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Postby Jeremy_I_Am on Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:09 pm

About three weeks ago, Conservative MP Garth Turner, a former cabinet minister, was thrown out of the party, and now sits as an Independent member. Allegedly, the Ontario caucus threw him out for posting in-camera meeting minutes on his blog, but it's suspected that Prime Minister Harper ordered him out for fear he would tear up Environment Minister Ambrose's new anti-smog plan. (Which he did.) It's amazing, the repercussions for not toeing the party line in Canada, especially considering the Conservatives have a minority in Parliament and Mr. Turner (who is now considering joining the Green Party) is from an area (south Ontario) where the party desperately needs more representation.
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Postby RevSam on Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:07 pm

let me be the first to say no one cares

this comic is about american politics dumbass
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Postby NumbVox on Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:29 pm

Seriously, eh. I mean, nobody here knows anything aboot Canadian politics, much less cares aboot them, eh.
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Postby Jeremy_I_Am on Thu Nov 09, 2006 6:14 am

Oh, typical. Just typical of you dumb-assed flame-warring gun-loving war-waging egocentric pig-ignorant American redneck twits.
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Postby twinkie23 on Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:24 am

I think it's good to know Canadian politics, after all when the draft Bush will issue comes I for one will be moving to Canada......and also Canada is sounding more and more the better of the USA
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Postby Acid Rain on Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:43 pm

Jeremy_I_Am wrote:Oh, typical. Just typical of you dumb-assed flame-warring gun-loving war-waging egocentric pig-ignorant American redneck twits.


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Postby Ugly Hamster on Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:45 pm

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Postby twinkie23 on Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:19 am

dont forget the people who dont fall for the anti-terror speeches :-?

so since I know near nothing about Canadian politics,
is it nearly as bad as the US electing Bush twice?
Just how lop-sidded is the party system?
And did I understand that part about conservatives in the minority? Thats like a dream come tue for me.
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Postby RevSam on Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:17 am

twinkie23 wrote:dont forget the people who dont fall for the anti-terror speeches :-?

so since I know near nothing about Canadian politics,
is it nearly as bad as the US electing Bush twice?
Just how lop-sidded is the party system?
And did I understand that part about conservatives in the minority? Thats like a dream come tue for me.
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Postby Jeremy_I_Am on Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:24 am

twinkie23 wrote:dont forget the people who dont fall for the anti-terror speeches :-?

so since I know near nothing about Canadian politics,
is it nearly as bad as the US electing Bush twice?
Just how lop-sided is the party system?
And did I understand that part about conservatives in the minority? Thats like a dream come true for me.


1) No, it isn't. Actually, we were due in for a shake-up. The Liberals had been in power for the last 12 years, and for 79 of the last 110 (1896-1911, 1921-26, 1926-30, 1935-57, 1963-79, 1980-84, 1993-2006). It's actually the most successful political party in the G8 (not counting the Russian Communists, or the Japanese LDP, which hasn't been around as long as the Liberal Party of Canada).

2)Not very lopsided... unless you count that there are two national left-leaning parties, and only one right-leaning one. (There used to be two--the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada and the Canadian Reform-Conservative Alliance--but they merged when they realized that they weren't getting anywhere seperately. The old leader of the Alliance (S. J. Harper) is now the Prime Minister, and the old leader of the PCs (P. G. Mackay) is the Minister of Foreign Affairs.) Otherwise, we get along fine.

3)Yes and no... The way it works is this: There are 308 seats in the House of Commons. The party with the most seats forms the government. When a party has more seats than any other single party, but not more than the other parties combined, it forms the government, but since they are outnumbered, they have to compromise with the Opposition, or else the other parties will defeat the Government with a vote of non-confidence, thus dissolving Parliament and forcing an election. Right now (Nov. 13) the Conservatives have 124 seats, the Liberals 101, the Bloc Quebecois (a party dedicated to the self-interests of Quebec, with the goal of Quebec's seperation from Canada) 50, the New Democratic Party (socialists) 29, 2 independent members of Parliament, and 2 vacant seats (to be filled by by-elections Nov. 27). So the Conservatives are in government (for the first time in 12 years) but they have to tread carefully. Get it?

