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Heard the great news The World of Darkness is Ending Huzzah

Postby manticoraus on Sat Sep 06, 2003 10:52 am

"The Modern Supernatural RPG has become a parody unto itself"- Critical Miss

And now the father.. well the prodigy son is lain down to rest.

WoD is Dead.

In 2004, the year of Judgement, is when it ends. Me, I don't think it could be any later. The contributions to thinking, fandom, and gaming will never be missed but when they put out Demon the Fallen I was ready for the end. However they pull it will just pale to the comics they've been munching that are near gone

(in other news HunterAoM on its way out with the Endless co-opted to DCU mythos. Authority starting to stink, and other edgies now becoming dull and discarded.)

I certainly hope its a good show but seeing as this means the ultimate end of hunter (the game line that broke my college budget and mind) It will be a sad passing. And of course it isn't like MET and vamp larps will be disbanded they've just decided to take their system and ideas elsewhere and good for those people at White Wolf and for Achilli.

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Postby Peanut-butter Monkey on Sat Sep 06, 2003 9:22 pm

So, does this mean that they're just killing the main story line or the games themselves?
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Postby manticoraus on Sat Sep 06, 2003 10:58 pm

You pretty much got it.

The out of time ones, Dark Ages, Victoria, and of course Exalted will be continued

But the major plotlines will end (or be brought to something of a conclusion) and the supplement jacking will cease for those lines.

I mean no new books for the modern RPG sets. But the past ones will still have stuff.

If Wraith and Changeling were any indication then likely they'll get rid of their metaplots and tie things to promote whatever they are going into next. Or not really end the world just deal with all the coming whachamacallits.

Me I predicts
Hunters finally whacked (I love them, no one else does)
Vampires more of the same despite a little pruning and god wil lbe proven a dick Devil's everyone's crusading small town attorney and Caine will be proven innoecent (the stick made me do it)

The Ante's will rise fall and be so alien sucked into the umbra and shut up.

Changeling, wish themselves out of existance. They never matterred.

Avatar Storm turn out to be a pre-storm of the actual apocalypse its over. And the gauntlet, at long last weakened for real ideally with spiritual and what have you awareness notching up.

The demons kill god and make a Randian or whatever style of philosophical states.

Everywhere else run by the shifters and the mages who now free of paradox will be making mauraders look sane.

Wraith's get to kill Hunters now.

Gaia is revealed to be a man, not really big on nature (I survived three comets and no atmosphere I was just trying to give a leg up on you guys) and fixes that Wyrm Weaver thing but destroying the minds and letting a new set take place (stolen from Sandman)

Sex sex sex sex

Boobies lots of boobies.

Saulot survives, they didn't bring him around just to not do anything with him

Tzimisce eats new york, then spits it out.

A new supernatural arises... they hate the Tremere
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Postby K. Ivan Ruppert on Sun Sep 07, 2003 1:09 am

Bad news, Manty.

2005, they're relaunching the entire modern WoD line. Vampire, Werewolf, Wraith, Mage, Changeling. The end of the world's essentally meaningless, because it only amounts to a reset.

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Postby JunkyardDawg on Sun Sep 07, 2003 1:55 am

After the 'end of the world', they'll be starting over with a new serieos of games "in a similar theme".

Most likley they'll probably be in a similar format to the 'Orpheus' game they've just released: smaller, self-contained products built on single themes (vampires, mages, spooks, etc.) rather than the wacky crossover-madness of before. So there'll be a 'game about vampires' somewhere, but for Camarilla and the Sabbat and all their lot (and their 15 years of backstory) -- this is very much The End.

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Postby manticoraus on Sun Sep 07, 2003 7:20 am

I shoulda KNOWN

those half hearted .. ^#$%#$

Really I was so set on seeing the we're going to die and so much superior than all else WoD actually DIE.

Heck I figured they'd just stop with their old modern lines and stick to history which they could rewrite and control well.

ugh
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Postby Jarnor23 on Sun Sep 07, 2003 3:03 pm

Wow, the latest White Wolf "buy our books" marketing ploy. I occasionally could enjoy playing, but not enough to buy a new version, especially since I just shelled out a couple of years ago for their "new" stuff. At least when Wizards updated from 3e to 3.5e, you can still play in groups using the new rules with the old books and some minor changes you can download for free.

And don't get me started about Demon. It has all of the philosophical wisdom of a fifteen year old goth kid. In Nomine (the SJG remake) actually explored the Judeo-Christian ideas maturely and let you choose how to focus the game rather than be all about taking on that "tyrant" God and "freeing" minds.

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Postby Tom the Fanboy on Sun Sep 07, 2003 10:32 pm

AGH!
White Wolf is doing the Crisis of Infinite Supplements!

Aggghhh!!!!

I think I'll just wait a year and buy the trades.




This isn't going to be effecting my game in the least. My game's in March, 2001 and I started it in November 2000, back when it WAS November 2000. We figure that by the time the game actually progresses to 2004 it'll be about 2030 out of game.
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Postby JunkyardDawg on Sun Sep 07, 2003 11:34 pm

White Wolf runs the WoD on as normal: fanboys bitch about how it's all to screw them over with supplements.

