. Whites WANT black people to assimilate. Assimilation is what makes "good" minorities.

As for the chubby comment, yes, that was needlessly insulting and really has very little to do with Karen's issues. And sure, Aggie's been growing a bit. But that doesn't invalidate the main point of the post, especially as she's still annoying. (Though I think the fact that many people are distracted by the "chubby" thing might be a good lesson--don't use incendiary or offensive wording in your posts if you actually want people to read and pay attention to them!)
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Postby Archon Divinus on Thu Sep 07, 2006 12:36 pm

Actually, the chubby coment has eveything to do with Karen's issues, and yes she is a little chubby. It is an apt discription. People who take offense at it are oversensitive.
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Postby rcmonroe on Thu Sep 07, 2006 1:29 pm

JackFairy wrote:Well, duh. Whites WANT black people to assimilate. Assimilation is what makes "good" minorities.


JackFairy wrote: don't use incendiary or offensive wording in your posts if you actually want people to read and pay attention to them!


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Postby L-ren on Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:11 pm

yeeeaaaah

well, since everyone seems to be on the fence/confused themselves about the chubby comment. Maybe we should alllll just forget it.

Besides, I wasn't offended because I felt like it was an insult to Karen. I don't even like Karen that much (although I don't 'dislike' her). It offended me because there was no real reason stated as to why she was hated, she was just 'chubby', and therefore dislikeable. But now I see Karen is hated for SO MANY reasons!

I geuss the moral of this story is - remember character's names.

Other than that I don't have anything to contribute to this topic. i don't really dislike any of the characters.

BESIDES, if you exert the energy into HATING a FICTIONAL character, then you are just WAAAAAAAAY too sensitive :lol: (j/k, j/k, don't kill me).
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Postby Ollie_Vera on Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:39 pm

Freemage wrote:I gotta say, the thing that bugged me most about this particular rant was the timing. We've just come off a fairly sizeable character growth for Aggie. She's showing signs of maturing, of really trying to find the right way.

I actually do agree that Aggie is much MUCH less irritating than she was in the beginning, especially since she doesn't seem to just chase around Penny to make poor Pen miserable.

But she's still annoying. :)

The use of "the chubby" for Karen was fairly telling for me, too. Sorry, but if the rant had been anti-Penny, and included the line, "And I don't care much for that Oreo [1] she was dating for awhile, either," folks would probably be pretty damned upset, and justifiably so. There's a lot to knock on Karen for--the assessment that she 'has issues' was fairly spot-on. But picking on the weight thing, specifically? That's more about your issues, not hers.

Her issues? Really?

I don't really think she would have said something like "that Oreo" because I don't think Duane finds his behavior embarassing or anything to be ashamed of despite being black (not implying anything, here). Karen is obviously unsatisfied with her weight, although more comfortable than before, and calling her "that Chubby" directly instead of her real name would be a more stinging insult. If Karen was more likeable I'm sure QJ would have worded it better. Previous poster said it than I'm trying to, anyway.
[1--since there's always at least one person who doesn't get a reference like this] "Oreo": Derogatory slang in the U.S. for blacks who largely have assimilated into middle-class WASP settings; the reference is to being 'black on the outside, white on the inside'. Disturbingly enough, it's most commonly heard in the black community.

It's about as disturbing as why whites can't call their black friends "Nigga" without landing themselves in doo-doo.
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Postby JackFairy on Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:51 pm

rcmonroe wrote:
JackFairy wrote:Well, duh. Whites WANT black people to assimilate. Assimilation is what makes "good" minorities.


JackFairy wrote: don't use incendiary or offensive wording in your posts if you actually want people to read and pay attention to them!


Oops.


What was offensive about my post? Unless you can't bear the thought that racism still exists and that institutional racism is quite thriving?
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Postby L-ren on Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:58 pm

Another good example of a derogatory remark next to the 'oreo' one would be if a P&A character was gay (no one is [yet] but we can pretend) and someone forgot their name and just said "I don't like the fag either".

but ok, ok, ok, let's just close this discussion with a *facepalm* before we all get TOO trollish.

Everyone has a different perception, and it is clear everyone has their own non-negotioble boundaries with what is appropriate and what isn't. So lets just leave it at that.
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