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Postby [Edit] on Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:05 am

"alittle respect" is what I said.

Something above "a metric shitload of generic pop-punk snore-fest crammed into little plastic discs" perhaps. Maybe "They're alright".

I'm not sure what Blink did to you to get their basic respect revoked. I just assumed they played music and made money, or something.
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Postby Psyonide on Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:47 am

Perhaps I should clarify this:
I believe that respect should be given for things you think are good, not for things you think are bad. Simple enough.
Blink have done nothing to me, except cause mild annoyance with bad music. If I met them, I wouldn't spit in their faces and tell them they suck (unless they provoked me to). As I said, I'd treat them as I would any other person that I'd never met. If they asked me what I thought of their music, I'd tell them. I wouldn't just go up and thrust my opinion in their faces though.

If you'd care to explain exactley why this is so bad, we might make some progress here.
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Postby [Edit] on Sun Apr 03, 2005 5:44 am

Well, no, your clarification changed a few things. And you keep jumping around, I never said you'd spit in their faces, or implyed that you'd be publicly (to their faces publicly, not MiH publicly) rude to them, nor did we even begin to discuss how you would act around them, or what that has to do with the discussion.

All I can see that I've said so far (just to keep this in order) is that I liked some of their old stuff, and that if someone trys really hard to do something like they have, then we should at least be able to say "They're alright". I mean, have you ever put words to music? Not easy. Thats not the point, though. Finally, that I'm not sure what they did to loose their respect, as you have already said that Dude Ranch was "ok", which is respectful enough.

Like I was saying, though, you clarifyed to say respect has to do with opinion, which I can't/won't argue against, nor can I say there is anything wrong with, rationally.

And we need to make a better line between "basic respect" and "respect", as you've declared them. Basic respect, I see, is "(ie. Common courtesy, not being a prick to someone for no reason etc.) is something you should have for everyone.", but then you said I used "respect" in a different way when I said "alittle respect" (I assume you were refering to that, it was implied that both times I mentioned "respect" in my original statement that I meant "alittle respect", as in "They're alright)), and I am not sure how the two are different.

Personally, theres nothing wrong with your above statement.
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Postby Khris on Sun Apr 03, 2005 7:47 am

Saying "They're alright" is going beyond basic respect, then. Basic respect is not dedicating your life to telling them they suck, and to telling everyone who does in fact like them that they shouldn't. If you keep it subjective, you're giving them the "basic respect" in a) leaving them alone to do what they want to do, and b) letting other people decide for themselves. You don't need to say "Well, I personally can't stand their music, but they're alright, only because if I didn't say that I would be a bad person" to leave it at a polite and courteous level.
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Postby TFBrett on Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:22 am

I usually don't bash bands out of respect for people who like them, even when I can't find even a small reason as to why the hell anyone would (like them). I don't respect Blink very much at all... Not only are they boring, generic, and label-influenced, but nothing they do is complex, challenging or unique. It just plain bores me. Their drummer is awesome, but rarely if ever do they use him to his full potential.
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Postby Moniker on Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:43 am

TFBrett wrote:Their drummer is awesome, but rarely if ever do they use him to his full potential.


Man. These are the truest words you have ever written on MiH.
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Postby Psyonide on Sun Apr 03, 2005 3:51 pm

[Edit] wrote:Well, no, your clarification changed a few things. And you keep jumping around, I never said you'd spit in their faces, or implyed that you'd be publicly (to their faces publicly, not MiH publicly) rude to them, nor did we even begin to discuss how you would act around them, or what that has to do with the discussion.

Yeah, I have a tendancy to run with whatever I'm talking about, whether I've made it clear or not.

All I can see that I've said so far (just to keep this in order) is that I liked some of their old stuff, and that if someone trys really hard to do something like they have, then we should at least be able to say "They're alright". I mean, have you ever put words to music? Not easy. Thats not the point, though. Finally, that I'm not sure what they did to loose their respect, as you have already said that Dude Ranch was "ok", which is respectful enough.

