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Postby The Godmexican on Tue Mar 22, 2005 1:24 pm

yeah yeah, of course given my history on these forums, you wouldnt usually find me bringing up somewhat of an important topic but...well...it involves me (age 17)

in the Toledo Blade, an actual person that works FOR the blade wrote an editorial regarding, and dubbing, those who fall between the ages of 8 to 18 as Generation M. M for media. he/she said that those of GM spend on average 8 and a half hours per day in things considered "new media" like computers, recent video games, just recent stuff opposed to "old media" like music and family games and all that stuff

the big point of the whole article was directed to how generation M will bring forth the downfall of society in the USA. they said something along the lines of how we fall into the "I" instead of the "me" category in the sociological aspect of those within society.

i dont know what to think really, i mean old generations blame new generations for crap, and new generations blame old generations for crap. before giving my personal opinion regarding this, i kind of want to hear from all points from other peeps. (meaning how long will the seriousness of this thread will last before the jokes come in)

oh and another think, how come they havent given an official title to the generation between X and M?
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Postby YarnIsland on Tue Mar 22, 2005 1:41 pm

I don't really like statistics and all that jazz. So they had a survey, or a questionare, or something to come up with some results and make a statment saying what they think. So the stats say you guys watch and play all kinds of new media. I think that's kind lame because its just a statistic.

I don't know, I guess that means (to me) that just because its a statistic obviously doesn't mean its true. You could very well be one of the ones that doesn't watch and play and live up to the assumtion but people who have read the article about your generation will assume so anyways.

Just like 'all black people like chicken' and 'if you're mexican you're filthy' or etc etc. It's basically stero-types, unless I am way off, I disagree with the article and that's all I think.
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Postby Psyonide on Tue Mar 22, 2005 2:39 pm

Just sounds like your average newspaper editorial to me: some right-wing tool off on a rant about absolutely nothing at all.
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Postby mithril721 on Tue Mar 22, 2005 3:39 pm

Yep, I agree with psyonide. And I don't really see the correlation between spending time on new media and the downfall of society...
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Postby The Godmexican on Tue Mar 22, 2005 5:21 pm

haha mithril thats awesome, we just learned about correlations today in social psych, the class that first brought up the whole generation M article.

i dont know what other newspapers say, being that ive grown up on the blade so much, but one of my older buddies works for a newspaper and he said the same thing psyionide said, that basically every newspaper has some editorial like the GM one
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Postby spinachdip on Tue Mar 22, 2005 5:22 pm

from an economic point of view, new media has been nothing if not fantastic for society.

If I really wanted to go pointing fingers while on the topic of the downfall of society I would blame overall bad foriegn policy, pollution and dependency on oil.

of course I really should be doing a sociology paper on AIDS effect on society right now....so I am going to go do that....but if anyone knows anything that I can use as work cited (because I am a lazy ass) dont be shy about sharing
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Postby Moniker on Tue Mar 22, 2005 6:26 pm

While I do think we're screwing ourselves over, I don't think it has anything to do with "new media." The internet, in my opinion, has provided access to more information than ever possible before. Granted more than half of it is crap, but the other half is still there. I can honestly say that I wouldn't know half the stuff I now know if it wasn't for the internet. For once, I can get news from the perspective of more than one country rather than my local news network being my only source.

Anyways, I haven't even read the article myself; so my comment might be completely irrelevant.
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Postby [Edit] on Wed Mar 23, 2005 3:42 pm

The Godmexican wrote:(meaning how long will the seriousness of this thread will last before the jokes come in)


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Postby EventSpire on Wed Mar 23, 2005 4:37 pm

Media is a business. Business, by nature, hates risks. They have people and formulas to gauge these things. Youth has the most time, disposeable income, and interest. A lot of things are marketed to them. Most media, entertainment wise, is geared towards them. Not all, mind you, but a lot. Most, I'd say. Teenagers, specifically. I won't get into a whole thing of art versus entertainment/business cause that'd be veering off, but kids aren't to blame for it. It is the providers, as well. Along with a plethora of other things.
Is that on topic? I hope that added something.
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Postby [Edit] on Wed Mar 23, 2005 4:53 pm

The nature of MiH threads is to veer off. And I've heard all this teenage stereotype stuff all too much. The art vs. entertainment/business conversation sounds interesting, as I've never heard it discussed.

I had other things to say, but, eh, this topic is tired in my head, Psy put it well, and I still think Event's quote is fairly relevant here.
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Postby Khris on Wed Mar 23, 2005 6:55 pm

Weren't they saying the exact same thing about television 50 years ago? Radio 80 years ago?

