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Postby Kalga on Sat Sep 01, 2007 2:05 pm

Your not a 'ban-happy bastard' for banning someone for a valid reason.... and cashews are awesome.....
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Postby MOOMANiBE on Sat Sep 01, 2007 2:09 pm

Without getting into the specifics of this argument, I'll say that I agree wholly with Dan's decision.
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Postby azrael_2001 on Sat Sep 01, 2007 2:09 pm

Tricia wrote:
Tuitsuro wrote:Yeah I know, Dan has to enforce the rules so automatically he's a facist!
I think her issue is more that people can be as crude as they want, as long as it vaguely regards the comic...but Noxy posts a *different* type of crudeness...and it's right out.
What is it exactly that they did? "Olol penis" is stupid, but not exactly bannable, just pathetic. :roll:
On the other hand, if someone has been posting porn, they need to go away and have a think about where their life is going, whether they should get off at the next stop.
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Postby Tricia on Sat Sep 01, 2007 2:12 pm

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Tuitsuro wrote:Yeah I know, Dan has to enforce the rules so automatically he's a facist!
I think her issue is more that people can be as crude as they want, as long as it vaguely regards the comic...but Noxy posts a *different* type of crudeness...and it's right out.
What is it exactly that they did? "Olol penis" is stupid, but not exactly bannable, just pathetic. :roll:
On the other hand, if someone has been posting porn, they need to go away and have a think about where their life is going, whether they should get off at the next stop.
I dunno. I wasn't paying enough attention.

But Noxy said, and I believe her, that it wasn't anything more than saying the "p word".
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Postby Tuitsuro on Sat Sep 01, 2007 2:32 pm

Tricia wrote:
Tuitsuro wrote:Yeah I know, Dan has to enforce the rules so automatically he's a facist!
I think her issue is more that people can be as crude as they want, as long as it vaguely regards the comic...but Noxy posts a *different* type of crudeness...and it's right out.


Yeah, the horrific double standard. So evil!

I know, it's amazing, I've been on this forum for... what, three years? Never gotten banned. This must be a conspiracy of the highest order! Why should they be banned and not me?!

So, Tricia, you get on this forum one day and state "You know you can't live without my breasts!" Or something similar to that effect; do you think you'd be banned for it? Chance are, probably not. Why? Because it'd be really out of character for you to do that. The thing with Nocturn and Nevrmore is, no it's not out of character, because they've been doing this type of crap for quite a while now! And they've been warned, repeatedly, to either stop or settle down; they haven`t, and apparently Dan's finally had enough of it. So it's not because they have a supposed different type of crudeness, it's because that's all they ever bring to this forum anymore!
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Postby Tricia on Sat Sep 01, 2007 2:36 pm

Tuitsuro wrote: So it's not because they have a supposed different type of crudeness, it's because that's all they ever bring to this forum anymore!
That's all half the people bring to the forum anymore. Not necessarily this forum...but especially Mayhem. I can't even set foot anywhere near Mayhem, because it's immensely creepy. And that kind of stuff goes on constantly over there. Hundreds of times worse than what Noxy and Nevr were doing.

And I don't see this "constantly" from them. Nevr...maybe...but Noxy is generally rather well-behaved.
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Postby Tuitsuro on Sat Sep 01, 2007 2:57 pm

Nocturn used to be a good bunny, not so much anymore. What really put me off her was the G;PoSR thread, but that's just me personally because I took it as an attack, even though maybe she didn't mean it in that way. But, look what she does right off in this thread; attempts to derail the thread and then continues to try derailing the thread many more times. It's bad behavior and there was really no reason for it. It's that type of thing that needs to stop and they've both been warned numerous times.
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Postby Tricia on Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:02 pm

Tuitsuro wrote:Nocturn used to be a good bunny, not so much anymore. What really put me off her was the G;PoSR thread, but that's just me personally because I took it as an attack, even though maybe she didn't mean it in that way. But, look what she does right off in this thread; attempts to derail the thread and then continues to try derailing the thread many more times. It's bad behavior and there was really no reason for it. It's that type of thing that needs to stop and they've both been warned numerous times.
But the issue was not with the derailment. The issue was with the comments that were deleted, which, as far as I saw, was not that crude at all, compared to half the stuff that goes on around here.
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Postby Mutamu on Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:02 pm

Tuitsuro wrote:But, look what she does right off in this thread; attempts to derail the thread and then continues to try derailing the thread many more times.


I'm pretty sure almost every thread gets derailed by someone. It's just a matter of how long.
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Postby Obsidian_Stray on Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:19 pm

Tuitsuro wrote:But, look what she does right off in this thread; attempts to derail the thread and then continues to try derailing the thread many more times.

