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Postby Jim Brockman on Tue Jul 10, 2001 12:14 am

I know this post really belongs in another thread. We already had one going where we were talking about acts of Chivalry.(I couldn't find it)<P>Last week I went to Missouri to visit some relatives for the 4th of July. (They always have a HUGE picnic). Well on the way back my car dies. Stranding, my wife, my almost 2 year old daughter, my mother-in-law and I, 350 miles from home.
Well, we managed to get the car to a truck stop. (4 miles closer to home) We called a friend and he left to come and get us.
With the cash we had we managed to buy dinner. Here is where the acts of chivalry begin.
When that section of the restraunt was due to close the waitress arranged things with her boss to allow us to stay where we were. Then she brought(unpaid for and un asked)my daughter some snacks. She also stayed late and continued to refill our drinks and kept checking to see if we needed anything.
As things turned out my friend wasn't familiar with the area and didn't know exactly where we were. However he kept looking. (And since this was on a toll road he kept paying the toll to check each truck stop) It wasn't until about 3 in the morning that he found us. He took us home. As things turned out he borrowed the gass money and toll money to come and get us. The friends he got the money from didn't want us to repay them. The couple said they were just helping out.
The following Saterday, James (the friend who drove up to get us) borrowed his fathers suburban (it had a trailer hitch) he and I went back up to get the car and tow it home.
I know James' family and they wouldn't loan him a vehicle without getting something in return.(turns out he had to do some maintenance on the suburban. Change the oil and replace the fuel pump.) Once again, James didn't want anything in return. He was just "helping a friend in need".<P>Chivalry, fortunately, is not yet dead. Though it often disguises itself as <I>friendship</I>
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Postby TheVagabond on Tue Jul 10, 2001 1:28 am

I had noticed the lack of new posts, too, and was thinking about mentioning something. Think it has something to do with all those posts from people who are going to be offline for a while? Or have we just run out of steam? <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>And I agree with the moral of your story. Very often what used to be thought of as "chivalry" is now considered "friendship" or "random acts of kindness". <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>------------------
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Postby Jim Brockman on Tue Jul 10, 2001 1:45 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheVagabond:
<B> Think it has something to do with all those posts from people who are going to be offline for a while? Or have we just run out of steam? <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I never realized how much the activity here relied on so few people.<P>
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Postby Zolgar on Tue Jul 10, 2001 4:58 am

Hehehe, want me to decide something that will get people flaming me?<P>*thinks* How about an argument on.. Uhm... Gah, can't think of something good.. Yet <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"> *could just flame ya'll and call ya a buncha chovanistic pigs who think yer better'n everyone else on earth because you're all chivlrouse and such... Not that he really thinks that.. It'd just work to get flamed <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif">*
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Postby TheSarahLady on Tue Jul 10, 2001 7:25 am

Thank you so much for that random chivarly post, I for one really needed it. <P>Although I look for chivarly as much as I can, lately I have not seen anything that could be so classified. It's a very frustrating thing to be treated so poorly and still keep up ones oath and be strong, and I must admit that I have caught myself lapsing a bit which is even more disheartening. I was trying to convince myself that it was my area and my type of work that was the reason that I was not witness to anything, but it is really no excuse. People don't even hold the door open for the person a few inches behind them carrying 2 cases of motor oil. Sorry for the "I'm discouraged" rant. <P>Other than trying to be an example, if anyone has suggestions on how one can (subtly) encourage people to be nicer...I would be VERY appreciative. <P>P.S. I am among those with limited internet access in the summer, I appologize<P>------------------
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Postby Zolgar on Tue Jul 10, 2001 8:19 am

Subtily encourage people to be polit? Have you tried grabbing them by the shoulders, shaking them and yelling about how impolite they are in their face? <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"> J/K<P>Serious.. I dunno.. It's really not the kind of thing that people can just.. learn, I was taught by my parents, who were taught by theirs and so on.. The best way is to just be curties to them and those around you.. Sometimes it makes them think.. Other times, it doesn't..<P>In this society, people don't change often, and kids are growing less and less polite (despite what their parents teach) because thir friends and role modles are like that, so even if their parents teach them better they never see anyone else do it, and think it's a silly waste, and before long, we get a culture like this one..<P>*grins* In short, return curtesy with curtesy and rudeness with even more curtesy <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>(PS: You called that a rant? <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif">)
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Postby Jim Brockman on Tue Jul 10, 2001 9:54 am