As I said, I dislike their other albums. For pretty much the exact reason(s) that Brett made mention of. That's not to say that I don't like music that isn't 'complex' or 'challenging' etc. but just because you're making mainstream music doesn't mean you have to make it boring.

Like I was saying, though, you clarifyed to say respect has to do with opinion, which I can't/won't argue against, nor can I say there is anything wrong with, rationally.

Good =)

And we need to make a better line between "basic respect" and "respect", as you've declared them... I am not sure how the two are different.

I read what you were saying as 'They are better at music than you are so you should respect them for it' and disagreed with that, saying that I would show them the same level of respect that I would any other person I meet but no more than that.

Personally, theres nothing wrong with your above statement.

You have *no* idea how refreshing it is to hear that =)
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Postby EventSpire on Sun Apr 03, 2005 4:21 pm

[Edit] wrote:Not to sound only old school, but Dude Ranch and Enema of the State were good, I don't care what anyone says. I stopped paying attention after that. I did meet them once, they're much smellier in person.


But you do sound only old school! Bahahahhaha! You lousy fucker! I am going to rape your skull! Ahahahahahah!
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Postby Psyonide on Sun Apr 03, 2005 6:49 pm

He's back =)
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Postby FunnyComic Lover on Sun Apr 03, 2005 7:13 pm

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Postby Psyonide on Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:21 pm

Was it ever?
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Postby FunnyComic Lover on Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:41 pm

I'm sure there was a time when everybody felt more secure, but...

EventSpire wrote:
[Edit] wrote:Not to sound only old school, but Dude Ranch and Enema of the State were good, I don't care what anyone says. I stopped paying attention after that. I did meet them once, they're much smellier in person.


But you do sound only old school! Bahahahhaha! You lousy fucker! I am going to rape your skull! Ahahahahahah!


...That, ended the false sense of security. At least it did for me.

*nervous glances*
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Postby phantomdog on Sun Apr 03, 2005 11:36 pm

oh man... i work far too much... i cant keep up... im not sure how this turned into a blink bash... I, for one, like blink 182... well, there old stuff, there new stuff is turning emoish

ok and to cap on the BSB thing... they were comming out with a new cd and they decided not to finish it, but rather just do a single, "incompleat" how do i know this? im not realy sure... kind of scares me in fact. :shivers:

oh well... go on with your blink bash
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Postby [Edit] on Mon Apr 04, 2005 10:19 am

Aww, Event, your such a tease.

And I think your the only one worried, FCL. Its good to have Event here.

Anyway, Psy, I feel like we've discussed this about as much as any two people should. You made a good post, and I don't feel like I can disagree with what you were saying anymore. Onto Green Day!

They're becoming mainstream has erked me out a bit. Not that its a bad thing, but it kinda sounds like their playing for the wrong crowd, now, or something. I miss their "Dookie" sound, but I guess people change. At least "Holiday" wasn't so bad.

(Interesting fact- "Dookie" was the first CD I ever bought!)
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Postby phantomdog on Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:03 am

its not there fault, that kind of music is what ppl are listining to now a days... listin around a bit, no one seems to care about slipknot or hate breed anymore, they want some emo bullshit that makes them cry in there rooms cuz mommy didnt love them enough to buy them a new car.

oh, and edit. that wasnt interesting at all
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Postby mithril721 on Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:26 pm

Nimrod was one of my first CDs... then when I was in 7th grade some kid borrowed my CD case and lost that one out of it. I was pretty mad. I just got another copy of it last year from one of my friends (I'm a sophomore in college now, so that was a long time).
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Postby TFBrett on Mon Apr 04, 2005 1:17 pm

Nobody wants emo music. They want pop punk with a bunch of losers dressed like emo stars. My Chemical Romance, The Used, and Good Charlotte and A Simple Plan are not emo. They're gay, really bad pop punk. (except MCR has a good guitarist.)

