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Space Tree is, by far, the cream of KeenToons...

PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 12:34 am
by Dunlavy
So far, I'd say KeenToons is off to a great start. Space Tree is hilarious stuff and would fit in perfectly with its ilk on Adult Swim. Keep the episodes coming! :D

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Addendum: Since it supplements my initial thread starting post here, I am adding my response to this thread. I'm not sure why.


I honestly don't see what's up with all the Bonus Stage lovin' going on around here. Space Tree is clearly superior, and while this is only my opinion, the best I can do is state my opinion in a manner that clearly outlines my criteria for a good web cartoon (which I believe Space Tree to be) and a mediocre one (Bonus Stage).

Space Tree originality: A
Bonus Stage originality: C

First off, Space Tree features unorthodox comedy routines that you'd be hard pressed to find anywhere else sans Adult Swim. Candy canes, "friends with benefits," Ghost Spider, web sites that shoot lasers, and space themed bizarro sitcom is hard pressed to find in mainstream media. I find that Bonus Stage departs very little from tried and true sitcom that you'd find on teenage TV shows and hell... Nickelodeon (although Nick did have Invader Zim, at one point).

The voice acting in Space Tree: B+
The voice acting in Bonus Stage: C- at best

And what the hell is up with raspy, Microsoft Sam generated voiceovers in Bonus Stage? That HAS to go if it's ever going to quit pissing normal people off. Kill it.

The animation in Space Tree: B
The animation in Bonus Stage: B

Both are animated nicely, although each is inconsistent. Some scenes appear simplistic while others are more crafted.

Space Tree's character line-up: B+
Bonus Stage's character line-up: D+

There isn't a single character I appreciate or even relate to in Bonus Stage. I'm a pretty big computer science geek who appreciates geek culture as much as the next guy, but Bonus Stage manages to present our culture in a manner that is contrived, not funny, immature and in many instances, annoying. If I were a jock, beating the crap out of these characters would occupy my lunch break everyday. It would be cathartic.

In Space Tree, I dislike Alan, the green kid. However, this is by the author's design. You're not SUPPOSED to like him.

All in all, Bonus Stage feels overly immature to me. I am a college student, and I feel the majority of you are perhaps high school students, so I can understand why our perceptions of maturity and comedic craftsmanship could differ so greatly. I don't intend this as an insult; I feel a possible age gap is necessary to point out so I don't get a bunch of "1dio1T, you sOWK!1" replies from Bonus Stage fan boys and girls. Finally, I submit this post with one last observation:

Bonus Stage is overrated. The crown of KeenToons belongs to Space Tree.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 5:57 am
by Fat_guy1
Ilk? What's that?


Anyway, it is very true that Space Tree does rock the hizzy.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 6:46 am
by Nar
Hey! You know you're not allowed to have an opinion that does not put Bonus Stage first! The BS Fanbase police will take you to their secret underground hideout and make you watch every episode even though you might like something else better!

Heh, just kidding. I like Space Tree too. Even in the first couple episodes it was good, but now it's even better. I think all of the keentoons are quickly becoming some of my all-time favorites.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 7:14 am
by OnlyAlienEver
Space Tree is indeed the best on Keentoons. Right now, its only competition is Robotbox and Cactus.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 7:23 am
by bunji
I still think Bonus Stage is the best. Then Space Tree. Then RB&C. Because I'm a rebel.





Actually, I'm not.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 7:49 am
by JasterW
Danny Washington owns you all. Facetious.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 11:05 am
by The K
If Space Tree is the cream, then what's the ice?

PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 11:16 am
by 1969
The K wrote:If Space Tree is the cream, then what's the ice?
'

Pfft, Keentoons isn't Ice Cream. It's coffee. He's saying that Space Tree is the cream, that goes into the coffee and makes it taste good.

Loser.



(I have wasted my 100th post right here, folks. Hooray!)

PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 11:17 am
by Fat_guy1
The ice is Danny Washington, but it has melted.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 11:33 am
by Nar
1969 wrote:Pfft, Keentoons isn't Ice Cream. It's coffee. He's saying that Space Tree is the cream, that goes into the coffee and makes it taste good.

