No wonder the Arkadians are losing the war...

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Postby TKarrde98 on Fri Jan 18, 2002 9:43 am

It is a small wonder indeed, considering the valiant and horrifying enemies they have to face, such as that postman! Hee hee!<P>Grant
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Postby GrimMalady on Fri Jan 18, 2002 10:56 am

I'm not sure if "valiant" is quite the word I'd use. "Disgruntled," or "passive-agressive," perhaps. But not "valiant." Not at all.<P>------------------
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Postby GrimMalady on Sat Jan 19, 2002 4:58 am

I think it was, actually.
Lot of short posts in this thread, aren't there?<P>------------------
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Postby TKarrde98 on Sat Jan 19, 2002 9:02 am

That was the joke of it.
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Postby TKarrde98 on Sat Jan 19, 2002 10:02 am

LOL! Well, I suppose we could always have Mana Weed come post his sig...?
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Postby The Gneech on Sat Jan 19, 2002 10:06 am

"Disgruntled Postman" sounds like one of the monsters from a bad 1st-person shooter.<P> -The Gneech
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Postby The Gneech on Sat Jan 19, 2002 11:30 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GrimMalady:
<B>Lot of short posts in this thread, aren't there?</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yes.<P> -The Gneech
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Postby Aziraphale on Sun Jan 20, 2002 1:03 am

I dunno. Mana_Weed <I>did</I> cut it down a lot...<P>It would only double the length of the thread now.
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Postby GrimMalady on Sun Jan 20, 2002 1:24 am

In reaction to the general length of the posts in this thread, I shall now begin my disseration on the relative positions and apparent strategies of the two sides of "The War."<P>To begin with, we need a name for The War. As it is effectively a 1.5-front war, simply calling it the Arcadian War is far too limiting. The War of the Last Pendragon is nice and evocative, but a) we have no reason to believe that Arthur will be the last Pendragon, and b) it's too long a title to use, really. More on this later, perhaps.<P>This war is, as I said, a 1.5-front war. The Arcadians are offensively engaged with the humans, who have yet to declare open hostility against (or even aknowledgement of) the fairies. Abyss has apparently just begun covert infiltration and sabotage of Arcadia in what seems to be their first organized offense in some time.
This bears some reflection. I would guess that the last time the Arcaidan and Abyssian armies went to war (perhaps the time of King Arthur, or perhaps more recently) the Arcadians won rather soundly. I would then assert that, flush with their victory, the Arcadians made the tactically foolish move of attempting to attack humanity. I would also claim that the unexpected emergence of the Pendragon has prompted Abyss to begin their counterattack earlier than they would have liked, hence the more covert strategy currently favored by the Black Knight.
Despite the reappearance of the Black Knight, most of the Arcadians seem unaware of the threat that Abyss poses - although after this latest goblin incident, that may change. I also feel compelled to note that there may very well be an organized campaign against Abyss that we're simply not shown in the comic, due to the focus on Arthur. After all, Colonel Thunder had to have been recalled from <i>somewhere</i> when we as an audience first met him. Still, the feeling we get from the characters in the comic is that no one seems to regard Abyss as much of a danger. They're scared of the Black Knight, but - perhaps because of his single-minded pursuit of the Pendragon - they seem to regard him as an isolated incident, unconnected to any possible larger Abyssal plan.
Since we have seen the Dark Lord of Abyss, the Black Knight, goblins, and Gnorman G. Gnome working in relative concert, in some cases practically under the noses of the Arcadians, it would seem that Abyss is rapidly gaining an advantage. It remains to be seen how this plays out, but it does not bode well for Arcadia.
On the other hand, the Arcadian campaign against humanity seems to have stopped, possibly in reaction to the reappearance of the Black Knight. Isolated incident or not, he defeated three of Arcadia's best soldiers (and Lt. Bristle) before being inadvertantly vanquished by the Pendragon; hopefully, the Black Knight is considered enough of a threat that the war against humanity will cease, at least temporarily. If the Arcadians don't stop wasting time and military resources trying to get humanity to even notice them, then an Abyssal victory is nearly assured.
Er, which isn't to say that trying to get humanity to notice the fairies is a waste of time and resources - it's a terribly noble cause and it would be wonderful if they succeeded, but in the face of Abyss, it's a tad misguided.
Which leads to another odd question: what would actually happen to humanity if Abyss wins? I mean, humans don't seem to react to goblins or the Black Knight any differently than they do to fairies. Would Abyss's attempt to conquer the world really fare any better than Arcadia's? This is just a sample of the kind of questions we have to consider in an attempt to think of a good name for this war.<P>This is what passes for strategic thinking at 4:30 AM. Yeah.<P>------------------
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Postby TKarrde98 on Sun Jan 20, 2002 8:04 am

