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Best Movie Based off a Video Game

Final Fantasy
5
28%
Mario Brothers
1
6%
Double Dragon
0
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Mortal Kombat
5
28%
Street Fighter
2
11%
Resident Evil
2
11%
Other
3
17%
 
Total votes : 18

Postby EventSpire on Tue Nov 02, 2004 2:46 pm

There are things that link the games. Some conventions always carry over. A certain style is present in them. I never bothered talking about how there are no sequels.

Oh, except Advent Children and the Vincent Spinoff to FF7, and FF10-2. Bitch.
But I digress.
Nobody cares that there are no sequels. That isn't even a point here.
I am not speaking sci-fi elements, I am speaking of a full blown sci-fi action movie on par with hollywood. FF8 was close, a lot of them were close, but this seemed like Square saying "Alright, we're going into movies, this isn't video games anymore, let's do this right" and they made it conventional and boring.
surroundedbyidiots, have you played a final fantasy game? No, from now on, you are Fagpie. Fagpie, when you're done stealing my lines like a drugged up slut on fabulous parade, they are not all different. There are conventions that carry over. Visually there are lots of trends, also in the main characters and villains and kingdoms and CHOCOBOS (dumb assholes). A lot of them were about kingdoms, and heroes, and dragons and combat and epic battles and tyrants and etc etc etc. Where were those epic fights? Where were the heroes and villains? I came out of it saying "This doesn't feel like Final Fantasy", and if you say that you did, then I don't get you. You're something else. I am not even that huge of a fan but damn it, something isn't right.

They put the Final Fantasy name on it. They didn't need to. It seems like a bad idea for them as a company. I think if they called it anything, like Ass Goat Roof Fuckers, then they could be taken seriously. But they didn't. Then their film failure wouldn't seem so pathetic. Why is the Final Fantasy name on this? It is just a bad idea. Fans would have gone anyway, man. Square is a big a name as FF. Instead of company brand recognition, they went for Franchise brand recognition, and after it is all said and done, that is what makes me embarassed by them.
And Psyonide, take your time. Luck is usually on my side and I always seem to catch these things early whenever I am on.
And yarnisland, sorry all this trouble was caused. But this sort of thing I don't get. I don't see this as a video game movie at all because I don't think Square intended it to. It seemed like they went out to prove they could make a movie. Something big and flashy, like their cinematics. We all knew it would come. They liked telling stories. While it shares the name, I am saying that the name is all it has in common with them games, which at this point has its own set of conventions dug deep like a trench.
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Postby YarnIsland on Tue Nov 02, 2004 4:18 pm

EventSpire wrote:And yarnisland, sorry all this trouble was caused. But this sort of thing I don't get. I don't see this as a video game movie at all because I don't think Square intended it to.


You don't have to apologize for all the trouble, I've actually had a lot of fun reading everyone's opionions (mostly your's and Psyonide's). I should apologise to you for putting Final Fantasy in, like I said before, I just thought 'well it has the name, might as well throw it in there, cause I need as many choices as I can get.' If I had a gun put to my head saying to chose a side I would probably just have to go with yours, because the movie really isn't Final Fantasy. I have to agree with you in their making a mistake in putting Final Fantasy. I remember seeing it, I got chills seeing "Squaresoft" come up in the begining, just seeing them make a movie was exciting enough, I feel that 'Final Fantasy' wasn't a needed title. If I chose Psyonide's side, I would argue that none of the movie's stories were that of the games. Like in Mario there "King Koopa" or whoever never wanted to merge the two worlds together, etc etc. But still, they had all the characters and everything so I wouldn't be able to hold that arguement as well. But seriously, wtf was up with the Goomba's in that movie? Remember the one with the Harmonica?

In the end of it all I say this has been fun, and the Goomba with the harmonica was one of my favorite characters.
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Postby Psyonide on Tue Nov 02, 2004 9:32 pm

Okay, I'm back and skirting the edges of a rather large hangover... so you'll need to excuse me if some of what I say doesn't quite sync. Chances are I'll be thinking more about feeling queasy than the topic at hand.

Now, I think the essential problem here is that you're looking at the film as if it should be just like one of the games. I'm pretty sure that most people did that, and that's why they were dissapointed with it. Of course Spirits Within would have to be a little different: The storyline had to be much shorter than the games, as it had to be delivered over the space of 2 hours or so, rather than upwards of 20. Also, the other large pitfall they had to contend with was bringing their characters to life in a visual sense, rather than largely through dialouge as per the games. I think they fell into a trap in that they spent too much time making their characters look good, but not making them good characters. There was a largish lack of depth to the characters that was a real dissapointment to me at least, and I'm sure other people too. But, anyway, time to move on to what you said.