If anything, I think the internet especially is a much better medium for young people these days (or anyone, really) to spend on than any other. For one thing, it's two-directional. When I read the newspaper, I just read it. Sure, I can write in a letter to the editor, but the purpose of the newspaper remains a one-directional medium. The same thing can be applied to radio (as 99.9% of it is just commercial radio, music or talk), television, advertisements, et cetera. On the internet, feedback is easier to do and more welcomed. Also, there are more easily accessible alternative sources of information on the internet, which means that you can, by a click of a button, get a different side to the story, without having to pay high subscription fees or anything like that (usually). The internet is not corporately owned (yet). Television and radio are vastly corporately owned, and most of the well-circulated written forms of information are also owned by corporations and operated as businesses. The information we get from these is more likely to be biased, and it's more likely to be selected to be entertaining, rather than informing.

I think that, if any damage, the worst the internet is going to do is to get a larger portion of today's young population to think differently and look for change. Of course, then I look at the people who use the internet, and then I get back to my original notion that no, the worst the internet can do is defoul the English language into chatspeak and spread vicious rumors faster.

I'm not sure about videogames, because I really don't play those very often, but the issues right winged bastards like that tend to have with the internet are only fears that they will be overpowered by a renewed left. I really don't think they have anything to be afraid of, and even if they are overpowered by a renewed left, I won't be whining.
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Postby Brady Kj on Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:14 pm

Khris wrote:If anything, I think the internet especially is a much better medium for young people these days (or anyone, really) to spend on than any other. For one thing, it's two-directional.
Yes, but you could be spending your time doing something productive instead of sitting in front of 8 hours a day (although that number is clearly unrealistically high).

Khris wrote:The internet is not corporately owned (yet). Television and radio are vastly corporately owned, and most of the well-circulated written forms of information are also owned by corporations and operated as businesses. The information we get from these is more likely to be biased, and it's more likely to be selected to be entertaining, rather than informing.
Privately-owned things are at least as likely to be biased as corporately-owned, but it is a good thing that you can see so many different biased views on the internet, if you tolerate reading views that are different from your own (which too many people don't). And I agree with your thing about how information is not selected to be informing; that's one of the things I hate most about the events that happened in the beginning of radio.

Khris wrote:the issues right winged bastards like that tend to have with the internet are only fears that they will be overpowered by a renewed left. I really don't think they have anything to be afraid of, and even if they are overpowered by a renewed left, I won't be whining.
They're no more bastardly than the left wing. We really need a new wing.

Other than these points, I agree with you.




But I think we can use that Generation M article as an excuse to exterminate everyone between the ages of 8 and 18. This will be highly beneficial to society, as those kids are annoying, and also because we won't have to pay nearly as much for public education.

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Postby eskimodora on Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:16 pm

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Postby [Edit] on Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:23 pm

We have lots of "wings", really.

And at many times, sitting infront of your computer can be productive. Even for a teenager who dosn't do any work over the internet. Like she said, being exposed to many different views is good.

I don't know if you were joking about the exterminating the kids from 8 to 18, but I guess you were, so I'll ignore that.
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Postby Frostacular on Mon Mar 28, 2005 5:00 pm

To begin with, I don't agree with the 8-and-up cutoff; my brother's under eight and he watches 4 or 5 times more TV in a day than I do in a week.
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Postby surroundedbyidiots on Mon Mar 28, 2005 5:34 pm

i like the comment about different biased points of view. some of those remote liberal web sites are as sleezy if not worse than the sleezy conservative sites. the fact that anyone says "its the right wing" that wrote that article (essentially) is foolish for saying as much. Its not "the right wing" its "some idiot out where that guy lives" that wrote it. not everyone who has conservative points of view is a scared old rich guy tryna hold on to his money and his old fashioned point of view.

What does this article say? It says kids are spending a lot of time on computers and whatnot. well, i actually can see that the number given is probably not as inaccurate as you'd think. some kids spend as much as if not more than 40 hours a week hooked to mmorpg's and other high replay value video games.