Well, but trains are really awesome.
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Postby Tuitsuro on Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:27 pm

Not about just the derailing, it's about the general behaviour. If you don't understand it then sorry, but I'm not going to keep trying to explain it. You disagree with a ban, I agree with it, and we'll just have to leave it at that. But like I said initially, who really cares? I don't think either Nocturn or Nevrmore really care about the ban, after all they've got plenty of other forums to go to, and it's not like they really seemed to care for this one much anymore (if at all). If you're angry about some supposed injustice, well, can you name me anyone else who's been banned from the EGS forums in the last few years? Bannings are generally the exception here, not the rule. But you're the one who's seen a double standard, so let me ask you Tricia, who would you ban? Would you uphold a ban on Nocturn and Nevrmore? If you ban someone else but not them, then isn't that your double standard?
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Postby Mutamu on Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:33 pm

I think a ban would be a global Keenforums ban? I'm not entirely sure.


In an case, if so, uh, yeah, Noxy would probably be RATHER BOTHERED as there are other subfora she visits than this little corner.
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Postby Tricia on Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:34 pm

Tuitsuro wrote:Not about just the derailing, it's about the general behaviour. If you don't understand it then sorry, but I'm not going to keep trying to explain it. You disagree with a ban, I agree with it, and we'll just have to leave it at that. But like I said initially, who really cares? I don't think either Nocturn or Nevrmore really care about the ban, after all they've got plenty of other forums to go to, and it's not like they really seemed to care for this one much anymore (if at all). If you're angry about some supposed injustice, well, can you name me anyone else who's been banned from the EGS forums in the last few years? Bannings are generally the exception here, not the rule. But you're the one who's seen a double standard, so let me ask you Tricia, who would you ban? Would you uphold a ban on Nocturn and Nevrmore? If you ban someone else but not them, then isn't that your double standard?
The problem is not being banned from the EGS forums.

The problem is banning means being banned from *every* Keen forum. Some of which they do actually enjoy going to. Which is why Noxy left.

If I were actually in charge, I wouldn't do any bannin', but I would do a hell of a lot of deletin'.

Which is why it's a good thing I'm not in charge around here.

And no, I wouldn't have deleted what I saw Noxy and Nevr type, because I don't see "penis" as a big evil word that shouldn't be spoken.
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Postby Joan Valkyrie on Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:42 pm

To be fair, it was Kalga who started this Trains = Penis anealogy.
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Postby azrael_2001 on Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:45 pm

Tricia wrote:
Tuitsuro wrote:Not about just the derailing, it's about the general behaviour. If you don't understand it then sorry, but I'm not going to keep trying to explain it. You disagree with a ban, I agree with it, and we'll just have to leave it at that. But like I said initially, who really cares? I don't think either Nocturn or Nevrmore really care about the ban, after all they've got plenty of other forums to go to, and it's not like they really seemed to care for this one much anymore (if at all). If you're angry about some supposed injustice, well, can you name me anyone else who's been banned from the EGS forums in the last few years? Bannings are generally the exception here, not the rule. But you're the one who's seen a double standard, so let me ask you Tricia, who would you ban? Would you uphold a ban on Nocturn and Nevrmore? If you ban someone else but not them, then isn't that your double standard?
The problem is not being banned from the EGS forums.

The problem is banning means being banned from *every* Keen forum. Some of which they do actually enjoy going to. Which is why Noxy left.

If I were actually in charge, I wouldn't do any bannin', but I would do a hell of a lot of deletin'.

Which is why it's a good thing I'm not in charge around here.

And no, I wouldn't have deleted what I saw Noxy and Nevr type, because I don't see "penis" as a big evil word that shouldn't be spoken.
The trouble being that Dan and the other admins are vastly overstretched and banning is easier than deleting. Also less tedious and far more satisfying. And even slightly more likely to prevent repeat behaviour.

Personally, I prefer the "jailing" system of th Penny Arcade forums, but they work wit the latest version of a paid bulletin board system, with telephone support even. Not sure if it'd even be possible to implement in phpBB version 0.suck like we gots here.
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Postby Haylo on Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:46 pm

DarkShive wrote:<snip>There are certain rules for this forum. If a person cannot abide by those rules, then they aren't welcome here, but they get warned and are given the chance to not repeat those offenses.<snip>
Ever since I found a reference to this site in a counseling newsletter I was studying a couple years ago, I have wanted to learn more about it; and when I recently made the connection to a comic I had started reading it was a very pleasant surprise. The only other forum on which I have been active also had a (lessor) reputation for calmness and non-flammability, and I had hoped that would be good practice. Unfortunately, you can see what my clumsiness gave an opening for. Could you please let me (and possibly a lot of other people) know where to find some guidelines for peaceful forum activity more advanced than the minimum
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Postby Kalga on Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:55 pm

Joan Valkyrie wrote:To be fair, it was Kalga who started this Trains = Penis anealogy.