Fascinating.<P>But it's not the length of post that matters, it's the number of posts...
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Postby The Gneech on Sun Jan 20, 2002 10:35 am

Woohoo, Grim! Nice thinking. You've come quite close to some issues relevant to the large story arc ... but I'm not going to tell you which ones. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"><P>I will say this, however ... in the big scheme of things, it doesn't really matter if all of humanity notices Arcadia or Abyss ... so long as people in a few key places do. Conflicts in the human world and those between Arcadia and Abyss often parallel or even overlap each other.<P>The Red Hawk brigade, for example, was founded by Col. Thunder during WWI and fought for Britain during the air war. While technically Arcadia was at war with Britain (since it is a human realm), the centuries-old relationship between Britain and Arcadia was too strong to simply be ignored.<P>Queen Isegrayne's command in the late 1700s, "Go forth and conquer the humans!" was met with some trepidation by the other faeries -- as are most of her commands. While sympathetic to her view that Earth was going to hell and didn't even have a handbasket to ride in, it cannot honestly be said that they had much confidence that it would be any better under her rule. The last time the Arcadians took such an active role in temporal affairs was Camelot -- which most Arcadians regard as a catastrophe.<P>After the fall of Camelot, the Arcadians decided on a more subtle approach, stepping back from the world, hiding their presence, and so forth. The Abyssals took this as a cue to surge forward, only to suffer a backlash from humans. Tired of supernatural interference in their affairs, humans as a whole turned away from the Abyssals as well and instead turned to philosophy, science, and their own devices, and thus came the Renaissance. Eventually, things reached their current state -- neither Arcadia nor Abyss have the temporal influence they once had. Both can find people amongst the humans who see and understand them, but such people are few and far between, and are usually not in positions of any great power.<P>The events of the 20th century have largely demoralized the poor faeries even more than they already were. Making sweetness and light out of a world of nuclear weapons and suicide bombers, is very disheartening work.<P>The Abyssals, of course, love this, and in many ways they have something of an advantage. When the Abyssals wreak havoc, evil wins; when the Arcadians screw up, evil also wins. It's very hard for Abyssals to screw up in such a way that good wins.<P>But on the other hand, the Arcadians have an important advantage in that humanity as a whole naturally tends toward good and is repelled by evil. Thus, most humans just going about their normal lives are already doing basically what the Arcadians want.<P>The other big advantage that the Arcadians have, is the Pendragon. Although the individual personages who are chosen as Pendragon very often come to bad ends, it is universally true that they also perform some great and lasting deed. Usually it is the establishment of an institution of good in the world, even if that institution is tarnished.<P>The Abyss doesn't have a corresponding avatar of darkness, although there are certainly people who would love the job if it was open. Abyss can't build things up, it can only destroy them. Thus, monolithic evil tends to fall apart quickly under its own weight. Unfortunately, it can still do lots of harm before that happens.<P> -The Gneech
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Postby TKarrde98 on Wed Jan 23, 2002 9:18 am

Wow, I sense PhD. Material here...<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>The Abyssals, of course, love this, and in many ways they have something of an advantage. When the Abyssals wreak havoc, evil wins; when the Arcadians screw up, evil also wins. It's very hard for Abyssals to screw up in such a way that good wins.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Oh, there are ways. In the midst of mass chaos and destruction, life goes on. For a natural event, look at Mt. St. Helens, which is now a beautiful nature preserve. For human-related tragedy, there were flowers frowing in the middle of Pol Pot's killing fields, also demonstrating that <I>life will go on!</I> There is always hope, and as long as we have hope, there will be no complete victory for Abyss/Hell/whatever you want to call it.
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Postby The Gneech on Wed Jan 23, 2002 9:37 am

There speaks wisdom!<P>TKarrde98, I salute you. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P> -The Gneech
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