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Postby Jeremy_I_Am on Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:33 pm

Update: in the Nov. 27 by-elections, candidate Glen Pearson of the Liberal party won the riding of London North Centre, Ontario, while male-prostitute-turned-Catholic-priest Raymond Gravel won in the riding of Répentigny, Quebec.
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Postby effovex on Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:19 am

[quote="Jeremy_I_Am"]male-prostitute-turned-Catholic-priest Raymond Gravel won in the riding of R
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Postby Jeremy_I_Am on Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:43 am

Late update: Two weeks ago the Liberal Party of Canada held a convention to choose a new leader, to replace former Prime Minister Paul Martin. After a keynote address by Howard Dean and voting on Liberal policy, delegates voted for their new leader. The candidates going into the first ballot were:

*Dr. Michael Ignatieff, MP for Etobicoke-Lakeshore, Ontario, and former Harvard University professor

*Hon. Robert Rae, former NDP premier of Ontario (1990-1995)

*Gerard Kennedy, former Ontario provincial minister of education (2004-2006)

*Hon. Dr. Stéphane M. Dion, MP for St-Laurent--Cartierville, Quebec, former Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs (1996-2003) and Environment (2004-2006)

*Hon. Ken Dryden, MP for North York, Ontario, former goalie for the Montreal Canadiens and former Minister of Social Development (2004-2006)

*Hon. Scott Brison, MP for Kings--Hants, Nova Scotia, former Minister of Public Works (2003-2006)

*Hon. Joe Volpe, MP for Eglinton-Lawrence, Ontario, former Minister of Human Resources (2003-2005) and Citizenship and Immigration (2005-2006)

*Martha Hall Findlay, Toronto-area lawyer.

Volpe withdrew before the 1st ballot to endorse Rae

Findlay and Brison were eliminated on the 1st ballot. Findlay endorsed Dion, Brison endorsed Rae.

Dryden and Kennedy were eliminated on the 2nd ballot. Dryden endorsed Rae, Kennedy endorsed Dion.

Rae was eliminated on the 3rd ballot.

On the 4th ballot, Dion was chosen as 11th leader of the liberal Party.


Also: Ralph Klein, outspoken alcoholic premier of Alberta, 1992-2006, has retired. He has been succeeded by Edward Stelmach.
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Postby Jeremy_I_Am on Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:00 am

Update: Prime Minister Harper has made changes to his cabinet. Among other things, Jay Hill, Jason Kenney, Gerry Ritz, Helena Guergis and Christian Paradis have been added to cabinet (now with 32 members) and Treasury Board President John Baird was made Minister of the Environment, causing a domino effect: the old Minister of the Environment, Rona Ambrose was moved to Intergovernmental Affairs; Peter van Loan became the Government Leader in the House of Commons; Rob Nicholson became Minister of Justice; and Vic Toews became the new President of the Treasury Board.

In other news, Mississauga-Streetsville Liberal MP Wajid Khan defected to the Conservative Party and Outremont Liberal MP Jean Lapierre resigned to become a TV journalist.

Party standings are now:

Conservative 125
Liberal 100
Bloc 51
NDP 29
Independent 2
Vacant 1
_________
TOTAL 308
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Postby effovex on Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:39 pm

You can make that list Liberals 101, vacant 0, because Outremont is a Liberal stronghold and it's doubtfull it'll take very long to replace Mr. Lapierre.
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Postby Jeremy_I_Am on Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:15 am

Indeed--although thre's still the outside chance Fortier would run and win there. But he wouldn't leave the Senate unless he and Harper were convinced he would win. So I guess Justin Trudeau's getting a seat sooner than he thought.
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Postby Jeremy_I_Am on Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:07 am

And now Garth Turner has joined the Liberals. Hm.

