10/18/12 - Mary Sue who?

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10/18/12 - Mary Sue who?

Postby bahamutkod on Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:06 pm

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not only destroying every last detail that made his final baddie threatening and intriguing... but also cementing the fact that fate itself kisses Deegan ass and they are essentially treated as gods.

Why not something poigniant? Why not, "Perhaps humanity is not ready for this kind of power... please, prove me wrong." no... it's "Miranda, you are awesome and perfect and Deegan."
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Re: 10/18/12 - Mary Sue who?

Postby daveshan on Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:36 pm

I'm sorry, when did Miranda turn into a crying baby sister? She's taken on infernomancers, super-charged necromancers, had a one-on-one with the ultimate human mage and held her own,... When? When has she ever been shown to absolutely need the other archmages for guidance? Yeah, when they wanted to mount an attack against the beast, but that's not guidance. That's rallying troops and SHE was doing the rallying.

As far as I'm concerned, the only good characters left are TIM, Celesto, David, and that little slime guy. I suspect Mookie will ruin them all by the time this story is done.
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Re: 10/18/12 - Mary Sue who?

Postby Lumino on Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:23 pm

She is the most junior archmage. It can be a bit frightening to go from the bottom to the top with no guidance or aide available to you. Many of us in real life have had to deal with that in our professional lives.

Miranda's power, and therefore the stakes, are much higher then any of us ever had to deal with.

Sides, I don't think he's neutered the king yet. He is still a very major threat.
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Re: 10/18/12 - Mary Sue who?

Postby Reaver225 on Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:15 am

Don't forget, when it comes to archmage's influence, she's been under enchantment the whole time.
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Re: 10/18/12 - Mary Sue who?

Postby yadumey on Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:19 pm

Mary Sue-ism aside, wasn't David the one who introduced Miranda to the Archmages AFTER he chose to step down? As in, she wasn't even in the game until well after they allowed him to join? How was she always intended to be the first?
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Re: 10/18/12 - Mary Sue who?

Postby Lumino on Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:37 pm

I'd assume archmages of phenomenally cosmic power keep their eye(s) open for potential threats and allies in the magical worlds. When someone gets strong, they start gathering a lot of attention.
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Re: 10/18/12 - Mary Sue who?

Postby spacemansays on Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:16 pm

Oh god dammit Mookie. YOU WERE DOING SO WELL.

I dislike this twist, not just because it makes Miranda even more of a special snowflake, but because Mookie keeps undercutting David every time that the guy starts to feel really menacing. He's managed to take out all the Archmagi? Cool, but he's really in service to an eldritch horror made out of his own rotting eyeballs because he made one bad bargain. He's kicking Dominic's ass? Sure, but he's never going to be as good as Miranda, because SHE was the REAL Archmage all along and he was just a second-rate usurper.

Come on. Let the guy stand on his own accomplishments. Just because he's a villain doesn't mean he has to be all smoke and mirrors and trickery: let him be a legitimately potent mage in his own right.
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Re: 10/18/12 - Mary Sue who?

Postby yadumey on Thu Oct 18, 2012 3:33 pm

Lumino wrote:I'd assume archmages of phenomenally cosmic power keep their eye(s) open for potential threats and allies in the magical worlds. When someone gets strong, they start gathering a lot of attention.

I'll give you that, sure, but unless we get a timeline of events, I had assumed that he was the sole archmage candidate for some time, and Miranda had not even been brought into the picture until well into his reign, up and coming or not.
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Re: 10/18/12 - Mary Sue who?

Postby Lumino on Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:15 pm

My take on it wasn't that they rejected David due to power but due to his motivations. He was too power hungry, and they could see it (until he enchanted them at least). He could very well still be stronger then Miranda, but power alone does not make one a worthy archmage.

They may have seen her as the better choice because she had power tempered with wisdom of how to use it and what is too far. She didn't seek power for power's sake.

Of course, this doesn't stop her from being a Sue, but it explains why the archmages might have prefered her over David had they their free will.
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Re: 10/18/12 - Mary Sue who?

Postby daveshan on Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:04 pm

spacemansays wrote:Oh god dammit Mookie. YOU WERE DOING SO WELL.

I dislike this twist, not just because it makes Miranda even more of a special snowflake, but because Mookie keeps undercutting David every time that the guy starts to feel really menacing. He's managed to take out all the Archmagi? Cool, but he's really in service to an eldritch horror made out of his own rotting eyeballs because he made one bad bargain. He's kicking Dominic's ass? Sure, but he's never going to be as good as Miranda, because SHE was the REAL Archmage all along and he was just a second-rate usurper.

Come on. Let the guy stand on his own accomplishments. Just because he's a villain doesn't mean he has to be all smoke and mirrors and trickery: let him be a legitimately potent mage in his own right.


There can still be a few saving graces, none of which I'll imagine Mookie doing.

1. The king could cast an illusion spell to make it look like Masutel is attacking everyone and then stop him. We've seen he's quite good at those.

2. He has the original necromancer guy under his power. He could resurrect the corpse in an almost perfect fashion (or at least enough that an illusion spell could patch up the mistakes) and then have it attack.

3. The Beast could possess Masutel's lifeless body and proceed to attack people.


Like I said, though, I don't see Mookie using any of these.
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Re: 10/18/12 - Mary Sue who?

Postby Lumino on Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:35 pm

I really like the Rilian idea.
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