White Wolf ends the WoD: fanboys bitch about how it's all to screw them over with suuplements.

This is what they call a no-win situation, isn't it?
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Postby LordLucan on Mon Sep 08, 2003 1:00 am

I never really looked much beyond 2nd Edition anyway. The cool Tim Bradstreet art seemed to disappear, and the 2nd Malky handbook was boring! Boring boring boring! Off with its noggin!

Mind you, I did like the idea of the Malks going independent... :)
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Postby manticoraus on Mon Sep 08, 2003 8:39 am

They haven't been writing it as normal.

They have teeterred between hyper-violent psycho porn they call deep and adolescent imitations of the grim and gritty. I hate to graverob 9/11/01 for even more debate but really after facing what a real not even apocalypse was like reviewing what they've printed and seeing their reactions (and of course reading some of their source material) I came to a few conclusions.

They were running out of steam. Often stretching out necessary to play and enjoy things in the TT stuff to several books. And being more than a little straightjacketing with their "free" system. It seems every other word out of the developers, fans, or reviewers is how you wanna (eg should) play this right.

Then of course there was Hunter. Here's the problem. I loved the idea of being imbued to fight monsters. That was merely the justification to get a bunch of hunters who weren't of the hyper pathetic kolchak variety that spent half the time identifying who the bad guys could be. Then they kept doing take backs. Hunters indistinguishable from the average human... only they are.
Mind control proof...nope not really, one dot of Dominate can break through if you think you're badass enough
Capable of being the good guys but at the risk of losing their sanity, heck no they're corrupted from day one.

Finally the tying of Hunter to Demon and the printing of Demon itself.

For years WW printed all manner of things that worried me. Ya wanna know what. I accepted their line of we won't go *there.* And then they did. Worse they did it with a power gaming appeal. SEVERAL TIMES. Not what... two years after Demon's release its being kiboshed and squashed in with others. WHY!

The fact is its seems at one point they stopped really writing games to play and pieces of art to publish (Hunter shows this really bad outside the core, and a few splats and maybe the player/storyteller guide are near useless to the average player, they're collectors items and indecipherable without some other WoD context). I know its a world on the downgrade but the equivalent of all of the organised religion equal evil and cultish but eastern equal advanced and good (death to the Kue-jin) and maturity in a can (swear, sex, drugs, racism, etc) had me drop Lucifer, ya know one of the best written comic books on the market today (three reasons for that; in a world without worship people can do magic.. which apparently isn't a religion, God was headed to Preacher-levels of jerkdom instead of say Sandman levels of awe, terror and complexity, lastly depowerred Lucifer transplanted a poison heart into himself I think Silver Age Superman never was that cheesey so goodbye).

I won't deny WW has bonzo style. But in the realm of substance well its all one flavor that we're told is great. It ain't that great. Depth and even fear and depression can be done without "darkness" as they define it. Also no matter what the cap level of Vampires must be on top and nothing can change made it unbearably wretching. Should you be able to rule the world? No. But almost everything was said to be out of PC hands.

I realized this has *always* been their thing, now. So I don't go badmouthing them at every moment just during comparable oppurtunities. And the funeral announcement seemed a great time

Besides knowing their non-commitment sold as maturity... I think just a whole lotta nothing will happen. Ravnos being killed was a crossover bonanza. WHole lotta 'nothing because it happened in india which is the same as off at the edge of pluto. Apparently no one cares about radiation in india, or massive cult death and etc. Or the government is incapable of investigating. And the UN has no concern about them and the US Pwaah not even their secret masters can hire a sane forensic scientist to determine "Gee there was a major explosion or two here that no party claims to have performed"

A tiny bit of world interest would reveal how annoying WoD can be at the world part. They do stuff say you can't do anything about it and then insist they haven't done anything
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Postby Tom the Fanboy on Tue Sep 09, 2003 6:02 pm

Mant are you just using each response here as a chance to rant again? Or are you actually responding to things? I can't tell.
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Postby Zithuriel on Tue Sep 09, 2003 6:44 pm

I never got into the WoD. I thought that with their announcement of an apocalypse, something really big was going to happen. You know, complete paradigm shifts for each of the games, with a post-apocalyptic bent. Vampires trying to recover the power the apocalypse stole from them. Weres defending what's left of nature and their holds against...well, everything. Not just the Wyrm, but everything. Mages regaining the power they once wielded over humanity. Hunters policing a post-apocalyptic wasteland. But instead of taking their story in a whole new direction, WW is just hitting the reset button? Bah, I'll stick with Exalted thank you very much.
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Postby manticoraus on Tue Sep 09, 2003 7:16 pm

A chance to Rant Mister Fanboy. A chance to rant.

But c'mon this is rantable material here

Hehehe. Crisis on Infinite Campaign Supplements. Someone call the WB and get them to sue WW they're stealing their best idea
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