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[S.T.O.R.Y. 2/21/02] A confusion of identity

PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:27 pm
by Chaos Priest
http://www.egscomics.com/d/20020221.html

He's willing to call the girl by what she said her name was a minute ago? That's so sweet :D

Seriously though, this makes me wonder, who exactly does Shade/Grace see herself as? Does she think of herself as Grace or does she see herself as Shade Tail while wanting to become Grace?

Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 2/21/02] A confusion of identity

PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:53 pm
by Ineluki
I'll take Tedd's side here.... this is *still* confusing the heck ouf of me!
But yeah, I'm pretty sure she wants to become Grace, as you phrased it.

Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 2/21/02] A confusion of identity

PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:37 am
by The Old Hack
Possibly she associates being called 'Grace' with a better time of her life, for example when her (then unknown to her) grandfather was still around.

Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 2/21/02] A confusion of identity

PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:53 am
by Tuitsuro
At this point in the comic, I think she thought of herself as Grace. But it'd be interesting to see if she still thinks of herself as Grace now, after it was explained that the original Grace died some two decades earlier. In a way, she's just as much a clone of the original Grace as Ellen is a clone of Elliot.

Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 2/21/02] A confusion of identity

PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:49 am
by Haylo
Tuitsuro wrote:At this point in the comic, I think she thought of herself as Grace. But it'd be interesting to see if she still thinks of herself as Grace now, after it was explained that the original Grace died some two decades earlier. In a way, she's just as much a clone of the original Grace as Ellen is a clone of Elliot.
Grace does (or her human component does) match the modern scientific definition of a clone - another individual made with the same genetic material, as Ellen originally matched the science-fiction definition, an exact duplicate of an existing individual, including memories, but that doesn't in either case force them to think of themselves that way.

My guess is that Grace, with her liking for humans, prefers to think of her experiences in normal human terms: ā€œIā€™m Grace. I was named after my mother.ā€

Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 2/21/02] A confusion of identity

PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:53 am
by nitpicking
Grace (current) is no more a clone of the original Grace than I am a clone of my grandfather. 1/4 of her DNA is from Grace(1).

Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 2/21/02] A confusion of identity

PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 5:01 am
by Raging Mouse
nitpicking wrote:Grace (current) is no more a clone of the original Grace than I am a clone of my grandfather. 1/4 of her DNA is from Grace(1).


Although there is no actual statement regarding this, I suspect Grace retains more than the 1/4 (1/8?)expected share of each of her parents' genome. It's sort of required, since she can so fully emulate any of her parents. She has a full squirrel form and a full human form virtually identical with the dead Grace Sciuridae.

On the other hand, the lespuko form seems to be able to combine freely with any other form... but will not manifest itself as a "pure" form. Also, from what we've seen, the Uryuom side seems to only manifest in her transformation abilities and her antennae. Go fig.

Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 2/21/02] A confusion of identity

PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:56 am
by kyevan
Raging Mouse wrote:On the other hand, the lespuko form seems to be able to combine freely with any other form... but will not manifest itself as a "pure" form. Also, from what we've seen, the Uryuom side seems to only manifest in her transformation abilities and her antennae. Go fig.

I theorize that the coding for their native form is pretty weak, seeing as it doesn't matter much (comparitively)
Anyway, it's possible that Grace just has 160ish chromosomes. (Squirrels have 40, humans 46, I'm here assuming about 40 for each of uryuom and lespuko. Assuming they even bundle their genetic information the same way we do...)

Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 2/21/02] A confusion of identity

PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:04 am
by nitpicking
If Grace(2) retains a full genome of both squirrel and human, she still isn't a clone of Grace(1).

Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 2/21/02] A confusion of identity

PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 11:57 am
by Tuitsuro
I'm not saying she's a complete copy, a genetic clone, or even a twin. But her adopted-grandfather specifically used his daughter's DNA to effectively reincarnate the original Grace into the new seylunolu(sp) form; so it's not wholly inaccurate to say she's a clone of the original. That was his intent. The kicker issue is that she was named Grace for that very reason, because she was created to be like Grace Sciuridae. So is she really Grace now, or is she Grace the Second, or, does she still feel that Grace is even her true identity?

Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 2/21/02] A confusion of identity

PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:39 pm
by nitpicking
Clone means "genetically identical organism". (Technically it means "group of genetically identical organisms.") Identical twins are clones. Plants raised from cuttings of the same parent plant are called a "clone". (That's where the term comes from).

What Grace(2) is, is Grace(1)'s daughter. That's why both she and Dr. Sciuridae call him her grandfather. He is.

Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 2/21/02] A confusion of identity

PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:20 pm
by Nightranger
Me, I just say Grace has a sufficiently-advanced biology. :P

Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 2/21/02] A confusion of identity

PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:34 pm
by Raging Mouse
nitpicking wrote:Clone means "genetically identical organism". (Technically it means "group of genetically identical organisms.") Identical twins are clones. Plants raised from cuttings of the same parent plant are called a "clone". (That's where the term comes from).

What Grace(2) is, is Grace(1)'s daughter. That's why both she and Dr. Sciuridae call him her grandfather. He is.


Clone has more than the biological textbook meaning. Squirrel-Grace is not a biological clone, but she sure is a clone nevertheless of ghost-grace.

Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 2/21/02] A confusion of identity

PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 11:00 pm
by Tuitsuro
nitpicking wrote:Clone means "genetically identical organism". (Technically it means "group of genetically identical organisms.") Identical twins are clones. Plants raised from cuttings of the same parent plant are called a "clone". (That's where the term comes from).

What Grace(2) is, is Grace(1)'s daughter. That's why both she and Dr. Sciuridae call him her grandfather. He is.


You certainly live up to your name. :wink:

Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 2/21/02] A confusion of identity

PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 7:36 am
by nitpicking
Tuitsuro wrote:You certainly live up to your name. :wink:

This is more about my being a biologist by training.

Clone has multiple meanings, but in this context you don't mean the Photoshop tool, so ....

Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 2/21/02] A confusion of identity

PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:21 am
by Raging Mouse
Nope, I don't mean the Photoshop tool. I don't mean the biological definition either. That's why I said so in the last post.

Re: [S.T.O.R.Y. 2/21/02] A confusion of identity

PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:48 am
by ChronosCat
== Spring, 2006 ==

Chronos: How sweet. I guess being seen as a person is more important to Grace than solving whatever her problem is - unless the two are somehow connected. (Darn, looks like she prefers "Grace". I still think "Shade" sounds cooler.)