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Postby Chaos Priest on Tue Dec 02, 2008 6:32 pm

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I wonder how often that happens to The Sensei. It seems it would be a bit detrimental to teaching the class so I'd hope it isn't that often, but the way Elliot and Nanase take it in stride implies that they've seen it before, many times.

As for the art in the comic, I like the way the clothing in panel 5 looks, but that space ship is just ugly.
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Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 4/21/02] The first bunny

Postby SleepyOrigami on Tue Dec 02, 2008 8:27 pm

I like the spaceship. I could spend hours trying to make sense of those strange markings on it. My current theory is that it looks kind of like the Loch Ness Monster with long hair and a smiley face tattoo on its back.

I also like the way The Sensei thinks. It's fun to project television onto real life situations whenever possible. The first time I read this comic, I didn't realize that the two characters in the thought bubble were Elliot and Nanase in costume. I also spent like two minutes trying to figure out where Nanase's eyebrow went in panel two before I realized she was winking.
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Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 4/21/02] The first bunny

Postby ChronosCat on Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:34 pm

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Chaos Priestess wrote: but that space ship is just ugly.

It looks biological to me; some sort of plant/dragon/ship hybrid. If that's the case, it could be a cool ugly... But given that the LBBS doesn't seem to be a very ground-breaking series, I suspect it's supposed to be a regular ship, in which case, yes, the ship is just plain ugly.
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Postby LadyofNonSequitur on Sun Dec 07, 2008 6:12 am

That's a ship?! I always thought it was an ugly dragon-thing... >.>
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Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 4/21/02] The first bunny

Postby Melvar on Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:49 am

ChronosCat\Crystal wrote:
Chaos Priestess wrote: but that space ship is just ugly.
It looks biological to me; some sort of plant/dragon/ship hybrid. If that's the case, it could be a cool ugly... But given that the LBBS doesn't seem to be a very ground-breaking series, I suspect it's supposed to be a regular ship, in which case, yes, the ship is just plain ugly.
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Postby The kool on Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:39 am

LadyofNonSequitur wrote:That's a ship?! I always thought it was an ugly dragon-thing... >.>

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Postby Dragonstar on Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:57 am

I rather like the "Brain Broken" expression Sarah has in this one.
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Postby ChronosCat on Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:00 pm

Melvar wrote:
ChronosCat\Crystal wrote:
Chaos Priestess wrote: but that space ship is just ugly.
It looks biological to me; some sort of plant/dragon/ship hybrid. If that's the case, it could be a cool ugly... But given that the LBBS doesn't seem to be a very ground-breaking series, I suspect it's supposed to be a regular ship, in which case, yes, the ship is just plain ugly.
A plant/dragon/ship hybrid wouldn't be ground-breaking! Would it?

As in "totally new", no, but series with prominent biological-ships are rare from what I can tell, and having it be a plant/dragon would add to the innovation.
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Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 4/21/02] The first bunny

Postby Man on the Moon on Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:03 pm

Biological spaceships is a really dumb idea that I'm surprised is as common as it is.
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Postby The Old Hack on Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:29 pm

Man on the Moon wrote:Biological spaceships is a really dumb idea that I'm surprised is as common as it is.

Ahhh, you're just sore because they can't be arsed to visit the Moon.
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Postby Man on the Moon on Sat Dec 13, 2008 9:59 am

The Old Hack wrote:
Man on the Moon wrote:Biological spaceships is a really dumb idea that I'm surprised is as common as it is.

Ahhh, you're just sore because they can't be arsed to visit the Moon.


Nobody ever wants to visit me. :(
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Postby azrael_2001 on Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:28 am

Man on the Moon wrote:Biological spaceships is a really dumb idea that I'm surprised is as common as it is.

You wanna back that assertion up with some reasoning here?
Since there aer dozens of reasons why bio-ships are good.
I mean, a plant-based ship would be awesome since it could recycle the crew's waste carbon dioxide by converting incoming interstellar radiation for a start.
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Postby Chaos Priest on Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:50 am

But how would a biological ship last more than a few seconds in space?
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Postby ForkBomb on Sat Dec 13, 2008 1:41 pm

With a hard exoskeleton & carapace.
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Postby azrael_2001 on Sat Dec 13, 2008 2:46 pm

ForkBomb wrote:With a hard exoskeleton & carapace.

This.
In fact, it turns out that human skin is plenty adequate protection against vacuum except at the joints where it is more elastic. People die when exposed to vacuum because all their oxygen disappears more than anything else.
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Postby Man on the Moon on Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:19 pm

azrael_2001 wrote:You wanna back that assertion up with some reasoning here?


I could jump out of my ship with a knife between my teeth, cut a chunk out of your ship, then go back and fry it up for dinner.

More seriously, nuclear reactions do not mesh well with organic materials. What exactly is going to be the power source?
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Postby The Old Hack on Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:34 pm

Man on the Moon wrote:
azrael_2001 wrote:You wanna back that assertion up with some reasoning here?


I could jump out of my ship with a knife between my teeth, cut a chunk out of your ship, then go back and fry it up for dinner.

And with that attitude you're wondering why no-one ever visits you? :o

More seriously, nuclear reactions do not mesh well with organic materials. What exactly is going to be the power source?

Solar wind for propulsion in-system? As for faster than light travel, well, I'll get back to you once we have some better idea of how to accomplish it... :-?
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Postby Man on the Moon on Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:42 pm

The Old Hack wrote:And with that attitude you're wondering why no-one ever visits you? :o


Like it's my fault you're flying delicious vittles.

