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Papuasblya wrote:Get out while you can, Kim. You're right, they are idiots.
Alli had every right to tell Max. She's with him now, and Max had every right to at least know he had a kid (see above).
MildlyOnFire wrote:
Edit: and the tramp comment goes to show what I suspected about the readership, too. If Kim were a man with a similar sexual history and proclivity, you'd be praising him, right?
Mankowitz wrote:Kim is a murderer and a whore; This story will be far better off without the likes of her.
MildlyOnFire wrote:This comic is full of infuriatingly idiotic people,
SAGG wrote:Papuasblya wrote:Get out while you can, Kim. You're right, they are idiots.
And so is Kim.
She should've at least told Max about the baby. He couldn't have stopped her from having an abortion anyway, though I'm sure he would've tried. Being a young college student is no excuse. She had sex with him just to use him.
Speaking of using, she did that with Chip, leading him on sexually. Chip didn't have the sexual problem. Kim did.
Alli had every right to tell Max. She's with him now, and Max had every right to at least know he had a kid (see above).
As for Lydia, here is the only thing she's right on. What Lydia did was wrong, and she needs to atone for her deed.
Yeah, everyone's acting like a jerk, but Kim old girl, you're not innocent, either. You could've added yourself like I pointed out, and then you could've been right on the money. Don't think you've made an "awesome" point just to shut everybody up.
MildlyOnFire wrote:Alli had every right to tell Max. She's with him now, and Max had every right to at least know he had a kid (see above).
Many people are under the (in my opinion) erroneous assumption that when they are told something in confidence, they have every right to share that bit of confidential information with their spouse. After all, you are equal to your spouse, right? You are the SAME PERSON. If I trust you, I MUST trust some dude I may or may not like or have even met. It's a stupid girl trick (I don't think I've encountered a man who does it). It shows a fundamental lack of respect for personal boundaries and, by extension, a fundamental lack of respect for your friends' privacy.
This comic is full of infuriatingly idiotic people, but the art is solid and the storyline periodically engaging enough for me to keep reading. The whole bit where Alli and Max moved in together to solve their problems magically, the inability for anyone to hold a straightforward non-cliched conversation...thank god someone said out loud (my favorite character too...one with some amount of depth) what I am guessing a non-small percentage of the viewing public feels.
Edit: and the tramp comment goes to show what I suspected about the readership, too. If Kim were a man with a similar sexual history and proclivity, you'd be praising him, right?
Many people are under the (in my opinion) erroneous assumption that when they are told something in confidence, they have every right to share that bit of confidential information with their spouse.
You've just encountered a man who does it.(I don't think I've encountered a man who does it)
The Hop Goblin wrote:Many people are under the (in my opinion) erroneous assumption that when they are told something in confidence, they have every right to share that bit of confidential information with their spouse.
Part of the reason that modern marriages fail so miserably is the absurd need to be some secrets kept from the spouse, overpraising individuality over the relationship of the marriage. Yes - they do have that right, that's what married couples do. In a marriage two people become, effectively, one unit - and only 1000% honesty will keep you going with as little problems as possible. The moment you start keeping even tiny secrets, you begin a snowball effect.
My wife and I became, essentially, the same person - just different sides of that person; long before we were married, infact. For the people who didn't like it, and did not respect the union that was, were basically dropped. I certainly did not want to keep secrets away from the one person I should be allowed to share everything with, and vice verca. When you start expecting that your friendship is above the honesty and truthfulness of an established relationship, then you are dishonoring that relationship and the people in it. When you become bitter about how much honesty there is in their relationship, your quality as a friend is in question.
So don't tell anyone that is married and/or in a decent relationship if you don't like their significant other, because odds are it will be talked about. Choose someone else to disgorge your emotional baggage on - or if you are that worried about secrecy, don't tell anyone. I wouldn't tell a cop that I broke the law and expect him to keep it under wraps, it would be unfair to that person as they have a comitment and responsibility that would be far more important than my friendship.You've just encountered a man who does it.(I don't think I've encountered a man who does it)
I don't necessarily look down on Kim for being sexually promiscuous - that's a stupid societal urge that's been bred into us for the past couple thousand years. Go her, she enjoys herself and, odds are, so do her partners. When we persecute females for sexual promiscuity, but praise males for it - who do we expect males to be promiscuous with? However, she should be abit more honest with her partners, and post-partners. Honesty precludes fault when someone gets hurt by a situation and/or actions when it was outlined to begin wtih. Example: Chip, this will simply be a sexual relationship, and I will not be emotionally attached to you or the situation. If you feel you can't handle this, then this won't work.
Honesty is both the hardest and easiest thing in the world. Once you keep honesty as your primary practice, so many things in life are enriched. People will like you for you, people can trust you as they will know you, your relationships will be rich with trust, and you will always know you are loved for who you really are, the good and the bad. Noone can prosecute you for misleading anyone, or lying to anyone. It's just reaching the decision for complete honesty that is hard.
As for the comment of; "It's her body, she can choose to tell him or not", certainly she does - doesn't make it any less of a dishonest and scumbag move. His body (or secretions thereof) were part of the child. And it's funny that most often the ones that scream loudest of "it's her body, she can do what she wants" are also the ones that scream loudest for child support when the consequences of the choice are born.
Mankowitz wrote:Kim is a murderer and a whore; This story will be far better off without the likes of her.