"There are conventions that carry over. Visually there are lots of trends, also in the main characters and villains and kingdoms and CHOCOBOS (dumb assholes)." Yes, yes there are. I think I covered that in my first post. Something about seperate story-arcs in the one universe/similar worlds.
There was apparently a Chocobo in the film somewhere, hidden away as an Easter Egg. I don't remember seeing it. Biggs and Wedge were also meant to make an appearence, can't remember if that happened or not though. It's been a while. I wouldn't be suprised though, there were enough soldiers in the film.

"Where were those epic fights? Where were the heroes and villains? I came out of it saying "This doesn't feel like Final Fantasy", and if you say that you did, then I don't get you. You're something else. I am not even that huge of a fan but damn it, something isn't right."
As previously said, the scale of the story had to be smaler than other Final Fantasies, because of the relatively short medium. I think that their fight was epic enough, in the scale of things. Fighting what would seem to be an impossible fight against large, deadly creatures that they barely understand. Also, no heros and villains? What was the main character if not a hero? What was the bad guy if not a villian? No, it might not have felt like the kind of Final Fantasy you may have been expecting, but then again FFVII was pretty far removed from the previous games and barely anyone worried about that.

"The qualities of love interests, villains, fantastic locations, creative imagery, and maybe all sorts of plot twists. I saw nothing of the sort there." Odd, I saw all of that in the film. Granted, the characters weren't as fully developed as they could have been, as I've already said, and perhaps the plot twists weren't mind blowing (but not many films these days can claim that anyway) but those elements were there. Especially the locations and imagery. Those appeared in spades.

"I don't think Square went into this with the intention of making it in the style of their games. if they took the FF name out then it would be passed off as something completely different. At this point with the trend made and the trench dug, you can't say it is a departure. When you do that, I say you're a liar and I can't take anything seriously (Not towards you- I am talking to imagianry Square if they ever used that excuse)."

You see, I disagree. I think they went in with every intention of making it like their games, and that's where they struck trouble. Making a game into a full length film is no easy feat; especially with an RPG style game, where a lot of the story and background info is largely optional, and is left for the player to discover on their own. I mean, if you think about it, making an RPG into a movie takes away all the freedom of choice the player/viewer has, which is one of the main attractions of RPGs. Without that level of freedom, most RPG would be a rather bland affair, which is a reason that so many found the Spiritis Within to be boring.
Anyway, I think that Square did mean to make it as much like their games as possible (they wanted it to do well, obviously) but got caught on some details and didn't quite make as polished a product as they would have liked.


"And don't ever say I am wrong. I might be mistaken but wrong is such a sharp thing to say. That hurt, man."
Yeah, sorry. I know that this issue is largely subjective, so saying 'you're wrong' is un-called and pointless. I think your post just got to me a bit, is all. I have had to put up with a lot of trash talk about FF:SW (especially after seeing it with a group of frineds who hadn't even played an FF game before) and I guess it got under my skin some.
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Postby surroundedbyidiots on Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:19 am

Event can do that to you. He's like the forum's official little brother.

I also agree with pretty much everything you said there. But you only touched a little on the subject of bringing them to life, and I think that was they're biggest problem. I couldn't help but feel that some of the voice acting was a little too empty, which make's it hard to appreciate the already somewhat shallow dialogue.
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Postby EventSpire on Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:31 pm

This conversation is about how you think this should be included in as a movie based off a video game. But nobody is talking about whether it is good or bad. I am not interested in whether it is good or bad.

They could have crafted the entire story differently and they didn't. It looked really close to FF7 and FF8 (at the time) beause it was in the future. It just seemed flat to me. That is not a comment on the movie, but on storytelling. That is what Square likes to do, and their cinematics are an extention of that (I referr to Painkiller which had a fun game but the shattiest cinematics ever).
I just don't get how you can sit here and say it reminds you of the games or shares things involved with the games. For me there is no question and my mind is all bent out of shape. There were spirits, and that reminds me of some parts, because there's always been lots of spirits and ghosts and whatnot (Lifestream?)but it was also ghost creatures attacking marines and spaceships, and that reminds me of a hollywood action sci-fi thriller. The whole movie does. They have PROVEN themselves as competent storytellers, and that is why I left confused. They'd had so, so many games to get how to =tell stories, make characters, and etc etc etc. They should have been able to look at it as an opprotunity, not a challenge. I think they had the power to make a really good story in that time, but this looked more like a showpiece. They start with good visuals and then go in from there. I don't want to hear excuses on why this is a step down, because I know that.
FF games never had that much freedom, did they? You play a role, but FF games have always had side quests and stuff, but you follow this deep branching story. That was a lot of what FF was. Nowadays you might get more choices and games pride themselves at that, but Final Fantasy always seemed strict, and they knew what they were doing.