Solar wind for propulsion in-system? As for faster than light travel, well, I'll get back to you once we have some better idea of how to accomplish it... :-?


Not just propulsion, but everything else. Lights, air circulation, all that stuff.
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Postby The Old Hack on Sat Dec 13, 2008 8:23 pm

Man on the Moon wrote:
Solar wind for propulsion in-system? As for faster than light travel, well, I'll get back to you once we have some better idea of how to accomplish it... :-?


Not just propulsion, but everything else. Lights, air circulation, all that stuff.

We were talking an organic vessel? Then it might produce fresh air through photosynthesis -- plenty of sunlight insystem. Light? Let's see, do we have a sun? Then we have plenty of solar energy to produce bioluminescence. A hydroponics garden, and we're eating. Yum. Heat -- well, in space the bigger problem is actually to get rid of excess heat. A good hard carapace with a double layer if you absolutely insist on insulation. An internet connection to the EGS homepage and archives? Aw crap, I knew we would run into trouble eventually... :cry:
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Postby Dragonstar on Sat Dec 13, 2008 8:37 pm

The Old Hack wrote:
Man on the Moon wrote:
Solar wind for propulsion in-system? As for faster than light travel, well, I'll get back to you once we have some better idea of how to accomplish it... :-?


Not just propulsion, but everything else. Lights, air circulation, all that stuff.

We were talking an organic vessel? Then it might produce fresh air through photosynthesis -- plenty of sunlight insystem. Light? Let's see, do we have a sun? Then we have plenty of solar energy to produce bioluminescence. A hydroponics garden, and we're eating. Yum. Heat -- well, in space the bigger problem is actually to get rid of excess heat. A good hard carapace with a double layer if you absolutely insist on insulation. An internet connection to the EGS homepage and archives? Aw crap, I knew we would run into trouble eventually... :cry:



Convert excess heat into power for propulsion and whatnot?
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Postby Nightranger on Sat Dec 13, 2008 9:54 pm

ForkBomb wrote:With a hard exoskeleton & carapace.

Or some sort of coral-like material, such as Yuzhaan-Vong vessels.
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Postby azrael_2001 on Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:02 am

Power sources could include eating stuff, using atmospheric oxygen gleaned from habitable worlds to oxidise hydrogen from gas giants and/or photosynthesis to reverse the above.
Also, there's no specific reason why you cant get biological structures to deposit a metallic shell/wires, so Bussard-type inertial electrostatic confinement fusion isn't out of the picture either. I suspect that the ability to mutate and evolve different shapes of reaction chamber might also hit on some manner of new design that is more efficient and/or safer maybe.

As for radiation, again nature leads the way - Deinococcus radiodurans exhibits ridiculous resistance to all manner of harsh environmental effects, including radiation.

I wouldn't want to bet on any of this evolving naturally of course, but no-one mentioned such a requirement. Speaking of which, I expect that it would also be possible that, by the time we're up to engineering organisms on this sort of scale, we'd also be at the point where we'd be able to add radiodurans-esque radiation resistance to people as well.
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Postby ForkBomb on Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:25 am

The Old Hack wrote:plenty of sunlight insystem. Light? Let's see, do we have a sun? Then we have plenty of solar energy to produce bioluminescence. A hydroponics garden, and we're eating. Yum. Heat -- well, in space the bigger problem is actually to get rid of excess heat. A good hard carapace with a double layer if you absolutely insist on insulation. An internet connection to the EGS homepage and archives? Aw crap, I knew we would run into trouble eventually... :cry:


Not going to be enough light, for two reasons. Light energy drops off ^3 so you have to be very very close to the star to get energy. So you'd have to sit in an earth-like or closer orbit for a lot of time to save up the power.
The other problem is that only your surface can collect light. The bigger you get the lower the ratio of surface / volume. Plants have a very high surface/volume ratio for a reason.

And nasa have the internet covered: http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2008/no ... ernet.html
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Postby Illusionist on Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:28 am

Man on the Moon wrote:
The Old Hack wrote:
Man on the Moon wrote:Biological spaceships is a really dumb idea that I'm surprised is as common as it is.

Ahhh, you're just sore because they can't be arsed to visit the Moon.


Nobody ever wants to visit me. :(


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Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 4/21/02] The first bunny

Postby The Old Hack on Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:29 am

ForkBomb wrote:
The Old Hack wrote:plenty of sunlight insystem. Light? Let's see, do we have a sun? Then we have plenty of solar energy to produce bioluminescence. A hydroponics garden, and we're eating. Yum. Heat -- well, in space the bigger problem is actually to get rid of excess heat. A good hard carapace with a double layer if you absolutely insist on insulation. An internet connection to the EGS homepage and archives? Aw crap, I knew we would run into trouble eventually... :cry:


Not going to be enough light, for two reasons. Light energy drops off ^3 so you have to be very very close to the star to get energy. So you'd have to sit in an earth-like or closer orbit for a lot of time to save up the power.
The other problem is that only your surface can collect light. The bigger you get the lower the ratio of surface / volume. Plants have a very high surface/volume ratio for a reason.

This is a problem how? You'll be able to use a solar sail for propulsion. If your vessel can produce a very large sail-like surface, possibly by means of spinnerets, why not have solar collectors on it as well? Then you have an energy collector and propulsion combined in one.
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