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B.T. Isaac's avatar thread - More Random Awys

PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:37 pm
by B.T. Isaac
Wellkome to my avatar thread. This post starts with the oldest avys I made (JPEGs) followed by the more recent ones. You are free to use any of them I you like.

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I got bored this weekend. Here's what I did.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:23 pm
by Dayantis
They look good, other than .jpeg compression artefacts. Try saving as .png instead, it'll look better.

Good though! ^_^

PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:26 pm
by BtEtta
Some nice work there, but somewhat marred but excessive JPEG artifacts. What program are you using to create them, perhaps you should look into its settings dialogs and see if you can set a higher quality value when saving JPEGs.

Or use PNG.

PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:04 pm
by B.T. Isaac
I use Photoshop. I'll try PNG format next time. Thanks for the advise.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 1:28 am
by Illusionist
Groovay.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:23 am
by cidhighwind767
How do you actually get them into a thread?
I have stuff at the house I'd put up, but I don't know how.
Some very good stuff BTW.
Just put it into PNG and they'll be fine.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 9:29 am
by azrael_2001
You are saving the original edits as a .PSD, right? as in, these are just the .JPG's you made from the original files and there are still .PSD's somewhere on your HDD?

Anyway, to get pictures online, there are many many services that will host random pics for free, such as the ever-popular http://www.imageshack.com or my personal favourite, http://www.Photobucket.com
Just upload your pics to one of those and paste the URL they give you between [img]tags[/img] like that.
Do it right and you get something like this:
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The same process works for .sig banners as well.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 9:50 am
by B.T. Isaac
azrael_2001 wrote:You are saving the original edits as a .PSD, right? as in, these are just the .JPG's you made from the original files and there are still .PSD's somewhere on your HDD?


Uhh... I didn't really understood that, could you be a little clearer, if possible? Anyway, I just cropped, coloured and resized the images, and got these JPG's I uploaded. What exactly is the problem with JPG's? Just wondering.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:12 am
by xyzzy_n
The problem with the JPEG format is that its compression loses information from the image and introduces compression artefacts which are especially noticeable in images with lots of lines. Use PNG for most avatars and indeed images, GIF for animated avatars, JPEG for photography and scans. And always keep a copy in the format of your graphics software with separate layers etc.

I ought to write an FAQ, but I suspect somebody already has done that and people just don

PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:34 am
by R3@P3R
Talking about animated, my home computer doesn't "play" them. I just get to see the first picture. Does anyone know something about this?
I have Zonealarm as my firewall. and IE6 as my browser.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:59 am
by Tyris
That all said, PNG has its own problems in that you have only 256 colours, not 16 million.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:04 pm
by xyzzy_n
Tyris wrote:That all said, PNG has its own problems in that you have only 256 colours, not 16 million.
You mean GIF. PNG does, in fact, support 2<sup>24</sup> ≈ 16.8 million colours.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:09 pm
by azrael_2001
B.T. Isaac wrote:
azrael_2001 wrote:You are saving the original edits as a .PSD, right? as in, these are just the .JPG's you made from the original files and there are still .PSD's somewhere on your HDD?


Uhh... I didn't really understood that, could you be a little clearer, if possible? Anyway, I just cropped, coloured and resized the images, and got these JPG's I uploaded. What exactly is the problem with JPG's? Just wondering.

Photoshop has its own native file format which preserves everything about the image, from the layers and masks you may have used to the undo history (I think). That format is .PSD and takes up rather more space than a .jpg or .png which is one of the reasons it is not used as an inline image format. jpg's and png's on the other hand don't preserve any of that useful information, though they are much smaller and therfore suitable for transmission over limited bandwidth connections.
Most people will, when working with a program like photoshop save one copy of whatever they're working on in the native format in case they ever want to go back and change stuff and one or more compressed copies suitable for transfer over the internet.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:23 pm
by Tyris
xyzzy_n wrote:
Tyris wrote:That all said, PNG has its own problems in that you have only 256 colours, not 16 million.
You mean GIF. PNG does, in fact, support 2<sup>24</sup> ≈ 16.8 million colours.
Then why do all my PNGs open in 2<sup>8</sup> = 256 colours?

PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:33 pm
by B.T. Isaac
Wow. Thanks for the advises. I'll check them when makeing the next avatars. I will not redo these ones though. I already went thru a lot of trouble just colouring, posting, removeing, reposting etc to get them in the thread. Consider them tests.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:45 pm
by xyzzy_n
Tyris wrote:Then why do all my PNGs open in 2<sup>8</sup> = 256 colours?
Because you save them that way? Or did you forget to sacrifice a goat to Shannon, the god of compression?

PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 1:40 pm
by BtEtta
xyzzy_n wrote:
Tyris wrote:That all said, PNG has its own problems in that you have only 256 colours, not 16 million.
You mean GIF. PNG does, in fact, support 2<sup>24</sup> ≈ 16.8 million colours.
Not to mention the fact that PNG also supports 256 levels of opacity on each pixel in the image.

You can save palleted PNGs though, and if you open a GIF file and save it out as PNG without explicitly changing anything you will most likely get such a file (though it'll almost certainly be smaller than the GIF).

PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 7:37 am
by B.T. Isaac
I've updated my list of avatars, and I would really appreciate some feedback on them.

I was thinking of posting some strips I coloured. Can I post them here, or is there some sort of trick with posting them them?

PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 7:55 am
by Illusionist
Holy wow have you been busy.

Nice avys!

PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:07 am
by xyzzy_n
B.T. Isaac wrote:I was thinking of posting some strips I coloured.
Please see [url=http://forums.keenspot.com/viewtopic.php?p=1194878#1194878]Dan

PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 9:54 am
by B.T. Isaac
Wow. Thanks for the warning. There's no way I could have found this myself. I almost made a really big mistake.

PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 11:00 am
by BtEtta
B.T. Isaac wrote:I've updated my list of avatars, and I would really appreciate some feedback on them.

I was thinking of posting some strips I coloured. Can I post them here, or is there some sort of trick with posting them them?
My you have been busy, excellent work.

B.T. Isaac wrote:The following are the new ones. They are all PNG, exept for the jeremy avatar, wich was too large, and I had to compress it.
Depending on how much over the limit it was you might have had some success taking it under the limit with PNGOUT (the command-line version is free.)

PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 1:37 pm
by Kelvandil
xyzzy_n wrote:
B.T. Isaac wrote:I was thinking of posting some strips I coloured.
Please see [url=http://forums.keenspot.com/viewtopic.php?p=1194878#1194878]Dan

PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 4:34 am
by B.T. Isaac
Kelvandil wrote:
xyzzy_n wrote:
B.T. Isaac wrote:I was thinking of posting some strips I coloured.
Please see [url=http://forums.keenspot.com/viewtopic.php?p=1194878#1194878]Dan

PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:30 am
by B.T. Isaac
Well, I updated again. Like allways, I would appreciate some feedback.