Following along with that analogy, I would like to say that Bonus Stage is the cup. Think about what I mean by that for a while.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 11:36 am
by 1969
Nar wrote:Following along with that analogy, I would like to say that Bonus Stage is the cup. Think about what I mean by that for a while.


Yeah, I think I get what you mean, without bonus stage, everything else would just be *splat*.


But I was being sarcastic. :P

PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 12:16 pm
by Chrono_Catfish
I'm actually starting to like Space Tree more than BS now that there's the continuity and all.

But Bonus Stage still rules my Fridays. Or possibly Saturdays. Whenever's good.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 1:10 pm
by Raedyn
Well! If we are gonna shoot opinions around! Allow me!!

Bonus Stage
- has more character depth
- Likable characters and villans
- Awesome Plots ( most of the time)

Space Tree
- Also has awesome characters
- always hilarious
- Awesome Plots ( most of the time)

R&C
-Took awhile to develop as a good series
-not always that funny
-plots are weak, but characters are awesome - especially Robotbox!

Danny Washington doesnt get a rating...i never liked it and since it hasnt updated in so long its time to give it the boot i think.

I think the best series is tied BS and ST...thing is, Space Tree has already caught up with Bonus Stage in my opinion, and it took BS awhile to become what it is today.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 2:06 pm
by zonzo
Space Tree and RBAC are my favorites right now, I just hope if they add more toons, they'd be of equal quality. Maybe a Burnt Face Man series.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 4:03 pm
by Eggie
I love Bonus Stage at the moment, but Space Tree seems to be the best for consistantly delivering the awesome.
I mean, the first 10 or so episodes of Space Tree is quite a bit better than the first season of Bonus Stage.

But it's early days yet. Space Tree might go into a horrible dip of 'not very goodishness'. But I really hope that never happens because it's great.

Robotbox and Cactus...I'm still undecided on how much I like it. The animation is plenty detailed but not especially appealing to me, but the longer, less sane episodes that have been emmerging lately definately got me laughing and even caring about the characters. So I'll assume it can get better from this point on...Unless it gets worse...

Danny washington (if it ever gets back on track) should go back to being Live Action. It's so much cooler that way.

Getting David Firth on board might not be a bad idea, he's always complaining about not having any webspace.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 7:30 pm
by OnlyAlienEver
The thing with Space Tree is that I found it kind of weird when Ed said that he'd be doing a lot more than 10 episodes. If you've been to his site before he even started Space Tree, you'd see that he'd usually give you the impression that he's going to make a lot of episodes for his Stabby McGee series, but then he doesn't, and then he makes a few other random cartoons, doesn't update for a month, updates with something small again, etc.

And being such a sex slave fan of his, I was skeptical of him doing this huge Space Tree series, especially since now it has three times more episodes than his two other series, which captured my heart already. But that's the thing with Ed. He can just fuck around on his site for a while and make it seem like the smallest thing in the world, and the next day sign a contract to this new Keensite. Whatever move he makes, you know his stuff's going to be funny, so you'll be supporting him anyway.

And if you haven't already got the idea, we're gay lovers.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:04 am
by Xenon
Yeah, I would have thought Ed would have chosen Stabby as a KT series, but Space Tree is my current favourite KeenTOON anyway, so he wins either way.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:05 pm
by 1969
Eggie wrote:Getting David Firth on board might not be a bad idea, he's always complaining about not having any webspace.