Where did everybody go?<P>Except for the new people swearing oaths, I haven't seen any new messages in a few days.<P>Silence bugs me, so I had to say something.<P>
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Postby TheVagabond on Wed Jul 11, 2001 12:22 am

I agree with Jim. The best way to subtly encourage other people to be nice, polite, courteous, etc. is to do it to and in front of them as often as possible. Don't let the actions of others discourage you from doing your best. Hold doors, crouch down to talk to children, offer a hand to someone carrying more than they can handle, let someone into your lane in front of you, leave a quarter in the gumball machine, bring a box of candy to work... these are all things I've done on various occassions. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>Smile at people whenever possible. At worst, they'll wonder what you're thinking. At best, you'll find that smiles can be as contagious as yawns. And don't be afraid to be a little silly to lighten people's moods. If you can feel the tension in the air, so can others. I've often been out-right thanked for shattering a tense moment by saying something silly. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"><P>And whatever you do, don't let the media get you down about chivalry and acts of kindness. That sort of thing doesn't get ratings (or so they think), so they might dedicate five to ten minutes of a news hour to it.<P>------------------
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Postby Jim Brockman on Wed Jul 11, 2001 8:53 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheSarahLady:
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Other than trying to be an example, if anyone has suggestions on how one can (subtly) encourage people to be nicer...I would be VERY appreciative. <P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The only subtle way way I can think of is to be an example.
I work for a company who does customer service. We often get rude customers on the phone. We have been trained (and it works) to reply to their rudness, shouting and swearing with calm politeness. "Kill 'em with Kindess" is a catch phrase around here.<P>This also applies to the rest of the world. Take the extra step: walk a little faster so you can open a door for some one; smile and say hello to frends, strangers and even enemies; and always remember, when life seems to be getting the better of you to come back here. Just reading through old meessages here(random acts of chivalry) will help keep you focused. Also old goats like me who write too much, will gladly ramble on in hopes of helping. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"><P><P>------------------
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Postby Jenavia Darkstar on Thu Jul 12, 2001 12:18 am

Maybe you'll find this funy I found it sad.
Me and my husband were taking my 2 year old out to eat to celibrate her return from her vacaton.We came to a red light in front of the drivway to a gass station there was a man in his car teying to get onto the road so we left space for him to get onto the road when the light turned.The man behind us was honking his horn and yealing at us to move forward.When we didn't he got out of his car and started cursing at us to move up.
My husband explaned that we were trying to let the gentilemen in the car over there in to the lane. He replied What about me I'm intrafic I have the right of way . He yealed at us and the man in the other car who steped up to our defeincebecauce we were trying to help him.He wated two minutes of green light to yell at us just so he could getinto the gass station.This is truly a me generation. The ordeal was scary and it upset my daughter.What are your thoghts on this did we do the right thing by letting that man on the road.
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Postby Jim Brockman on Thu Jul 12, 2001 12:51 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheVagabond:
<B><P>And whatever you do, don't let the media get you down about chivalry and acts of kindness. <P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>In fact don't let anything anyone writes, says or does get you down.
Remember the only opinion about your self that counts is your own.
If <B>you</B> are happy, if <B>you</B> feel you have made an honest effort, if <B>you</B> know you are doing the right thing, then that's all that is important. <P>If you want a second opinion the ask you friends or family. The people you know and trust are a better reflection of reality that the media.<P>Even with trusted people, take their comments as advice and not the absolute truth. Even your best and most trusted friends can be wrong. (We are only human after all)<P>Last, but not least. Feel free to tell me to shut up. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"><P>------------------
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Postby BandMan2K on Thu Jul 12, 2001 1:14 am

I think you did the right thing Jenavia. no need to feel sorry for the idiot behind you. Last time i checked, and i think it's for the US, but perhaps it's only for Michigan Drivers; if someone is trying to enter onto the road and they're being blocked by traffic, then you HAVE to give way to the driver trying to merge either into your lane of traffic or to cross the lane to enter the opposite lane. hope i didn't confuse any of you. plus it is good driving. As to the freak that left his vehicle to chew both your family and the other driver out, i think you did as best you could. As long as no one was hurt, i'd consider it a job well done.<P><P>------------------
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Postby Jim Brockman on Thu Jul 12, 2001 1:42 am

Jenavia,<P>I believe you did do the right thing.
Though it can be a balancing act trying to be nice to every one. Unfortunately, the guy behind you was a jerk. If he had been patient things actually would have gone faster for him.
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Postby TheVagabond on Thu Jul 12, 2001 9:05 am

