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[S.T.O.R.Y. 5/1/02] Elliot needs a reboot

PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:12 pm
by Chaos Priest
http://www.egscomics.com/d/20020501.html

Come on man, I know you're shocked and all but if ya keep that mouth of yours hanging open like that you're gonna drool all over the coat of solitude.

Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 5/1/02] Elliot needs a reboot

PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:08 am
by Nightranger
I guess that's just the risk you take running Windows.

Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 5/1/02] Elliot needs a reboot

PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:21 am
by The Old Hack
At least he wouldn't be in Vista mode back then.

Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 5/1/02] Elliot needs a reboot

PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:29 am
by Dragonstar
The Old Hack wrote:At least he wouldn't be in Vista mode back then.



Worse . . . I think he may have been running ME.

Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 5/1/02] Elliot needs a reboot

PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:30 am
by The Old Hack
Dragonstar wrote:Worse . . . I think he may have been running ME.

Arrrggghhh! Ah well, at least ME didn't try to force out other versions. Or if it did, it didn't succeed.

Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 5/1/02] Elliot needs a reboot

PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:57 am
by Unforgiven
The Old Hack wrote:
Dragonstar wrote:Worse . . . I think he may have been running ME.

Arrrggghhh! Ah well, at least ME didn't try to force out other versions. Or if it did, it didn't succeed.

But unlike Vista, ME was actually bad. Vista just has a bad reputation, which is undeserved imo.

Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 5/1/02] Elliot needs a reboot

PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 12:28 pm
by ChronosCat
== Spring, 2006 ==

Chronos: Ah, drama.

== Dec, 2008 ==

Unforgiven wrote:But unlike Vista, ME was actually bad. Vista just has a bad reputation, which is undeserved imo.


Crystal: I haven't used Vista, so I wouldn't know. However, I would imagine it wouldn't have gained a bad reputation if it didn't have some flaws that XP didn't.

Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 5/1/02] Elliot needs a reboot

PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 1:01 pm
by Dragonstar
ChronosCat wrote:== Spring, 2006 ==

Chronos: Ah, drama.

== Dec, 2008 ==

Unforgiven wrote:But unlike Vista, ME was actually bad. Vista just has a bad reputation, which is undeserved imo.


Crystal: I haven't used Vista, so I wouldn't know. However, I would imagine it wouldn't have gained a bad reputation if it didn't have some flaws that XP didn't.


It is actually the same as most of Windows OS's:

Released with many bugs. (Mostly fixed)
Released with compatibility issues with various hardware. (Mostly fixed)
Released with highly annoying features that most experienced users simply turn off (if they can)
Is a resource hog that required most PCs to upgrade things like RAM to alleviate (Interestingly enough, many users actually make excuses for this)

XP had this problem when first released, too.

Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 5/1/02] Elliot needs a reboot

PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 1:28 pm
by ChronosCat
So it was only bad early on? That's good to know. I don't expect to ever have it as my main home OS (I prefer Macs, not that they're perfect either), but I'm sure at some point I'll have to use it for some reason.

Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 5/1/02] Elliot needs a reboot

PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 1:44 pm
by ChibiCarrera
ChronosCat wrote:So it was only bad early on? That's good to know. I don't expect to ever have it as my main home OS (I prefer Macs, not that they're perfect either), but I'm sure at some point I'll have to use it for some reason.


I have a Mac myself. Like you said, not perfect. But I think it's pretty dang great!
My dad got Vista when it first came out. He never verbally talked about the problems with it. However, he spent many hours in his office upgrading things.

Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 5/1/02] Elliot needs a reboot

PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:42 pm
by Unforgiven
ChronosCat wrote:I haven't used Vista, so I wouldn't know. However, I would imagine it wouldn't have gained a bad reputation if it didn't have some flaws that XP didn't.

The problem is that a lot of the claims come from people who have never even used Vista. Some of the claims (particularly those around DRM) are complete and utter lies. Some of them, like Vista's heavier resource usage, have some truth to them but are grossly exaggerated. Some come from simple misunderstandings; it's reputation as a RAM-hog comes largely from its aggressive pre-fetch caching (SuperFetch) which doesn't actually affect anything because that memory gets released when applications need it (Vista does require more memory than XP, but again not as bad as some people say). The higher level of disk thrashing (caused by e.g. SuperFetch and the search indexer) can also give the perception of reduced performance even though the actual impact is minimal.

Another major claim against Vista revolves around UAC (the elevation dialogs), which has at least some truth to it. Depending on your usage patterns you may see this more often than others. I see it relatively often but the average user won't see it as much after they've set up the things they need. I personally don't mind it, in fact I love it! UAC finally makes the principle of least privilege usable in Windows, something which I've been campaigning for among developers for many years. As part of that I of course also ran XP with a limited user account, and let me tell you, if Vista's UAC is like someone tapping you on your shoulder every time you need to elevate something, the same experience in XP is like having someone perform a root canal. It could definitely be improved upon though, especially when navigating protected folders in Windows Explorer the experience can be rather painful.