I stated nothing. It was Nocturn who mentioned trains.

Nocturn wrote:I dreamed about this train last night. It was a miracle train that brought me joy.


It was Tuitsuo who made a analogy


Tuitsuro wrote:So wait... dreaming of a large phallitic object bringing you joy. Absolutely nothing Freudian there!


I said that I don't want to know anything about their genitalia

Kalga wrote:Okay...enough of Nevvy, and his genitalia.....
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Postby Joan Valkyrie on Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:58 pm

Kalga wrote:
Joan Valkyrie wrote:To be fair, it was Kalga who started this Trains = Penis anealogy.


I stated nothing. It was Nocturn who mentioned trains.


It's your own damn fault for equating trains with penises in your mind. Not Noturn.

Also, Tuitsuro is hypocritical for helping to derail the topic with trains, and then complaining about it later on.
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Postby azrael_2001 on Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:11 pm

Joan Valkyrie wrote:
Kalga wrote:
Joan Valkyrie wrote:To be fair, it was Kalga who started this Trains = Penis anealogy.

I stated nothing. It was Nocturn who mentioned trains.

It's your own damn fault for equating trains with penises in your mind. Not Noturn.
Also, Tuitsuro is hypocritical for helping to derail the topic with trains, and then complaining about it later on.
OK, which part of the Tuitsuro != Kalga equation is confusing you? Or was it the "Kalga did not post anything about trains or genitalia" that has you flabbergasted?
Because randomly accusing people who demonstrably did not do the things you accuse them of, then continuing to persecute them because of it is, to put it mildly, obnoxious.
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Postby Kalga on Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:13 pm

Tuitsuro wrote:So wait... dreaming of a large phallitic object bringing you joy. Absolutely nothing Freudian there!


I belive that is the first refrence to that, and I didn't post it.

When Illisionist said

Illusionist wrote:You think that's bad, go to the DD forums.


I thought he mentioned gratuitous use of the word penis and vagina.... I never said anything like that.....
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Postby Tuitsuro on Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:15 pm

I know I was the one who started the whole analogy; I forgot for a moment I was speaking to Nocturn and Nevrmore and not people who could actually take the joke as was and not turn it into some odd sexual roleplay session. :|
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Postby Tricia on Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:16 pm

Tuitsuro wrote:I know I was the one who started the whole analogy; I forgot for a moment I was speaking to Nocturn and Nevrmore and not people who could actually take the joke as was and not turn it into some odd sexual roleplay session. :|
You mean like happens all the time in Mayhem?
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Postby Tuitsuro on Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:19 pm

Tricia wrote:
Tuitsuro wrote:I know I was the one who started the whole analogy; I forgot for a moment I was speaking to Nocturn and Nevrmore and not people who could actually take the joke as was and not turn it into some odd sexual roleplay session. :|
You mean like happens all the time in Mayhem?


I wouldn't know Tricia, I never visit Mayhem.
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Postby Joan Valkyrie on Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:21 pm

azrael_2001 wrote:
Joan Valkyrie wrote:
Kalga wrote:
Joan Valkyrie wrote:To be fair, it was Kalga who started this Trains = Penis anealogy.

I stated nothing. It was Nocturn who mentioned trains.

It's your own damn fault for equating trains with penises in your mind. Not Noturn.
Also, Tuitsuro is hypocritical for helping to derail the topic with trains, and then complaining about it later on.
OK, which part of the Tuitsuro != Kalga equation is confusing you? Or was it the "Kalga did not post anything about trains or genitalia" that has you flabbergasted?
Because randomly accusing people who demonstrably did not do the things you accuse them of, then continuing to persecute them because of it is, to put it mildly, obnoxious.


Tuitsuro may have started it, but it was Kalga who have carried this thing on in this thread by flailing about it.
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Postby Lomgren on Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:21 pm

...Tricia, you're stereotyping. That doesn't happen that often in Mayhem. The threads there are generally either games or RPs, with the RPs being about different things. The War Thread is, of course, about a war in a post-apocalpyse world. MKRP is about town life. 2984 is a 1984-esque future RP. And so on. Sometimes someone makes a thread about being gone for a bit, and then there's the Hug Hospital, which is one of the best thread ideas ever.
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