Getting David Firth on board would definently be one of the strangest things ever witnessed. David's weirdness plus a weekly update equals fucked up.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:48 pm
by mr. kauervane
Bonus Stage has a better drawing style, and can be funnier than Space Tree at times. But really, it's two different writing styles. BS makes pop culture references, while in ST I haven't heard a lick of one. I dunno. I really only like BS and ST, because they're truly the only good cartoons on KeenTOONS. No offense McBean, it could just use a little work.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:33 pm
by mydearauntsally
Man...RobotBox & Cactus is better than Bonus Stage in my opinion. Bonus Stage is the same thing every episode, and well if your not talking about funniness then I still think RB&C is better animated than bonus stage.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:40 pm
by Raedyn
Robotbox and cactus may be well animated...but look at what mcbean has to animate. desert + cactus + plus square robot...it can look good and all...but its not much.
I think BS is a little more dynamic than Robotbox when it comes to being the same thing every epsiode...but thats my opinion.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:48 pm
by MaywoodRocker
Raedyn wrote:Robotbox and cactus may be well animated...but look at what mcbean has to animate. desert + cactus + plus square robot...it can look good and all...but its not much.
I think BS is a little more dynamic than Robotbox when it comes to being the same thing every epsiode...but thats my opinion.

You tell em...Bonus Stage foreverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Anyway, Bonus Stage is not the same thing every week...its a detailed plot, conveniently centered around Pop-Culture References.

PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:26 am
by Nar
mr. kauervane wrote:Bonus Stage has a better drawing style, and can be funnier than Space Tree at times. But really, it's two different writing styles. BS makes pop culture references, while in ST I haven't heard a lick of one. I dunno. I really only like BS and ST, because they're truly the only good cartoons on KeenTOONS. No offense McBean, it could just use a little work.

Bonus Stage and Space Tree are done along the traditional lines of a cartoon. RobotBox and Cactus is really more like an animated comic strip. McBean can't put them in as many different environments because...well...a cactus is stationary (except for the few times in the cartoon where he was somewhere else). I think it's good that there are two (if you want to count Danny Washington) non-traditional cartoons here. Not everybody wants to watch people going on some adventure every week. Some do though. Actually....about 90% of this forum's population does. But you get what I'm saying.

PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:51 am
by bunji
I would definately not say that Bonus Stage was the same every week. And I would say it again if I was that dull.

PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 4:28 am
by Dunlavy
I honestly don't see what's up with all the Bonus Stage lovin' going on around here. Space Tree is clearly superior, and while this is only my opinion, the best I can do is state my opinion in a manner that clearly outlines my criteria for a good web cartoon (which I believe Space Tree to be) and a mediocre one (Bonus Stage).

Space Tree originality: A
Bonus Stage originality: C

First off, Space Tree features unorthodox comedy routines that you'd be hard pressed to find anywhere else sans Adult Swim. Candy canes, "friends with benefits," Ghost Spider, web sites that shoot lasers, and space themed bizarro sitcom is hard pressed to find in mainstream media. I find that Bonus Stage departs very little from tried and true sitcom that you'd find on teenage TV shows and hell... Nickelodeon (although Nick did have Invader Zim, at one point).

The voice acting in Space Tree: B+
The voice acting in Bonus Stage: C- at best

And what the hell is up with raspy, Microsoft Sam generated voiceovers in Bonus Stage? That HAS to go if it's ever going to quit pissing normal people off. Kill it.

The animation in Space Tree: B
The animation in Bonus Stage: B

Both are animated nicely, although each is inconsistent. Some scenes appear simplistic while others are more crafted.

Space Tree's character line-up: B+
Bonus Stage's character line-up: D+

There isn't a single character I appreciate or even relate to in Bonus Stage. I'm a pretty big computer science geek who appreciates geek culture as much as the next guy, but Bonus Stage manages to present our culture in a manner that is contrived, not funny, immature and in many instances, annoying. If I were a jock, beating the crap out of these characters would occupy my lunch break everyday. It would be cathartic.

In Space Tree, I dislike Alan, the green kid. However, this is by the author's design. You're not SUPPOSED to like him.

All in all, Bonus Stage feels overly immature to me. I am a college student, and I feel the majority of you are perhaps high school students, so I can understand why our perceptions of maturity and comedic craftsmanship could differ so greatly. I don't intend this as an insult; I feel a possible age gap is necessary to point out so I don't get a bunch of "1dio1T, you sOWK!1" replies from Bonus Stage fan boys and girls. Finally, I submit this post with one last observation:

Bonus Stage is overrated. The crown of KeenToons belongs to Space Tree.