Does this cause the downfall of our society? well, not really, it just causes a change in it. However, the culture of being a pot smoking counter strike addict who spends half their life doing that, and the other half looking at stupid videos at various websites like newgrounds wor whatever is more of a cause for concern. there are a lot more idiots out there these days, a lot of kids smokin weed at younger ages and all that. i'd be more concerned with the jaded point of view a lot of younger kids have. even in the grunge era it wasnt as bad as now.

and while we're on the subject (well not really, but i am) of conservative stuff, i wanna clear up one thing that i keep seeing (and go off topic at that). the whole criticism about right wingers who are pro life and support death penalty. yeah, i'm one of those guys. i think if u kill someone, you should die too. and i dont think theres something wrong with saying "this baby didnt do anything wrong, so he/she shouldnt die" at the same time. its the ones that approve killing everyone u should worry about.

well i went on a rant there and i'm pretty sure i came out of it not really saying everything i intended to initially, but well, i'm too lazy to go back now lol, as evidence by my laziness in capitolization, as i'm sure you've noticed by now.
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Postby [Edit] on Mon Mar 28, 2005 6:01 pm

Hmmm. You post ideas that are vaugly familiar to me. And yeah, there are alot of misconceptions about lefteys and righteys. I love how many of the liberals I used to know thought that they were sooo open-minded, and then thought anyone who had religion or was a rightey was closeminded. Anyone else know people like that? Bastards, all of them.

I really agree how the younger generation is jaded. But I can't really form opnions into words at the moment, as my train of thought just crashed.

Myself, I'm a moderate. In the center, mostly. Not so much that I don't pick sides on issues, but just enough that I won't get opinions tacked onto me for being left or right. But I'm not political enough to care about much of anything past education and the environment, which I am very much for.

My summary of the topic; kids will play video games. Alot. Then they'll watch TV. Alot. Then, if they want to, they'll find something better to do. Or not. Events will spire, then they'll die. The End.
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Postby EventSpire on Mon Mar 28, 2005 8:27 pm

Okay, Surrounded by Idiots got to the thread. The fetus has been poisoned. I'm out.
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Postby surroundedbyidiots on Mon Mar 28, 2005 9:14 pm

hahahahahaha
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Postby Khris on Mon Mar 28, 2005 9:40 pm

Brady Kj wrote:
Khris wrote:The internet is not corporately owned (yet). Television and radio are vastly corporately owned, and most of the well-circulated written forms of information are also owned by corporations and operated as businesses. The information we get from these is more likely to be biased, and it's more likely to be selected to be entertaining, rather than informing.
Privately-owned things are at least as likely to be biased as corporately-owned, but it is a good thing that you can see so many different biased views on the internet, if you tolerate reading views that are different from your own (which too many people don't). And I agree with your thing about how information is not selected to be informing; that's one of the things I hate most about the events that happened in the beginning of radio.


I totally agree that privately-owned things are just as biased as those that are corporately-owned. As long as you have a mix of them, things get better. In coporately dominated media like television and radio there's a lot less variety, and that's where the internet comes in handy. To much irony, there are even neo-Luddites who use the internet to put forth their anti-technology view.

It's always a good idea to know what all sorts of points of view are saying and it's good to know what the distinctions between right, left, and everything in the middle are so you can reason what different positions would be on your own. Far too many people put their opinion out there to correct those they disagree with, and far too many of them are assholes about it. I usually don't like debating things political because they get far too dirty far too fast, unless they're with the right people.

If anything, the only bad political influence the internet is having on today's youth is turning them all into assholes about their opinions. That I'm a little concerned about myself.
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Postby Psyonide on Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:52 am

surroundedbyidiots wrote:and while we're on the subject (well not really, but i am) of conservative stuff, i wanna clear up one thing that i keep seeing (and go off topic at that). the whole criticism about right wingers who are pro life and support death penalty. yeah, i'm one of those guys. i think if u kill someone, you should die too. and i dont think theres something wrong with saying "this baby didnt do anything wrong, so he/she shouldnt die" at the same time. its the ones that approve killing everyone u should worry about.

I'm not getting into a political debate here, I have another forum for that and I'm pretty sick of it. Let's leave it at "I disagree".
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Postby surroundedbyidiots on Tue Mar 29, 2005 1:00 pm

lol, well feel free to post all your responses in the other one here, since it will likely be the exact same conversation! seriously has there EVER been anyone who changed their minds once they made an opinion about abortion? lol. lol indeed.
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Postby Psyonide on Tue Mar 29, 2005 3:37 pm

Don't think I'll be doing that, I'd rather keep the forum (at least as far as my interactions with it goes) political-view(s) free.
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Postby YarnIsland on Tue Mar 29, 2005 4:10 pm

I can not agree with you more.
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Postby mithril721 on Tue Mar 29, 2005 5:21 pm

I CAN!

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