Finally, a lot of the smaller problems come from the fact that Vista isn't XP. If you expect things to work exactly like XP, you'll be unpleasantly surprised. The same would be true if you switched from XP to any other operating system that isn't exactly like it.

I have used Vista on numerous machines ever since it was in beta and I am by no means claiming it is completely problem free. But I use it full time on all my computers (except when I need to use Linux for work-related purposes) and the things it does better than XP far outweigh the few annoyances I have with it. I wouldn't go back to XP if you paid me to (well, depends on how much you want to pay, but it'd have to be a lot! :P )

Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 5/1/02] Elliot needs a reboot

PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 8:12 pm
by Darekun
The Old Hack wrote:
Dragonstar wrote:Worse . . . I think he may have been running ME.

Arrrggghhh! Ah well, at least ME didn't try to force out other versions. Or if it did, it didn't succeed.

It was kinda the opposite, ME was only there to be forced out on behalf of 98SE.

Unforgiven wrote:But unlike Vista, ME was actually bad. Vista just has a bad reputation, which is undeserved imo.

Strongly disagree. The problem with Vista is that it's aimed at people who've never touched a computer. My stepdad, who barely knows how to operate a web browser, is too computer-literate to use Vista effectively, and has actually said he wishes he'd listened to me when I told him not to get a computer with Vista on it.

The beta, on the other hand, was worth something. My roommate, a bleeding-edger, kinda liked the beta, and had upgraded it several times... But a couple weeks after SP1 came out, gave up and went back to XP.

Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 5/1/02] Elliot needs a reboot

PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 8:55 pm
by nitpicking
I've been working with computers professionally since I was responsible for upgrading my floor's computers from DOS 6 to Windows 3.0.

Vista is a downgrade from XP in most respects. UAC is one reason, resource hogging another, just plain insulting the user's intelligence my biggest gripe.

Note: I use Vista, XP, and Linux every day. Also NetBSD, now that I think about it.

Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 5/1/02] Elliot needs a reboot

PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 9:57 pm
by SleepyOrigami
Does anyone else see the two little black dots just above the ice cream menu in panels 1 and 3? I wonder if this is a secret message of some sort. I must go add this to my cork board with thumbtacks and various lengths of yarn! If I do this often enough surely I will find a pattern in this seemingly random data.

Also, they just leave the ice cream on the table? Seriously?! In most ice cream places I know, it is common courtesy to clean up after oneself before you leave. It would be eerie if *uses cross-dimensional time machine to steal their abandoned ice cream* :shifty: *runs*

Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 5/1/02] Elliot needs a reboot

PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 11:46 pm
by Unforgiven
Darekun wrote:Strongly disagree. The problem with Vista is that it's aimed at people who've never touched a computer. My stepdad, who barely knows how to operate a web browser, is too computer-literate to use Vista effectively, and has actually said he wishes he'd listened to me when I told him not to get a computer with Vista on it.

We must agree to disagree then. I have used computers for many years. The first version of Windows I've used was Windows 3.0, and I have used every version since then. I have beta tested versions of Windows for Microsoft since Windows 2000. I have extensive experience with many flavours of Unix. I have a Master's degree in Computer Science, and am currently studying for a PhD.

Yet, I still love Vista. It isn't perfect, but it's definitely better than XP, even for someone with my level of experience. I know dozens of people, all power users, who share my opinion. Yes, that is anecdotal evidence so in the end it doesn't really matter. But it is my opinion.

I can give you a list of all the things I like in Vista that are better than XP, if you want. :P

Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 5/1/02] Elliot needs a reboot

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:31 am
by Ineluki
Content Vista user here. It works fine since I bought it (~1 year after release).
Yes, 25-30gig partitions are a bit much for the OS only, but wth. It was bound to happen sooner or later. And a 500gig hdd ain't so expensive anymore.
Only thing that got me riled up now is that I haven't found out yet how to friggin disable that &#ยง%&"% "Tablet PC Input Panel" without disabling the whole driver -.-

Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 5/1/02] Elliot needs a reboot

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:01 pm
by Tarvok
Dragonstar wrote:Is a resource hog that required most PCs to upgrade things like RAM to alleviate (Interestingly enough, many users actually make excuses for this)

XP had this problem when first released, too.


I don't know about XP upon release, but even for old hardware, XP after being patched a few times was an improvement over Windows 98. I had access, through school, to a free install of XP, so I figured, what the heck, and installed it on my old Windows 98 based Gateway, just to see what happened. I was expecting the computer to run more slowly as a result of installing a newer OS. Instead, there was a marked improvement in performance. I was very surprised.

Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 5/1/02] Elliot needs a reboot

PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:45 am
by DeaExMachina
Elliot may be a bit emo right now, but he has never been emo enough to ever have run on ME. ME is probably the only OS to ever hurt it's self. My biggest complaint with Windows Vista is that animated GIFs don't animate in the default image browser. They decided to bump animated GIF support because it was out dated. Sure, the web browser may display the animated GIF properly, but where is the button on the web browser for the "next picture?" Is it too much to ask for a My Pictures screen saver that handles animated GIFs properly?