MURPHYCHACHO wrote:And Lydia is mature? Are we talking about the same Lydia who, when her boyfriend was being held against his will in a club, instead of calling the police, got everyone she knows involved?
MURPHYCHACHO wrote:And Rachel needs to get over Haven and boink Mikayla. Fast.
The Hop Goblin wrote:Many people are under the (in my opinion) erroneous assumption that when they are told something in confidence, they have every right to share that bit of confidential information with their spouse.
Part of the reason that modern marriages fail so miserably is the absurd need to be some secrets kept from the spouse, overpraising individuality over the relationship of the marriage. Yes - they do have that right, that's what married couples do. In a marriage two people become, effectively, one unit - and only 1000% honesty will keep you going with as little problems as possible. The moment you start keeping even tiny secrets, you begin a snowball effect.
My wife and I became, essentially, the same person - just different sides of that person; long before we were married, infact. For the people who didn't like it, and did not respect the union that was, were basically dropped. I certainly did not want to keep secrets away from the one person I should be allowed to share everything with, and vice verca. When you start expecting that your friendship is above the honesty and truthfulness of an established relationship, then you are dishonoring that relationship and the people in it. When you become bitter about how much honesty there is in their relationship, your quality as a friend is in question.
And it's funny that most often the ones that scream loudest of "it's her body, she can do what she wants" are also the ones that scream loudest for child support when the consequences of the choice are born.
MildlyonFire wrote:A simple "MildlyonFire was telling me about some rough stuff she went through in college. It sounded really hard." conveys a lot of information without violating my trust.
In fact, I will venture to say that people who demand total honesty about personal conversations aren't doing it out of some highbrow desire for relationship integrity. They're doing it out of selfish, gossiping, back-stabbing, middle-school curiosity. Who I tell is my discretion and if you can't respect that, I wouldn't want you as a friend anyway. You have little enough respect for privacy that you'd tell not only your wife, but your friends, and your wife would likely tell her friends and family. You're hypocritical, self-righteous, and selfish. Why would I want to tell you *anything* except goodbye?
MildlyOnFire wrote:News flash: It takes both a man and a woman to make a child. If you stick your dick into a woman, you should realize that you might make a baby. If you can't take responsibility for making a child, then keep your dick away from women. Whining that you don't want to support the child you helped make is like complaining you don't want to pay for the car accident you helped cause. Irresponsible male bullshit.
As it related to this story, Ally learned something about Max's past that effected Max, and by extension, herself. To be honest, in Ally's shoes I wouldn't have been able to keep that secret either. I would have handled it differently, mostly because I'm not much for confrontation and dramatics... something Ally seems to crave.
Phthalo_Blue wrote:And really Max's reaction, him wanting to slap/strangle Kim for something that happened years ago, is over the top, and he needs to get himself checked...
atristain wrote:And this time, for real and not as part as some kind of trap for somebody else. I agree that most of the characters need professional help, but Max stands above everyone else.
Cyberbard wrote:MildlyOnFire wrote:News flash: It takes both a man and a woman to make a child. If you stick your dick into a woman, you should realize that you might make a baby. If you can't take responsibility for making a child, then keep your dick away from women. Whining that you don't want to support the child you helped make is like complaining you don't want to pay for the car accident you helped cause. Irresponsible male bullshit.
This I agree with. I think the whole Abortion issue has become more of a men's issue than a woman's issue (which is how it's usually portrayed). Our society has a sick tendency to encourage young men to stick their filthy little penises into any vagina that becomes available, and that has to stop. We need to start teaching our boys basic respect, and taking responsibility for their actions. Taking responsibility for one's actions seems to have fallen out of fashion in the last couple of decades, and the results are very ugly and very apparent. If a man isn't willing to take responsibility for a child, then he should put on a fricking condom (even if the woman is on the equally fricking Pill!), or better yet, keep his pants on. Unprotected sex = %25 chance of pregnancy.[1] Those are the numbers; seems pretty clear to me.
CidGregor wrote:Wow, hey, good job generalizing, you two.
I mean it's not like there are guys out there who are perfectly capable of keeping their dicks in their pants, right?
Or guys who are perfectly sane enough to use protection/birth control if they do choose to have sex.
And there's certainly never been a case of properly used birth control failing.
Nor has there EVER been a case of a man owning up to a child he helped create. Nope, not a one.
We all just LOVE to stick our filthy little penises into any vagina that becomes available. ESPECIALLY when we get to dodge the consequences like the plague afterward.
Here's a 'news flash' for you, too: Much though you seem to rarely, if ever, hear about us, there are plenty of decent, well-being, hard-working men out there who treat the women in their lives with nothing but respect. And while we're perfectly aware that there ARE men out there like the ones you've described, it really, really irritates us when you generalize all men as being responsible for this and spout lines like 'Irresponsible male bullshit' or that atrocious 'filthy little penises' remark. We're not all a bunch of irrepressible horn-balls, and we'd really like it if the feminists of the world would stop hanging us by our balls simply for having them.
As for the comment of; "It's her body, she can choose to tell him or not", certainly she does - doesn't make it any less of a dishonest and scumbag move. His body (or secretions thereof) were part of the child. And it's funny that most often the ones that scream loudest of "it's her body, she can do what she wants" are also the ones that scream loudest for child support when the consequences of the choice are born.
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