I agree that you did the right thing. As far as I know, through traffic has the right of way, but it is your perogative to give merging traffic a chance to merge in, especially if you're already stopped. Not only was the jerk behind you completely out of line, but by getting out of his car in the middle of the road to come yell at you, HE was the one breaking the law.<P>------------------
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Postby Rei on Thu Jul 12, 2001 10:07 am

*waves*<P>still here! Drowning in paperwork but still here *tehe*<P>just to add a me-too element to my usual pointless post *chuckle* I too think you did the right thing, Jen. So many people out there want EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW! And will stomp and whine and yell and generally act like a tired two-year old on the comedown from a sugar rush if they don't get everything exactly their way.<P>sad, but true. perhaps there are too few good role models for people to learn and derive inspiration from these days?<P>oh well, back to the grindstone <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif">
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Postby Jenavia Darkstar on Fri Jul 13, 2001 11:27 am

Thanks For your suport guys i apreciate it.
It was kind or scary and I needed to get off my cheast Thanks for listsning.
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Postby Sekhmet on Sat Jul 14, 2001 10:35 am

I myself just got back from two weeks' vacation in New England to visit with family and friends. I really liked being away from La$ Vega$. In New England I can actually breathe, because there isn't all the junk in the air that there is here. And I love the ocean, especially when the sky is grey and there's a storm headed in off the Atlantic. There is truly the calm before the storm...<P>Great news! Tuesday after we got into Maine and up to my grandmother's, my family and I drove down to Massachusetts to spend an afternoon and overnight in Boston. Wednesday morning I had an appointment with UMass Boston with an admissions counselor. After the campus tour (beautiful place) and the paperwork, we sat down with Mr Admissions Man. He had collected and read all my paperwork a few minutes before bring us to his office, so he wasted no time in telling me that whenever I would like I may enroll in the College of Arts & Sciences @ UMB. Of course, I'll be doing that as soon as the nine-week grade report comes out this November, autumn of my Senior year.<P>I'm in! They love me!<P>Sabi, CI<P>------------------
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Postby MarianLH on Mon Jul 16, 2001 5:47 am

Congradulations, Sabi! Do you know what you're majoring in yet? <P>Marian<P>"Integrity is the fount of honour"
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Postby Deathscythe on Mon Jul 16, 2001 7:03 am

All the non-comic boards have kinda died off. Keenspot Central seems to be the only board with any amount of life.<P>------------------
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Postby Jim Brockman on Mon Jul 16, 2001 10:37 am

Congrats Sekmet,<P>Good luck
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Postby Silver Adept on Tue Jul 17, 2001 12:12 am

Returning slightly to BandMan's post:<P>
Yer right. At least here in Mich. you have to get over to allow merging people in if you can do so safely. <P>However, congrats to Sekh on his admissions. College will be a hoot.
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Postby Sekhmet on Tue Jul 17, 2001 10:08 am

I'm gonna major in Classical Languages (Latin & Greek) with a double minor in French and Italian.<P>Now all I have to be doing is finding an apt!<P>------------------
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Postby Rei on Tue Jul 17, 2001 11:46 am

congrats Sekh!<P>you're gonna have a ball!<P>Rei
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Postby Lothar Sauvage on Sun Jul 22, 2001 2:20 am

First of all: Congrats Sekmet!<P>Regarding rude drivers. Ignore them where possible. If they get out of the car, the chances are that you will have an opportunity to move forward and make him look like an idiot... well actually, HE did. If he really takes offence, I have a bumper and insurance, does he? (evil grin)<P>Regarding friendship and chivalry, the only difference is scope.<P>Regards,<P>Lothar Sauvage, CI
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Postby Greg on Sun Jul 29, 2001 8:56 am

Greetings, all!<P>Congrats, Sabi! I hope you do well at your studies. And it will be great to have a _professional_ Latin scholar amongst aroung here! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>In regards to the driving incident, there are to separate issues: what is Legal, and what is Chivalrous.<P>I can't speak for the local laws in your state, but from reading your account you certainly didn't do anything wrong or illegal by stopping and letting someone else in to traffic.<P>In fact it was a very polite and chivalrous thing to do. The person in the vehicle behind you has shown his selfishness. However, that fat that he was more interested in threating you than triving through the lights once they'd turned green, demonstrates that he wasn't obviously wasn't in that much of a hurry to get where he was going anyway.<P>As a side note, one of the principles of Australian road laws is that there is no such thing as "right of way". Some people have to "give way" to others in some circumstances, but everyone is required to drive in a safe and courteous manner.<P>It's a pretty good philosophy, I think...<P>Regards and PIQE,
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