Conservative 125
Liberal 101
Bloc 51
NDP 29
Independant 1
vacant 1
TOTAL 308
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Postby Wood Shop on Fri Feb 09, 2007 5:16 pm

there is a canadian government?
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Postby Twitchy on Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:00 am

theres governments everywhere
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Postby Jeremy_I_Am on Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:49 am

Good to see another EGS fan.

News: Quebec premier (sort of like a state governor) Jean Charest has called a provincial election for March 26. The contenders are the Liberal party under Jean "Richard Simmons's Older Brother" Charest and the seperatist Parti Quebecois, led by André Boisclair, who is literally a crack-snorting fag.
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Postby effovex on Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:07 pm

The ADQ, led by Mario Dumont, might be a contender in the provincial election this year.

The PQ are going to have trouble getting votes because they want to hold a referendum in their first year in office if they have a majority, something 2/3rd of the population is against right now. There's dissenssion within the party, Boisclair accumulates blunders, and things just aren't looking too great for the party.

Charest's last year has been okay, his popularity climbed back a bit, and he started the campaign somewhat better than expected, but he's far from popular and his government's early year have been disastrous, something the PQ and ADQ won't let him forget. He's also extremely impopular with blue collar workers and students, but those are traditionally PQ voters anyway, so that's nothing new.

Mario Dumont always gets a surge in polls in the early days of the campaign, because he's a great polemist, but his party is really a one man party and his party is too right aligned for Quebec, so he generally fails badly come election day. However, he's getting some serious support in the Quebec area and some distant regions, who've already elected conservatives in the federal election and who are getting really tired of what they perceive as the Montreal-centric politics of the other parties. Whether he'll become a major player remains to be seen.

Quebec Solidaire is a new party and it'll get the idealist left independantist vote, but it's really kind of a joke and it'll only hurt the PQ.

The greens... well, maybe they'll get a surge of support now that the environment is getting a lot of publicity, but since everyone else is also superficially green these days, and voters for the most part only find environmental issues superficially important (it's really really important, after everything else of course) I don't see them going very far, unless they somehow lead an incredible campaign... no wait, not even that would suffice.

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Postby Jeremy_I_Am on Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:31 pm

Indeed... but I was only noting the two parties that wuld likely form a government. The ADQ has as much chance of coming to power in Quebec as the NDP has of winning Parliament.
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Postby Jeremy_I_Am on Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:25 am

Something interesting I found: a guy named Bill Clennett is running in Hull for the Quebec Solidaire party, which was founded last year by a guy who smoked too much weed, then watched a documentary on anarchal-syndicalist communes.

In 1996, Bill was in Hull, protesting for reforms to unemployment insurance, when the Prime Minister, Jean Chretien, strangled him live on television. Ever since, grabbing someone by the throat has been known as the "Shawinigan handshake", afer Mr. Chretien's hometown.
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Postby effovex on Tue Mar 06, 2007 9:02 pm

I heard Amil Khadir - the Quebec Solidaire leader - on the radio today. He was well spoken, made intelligent arguments, had interesting ideas, and I thought "Hey, maybe this party's actually worth voting for".

Then I remembered it's another fucking separatist party. Jesus fuck. Guess I'll vote for the commies again - 64 people voted for the marxist-leninist candidate in my county last elections. His mum must be so fucking proud! I figure making a marxist's mum happy is better than nothing, considering I'm in Charest's county and the people of Sherbrooke will always elect Charest, whatever he's trying to get elected for.

Christ, this place was a federal Conservative stronghold until Charest defected to the provincial Liberals. Then we became a Bloc Quebecois stronghold... what the fuck?
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Postby Jeremy_I_Am on Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:11 am

They're never going to go away as long as we keep humouring them. My family's owned land in Pontiac for 150 years, and I'll be damned if it gets turned into a foreign land.

I just don't get it. The Anglo boogeymen are chased out, and Quebec culture's in no danger of dying. By all accounts, the movement should have shared Levesque's coffin. But if the Seperatists do go, rub their face in the mud. Cripple them. Humiliate them. And make them protect English rights in their constitution. Pah!
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