Saosin, Coheed and Cambria, maybe At the Drive-In. those are some real emo bands. and they're good.
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Postby [Edit] on Mon Apr 04, 2005 1:32 pm

I keep hearing that all you people hate "emo". I don't even think you know what your hating. I grew up listening to a large amount of jazz. Real jazz, and those guys were sad. Sometimes they sang about being sad, sometimes they didn't have to. You just knew it. blah blah blah, emo music can be good. Don't hate it because it's cool. I think I remember Psy venting about this, and it was some good venting. Reguardless, your right Brett, pop punk is tired. It was good for a few years, now we move on.

The Verve Pipe was a good emo band. I'm not really sure if they'd fall into that catagory perfectly, but they were good all the same.

And Nimrod was alright. Coheed is always good for a laugh, not sure if I'd want to hear them being serious.

PS- Hating Emo Kids is alright. And anyone who labels themselves into one group. Goth, Indie, Punk, etc. You won't get any arguement from me.
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Postby TFBrett on Mon Apr 04, 2005 1:45 pm

I don't even mind pop punk. I love Pulley and the lighter Bad Religion songs (off their new album anyways). i just hate the bands mentioned above because they're sellouts.

A Simple Plan I hate the most. They used to be a band called "Reset" and they were really fucking good. Talented, smooth, and their songs were awesome. Then came the major record label deal... and A Simple Plan was born.
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Postby [Edit] on Mon Apr 04, 2005 1:52 pm

You used to be able to mix up Guttermouth and Blink songs. So I guess you could call the music Guttermouth plays "pop punk", but their not exactly mainstream material. I guess that was alittle random. I'm just distracting myself from an Exam I'm working on.

How about ska? You like ska? I like ska. Hell, I like anything. I like Charlie Daniels and Stevie Ray Vaughn. Theres nothing I won't try once.
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Postby TFBrett on Mon Apr 04, 2005 2:29 pm

I like alot of junk too. Ska's definitely in the mix. Catch 22 and their "next band", Streetlight Manifesto are awesome. (Catch was better though). Mad Caddies also rule.
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Postby YarnIsland on Mon Apr 04, 2005 2:57 pm

Yeah. Catch 22 and Streetlight Manifesto = awesome.

Also Rx-Bandits, Reel Big Fish, Spring-Heeled Jack, Less Then Jake, Suburban Legends, and honestly a lot more.
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Postby [Edit] on Mon Apr 04, 2005 3:26 pm

Lets just get this out and name some of the bands we think are cool. Also, we can say we like the bands other people mentioned.

I like RBF, Yarn, they rock. Also, I've been known to listen to Op Ivy, Incubus, Bikini Kill, They Might be Giants, Woodie Guthrie, Dylan, Wierd Al (!!!), Evergreen Terrace, Rasputina, VNV Nation, Sublime, and basically anything that comes on many, many radio stations. Also, I support a large amount of the garage bands that play in the Atlanta area. I think thats about it.
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Postby YarnIsland on Mon Apr 04, 2005 3:33 pm

Oh, I was just doing ska bands I liked. All bands I like would be bigger but for the sake of (your mom) I will just name a few of my favorite:

Say Anything
Rilo Kiley
The Shins
John Vanderslice
The Ataris
Barenaked Ladies
Taking Back Sunday
Piebald
Something Corporate
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Modest Mouse

There really are a lot more, those are just some off the top of my head.
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Postby YarnIsland on Mon Apr 04, 2005 3:34 pm

[Edit] wrote:Lets just get this out and name some of the bands we think are cool. Also, we can say we like the bands other people mentioned.

I like RBF, Yarn, they rock. Also, I've been known to listen to Op Ivy, Incubus, Bikini Kill, They Might be Giants, Woodie Guthrie, Dylan, Wierd Al (!!!), Evergreen Terrace, Rasputina, VNV Nation, Sublime, and basically anything that comes on many, many radio stations. Also, I support a large amount of the garage bands that play in the Atlanta area. I think thats about it.
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