Even the science involved. There was not much of anything there to make it like any of the games or the themes they've established. That is what I said before in my long yawning boring gay ass post. Give me examples to the contrary and I'll listen.
See now we've gone crazy and talking about Square's intentions and this will only go deeper until EventSpire punches Scud.
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Postby Psyonide on Thu Nov 04, 2004 3:31 am

Like I said, this is all too subjective. All we're basically saying is "I liked it' and "I didn't like it", while trying to give the best reason for why we think that way. I think it's pretty obvious that neither of us are going to change each others opinions, so why not cut to the chase? You punch Scud, and I'll laugh at him for being punched. We'll both leave happy.
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Postby YarnIsland on Thu Nov 04, 2004 12:07 pm

although this is near pointless, i feel i should apologise for the way i phrased the survey. "based" probably wasn't the right word, because i do not think any of the movies really follow the actual story line of an actual game, they are mostly just following the themes, characters, settings, etc. mostly though it doesn't matter, i know, i just felt i should say sorry.

and i concur with Psyonide, Event should most definetly punch someone. and by someone i mean scud.
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Postby Scud422 on Thu Nov 04, 2004 12:23 pm

I just got here. Can anyone sum up what has been posted so far for me? I do not wish to read all 2 pages.
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Postby EventSpire on Thu Nov 04, 2004 12:31 pm

Scud422 wrote:I just got here. Can anyone sum up what has been posted so far for me? I do not wish to read all 2 pages.


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Postby Psyonide on Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:34 pm

Now that, that was smooth as ice and twice as cold. Good show!
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Postby dj-connor on Fri Nov 05, 2004 5:23 pm

Mortal Kombat easily my favourite probably because when it came out, pretty much my entire life was based in some way on Mortal Kombat 1, 2, 3 or Trilogy.

Street Fighter just became a Jean-Claude action flick ...

What's this animated Street Fighter movie called? I wanna see it now
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Postby dj-connor on Fri Nov 05, 2004 5:27 pm

And about Super Mario Brothers ... I saw that film not as a young kid but as an adolescent at a friend's place when I was in year 9 ... I'd always kinda wanted to see it ...

so disappointed ... Yoshi was shit ... there was no jumping over snails or mushrooms or flowers or pipes or ANYTHING!! I was like, when is the Super Mario bit gonna start?
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Postby YarnIsland on Fri Nov 05, 2004 6:38 pm

I was Reptile for Halloween in like 3rd or 4th grade. It was fantastic, someone's mom made us all costumes, so they looked net. We had Scorpion, Sub-Zero, Reptile, and I think Smoke. It was fantastic, we went around beating up old people and stealing candy.

Okay we didn't do that, but the costumes were great.

And the Mario Brothers movie was awesome. As un-marioish as it was, as most of us being little kids, we were amazed just to see flesh forms of the different characters. I thought it was pretty cool.
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Postby stardusty on Thu Nov 11, 2004 8:24 pm

If you had Tomb Raider up there, I would've chosen it. As for movies on that list actually (well...kinda) based off of games, Resident Evil gets my vote, although I like Final Fantasy a ton more. Street Fighter was a silly, silly movie, although I probably went into a joyful fit when I was young seeing a live action Cammy. <3 Cammy.

As for the Super Mario Bros. movie, the creators might as well have stabbed, raped and then pillaged the twitching corpse of Miyamoto. Worst video game to movie transition EVER.
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Postby YarnIsland on Thu Nov 11, 2004 9:13 pm

Well I did have an 'other' option to vote for so all you had to do was vote for that and then post that it was for Tomb Raider. Sorry I missed it. I kinda liked Mario, just because it was a fun movie to me, I was young and wasn't like 'oh well that part in the movie has nothing to do with the game' etc etc, it was just made to be fun, they weren't going for perfection there, and it shows.

I just rented and watched Mortal Kombat and it had been years before last night since i've seen it. I have to admit I noticed a lot more lame things in it, but I still got the chills watching it because I still think its awesome, and it brought back a lot of memories. lol 'this is where you fall'. Aw. Okay that's it.
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Postby FunnyComic Lover on Wed Jan 05, 2005 12:28 am

Mortal Combat got my vote, even though it was hardly based on the game, which i spose is pretty impossible because all you do is hit your opponent until he dies in a most gruesome fashion, Mortal Combat got my vote coz it was a sick movie, it did not follow the storyline because the game has very little storyline, it had all the characters their personalities and their kick ass-ness, the second movie was a VERY big disapointment, they could have made it so much better but instead they made it ridiculous and shitty.

P.S Scorpion and Reptile were awesome.
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Postby AwakeAndAlive1 on Wed Jan 05, 2005 2:41 am

Street Fighter should win, simply because it involved the ever-wonderful Raul Julia in one of his last roles. Other than that it was awful, though.
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Postby EventSpire on Wed Jan 05, 2005 12:57 pm

Well, if it was awful, then...
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