World Map for EI?

The noble Order of the Knights of Jubal traces its origins back to the Year Two Thousand A.D., when a group of distinguished persons of good and true character, founded the order to promote chivalry and honour. The order takes its name from our leader, Alexander Jubal McRae, who on two (so far) occasions has been seriously injured, in one case fatally, defending an innocent woman from attackers.

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Postby Vaughn on Fri Jun 08, 2001 4:19 am

Hmm... certainly interesting.<P>--
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Postby Jamie on Fri Jun 08, 2001 7:27 am

Zabet came up with a very cool idea in the "Roll Call" thread and I thought I would post it in it's own seperate thread. What do you think?<P><I>I've got an idea for the EI homepage... we could have graphic of a map of the world and put dots down where we're all from. I'd be willing to do the graphic if Jamie (or whoever does most of the web stuff) would put it up. I wouldn't put any names, just dots, and the majority of the info I need has already been posted here in this thread..! This way we (and visitors to the EI page) can see how diverse a group we are geographically.
And then you have the bonus of being able to say, "All over the world, people still believe in chivalry." (I think we can also technically use the phrase "world famous," then, too *laughs*)<P>May the Powers That Be let me know. And if this little project gets approved, let me know if you *don't* want your little dot up for any reason.<P>Zabet!</I><P>Sir Greg is the kind fellow who maintains the EI Website. I'm certain he will give his thoughts on this soon. <P>Thanks Zabet!<P>Take care,<P>(Sir) Jamie<P>------------------
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Postby BandMan2K on Fri Jun 08, 2001 8:34 am

As a Knight, I consider it my duty to say something about this. I agree. Just so we all can have a visual reference as to where we all reside. Plus i think it would look kind of cool<P>Count me in on this project
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Postby Jim Brockman on Fri Jun 08, 2001 9:08 am

I like the idea.<P><P>------------------
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Postby TimberBram on Fri Jun 08, 2001 9:51 am

No objections from me. Though on a world-sized map some dots would have to represent multiple persons.<P>Unless the point is just to indicate distribution rather than density.<P>Either one would be fine. Actually, maybe the distribution idea is better, since that preserves privacy a little better.<P>Anyway, just my C$0.05.<P>Peace and PIQE,
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Postby Silver Adept on Sat Jun 09, 2001 8:32 am

That sounds kewl. I think It would be great. <P>(So I'm thinking multi-tiered as well...)<P>Perhaps, then, we could start with a world map, highlighting all the countries where there is a CI or KI... And in each of those countries, one could have a smaller map of counties. (That's about as far as I think it might go... State-level for U.S.)
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Postby Rei on Sat Jun 09, 2001 11:21 am

yep, another yay<P>and the data set you need is in the curiousity thread that jim started a little while ago.<P>i for one am interested to see the spread of chivalry...cos reading that thread, i see that some of us live in interesting places.<P>rei
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Postby Lothar Sauvage on Sun Jun 10, 2001 6:12 am

Good idea, if for nothing else but the curiosity factor. YEA.<P>Regards,<P>Lothar Sauvage, CI
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Postby Greg on Mon Jun 11, 2001 4:35 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jamie:
<B>Sir Greg is the kind fellow who maintains the EI Website. I'm certain he will give his thoughts on this soon.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yes, he will!<P>It's an excellent idea, but it's not one I can address in the next week or two, due to heavy time commitments on my part.<P>If someone else would like to make a start on it before then, I'm happy to offer assistance, and it shall reside on the EI web site.<P>PIQE,
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Postby zabet on Mon Jun 11, 2001 7:09 am

Wow.. I come back from the weekend and I have my own thread! hehe <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"><P>I had a couple of ideas tossing around in my head on how to do this. Most of all, I *do* want to preserve privacy. I am not the most paranoid person, but I'm really reserved about giving out or displaying info on the web unless I feel very comfortable. My friends range from "gimmie spam!" to only letting me use their initals when I refer to them on my own site, so I guess you could call me a moderate.<P>So then, how to go about it? I've thought about giving everyone their own dot, an color coding it to the rank they have in the order. Groups of dots mean more members in that area. I thought about doing just a bigger dot (the way maps indicate bigger cities by making their names larger), but that doesn't let us color-code as nicely or as precisely. <P>Give me until tomorrow afternoon and I'll do a few samples (probably focusing on the eatern U.S. 'cause that's where Jubal lives) and we can decide what looks best and what best portrays the info we want portrayed.<P>Pixel Queen,
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Postby Rei on Tue Jun 12, 2001 12:10 am

in a related note, did you get draft one of the links page? i sent it from another account, so its always an iffy proposition whether something made it through<P>and still soliciting links, gang <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif">
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Postby Silver Adept on Tue Jun 12, 2001 12:41 am

Good design to it! <P>I like the idea. However, I notice that the one GCI and the KCI are apart from each other. Is thsi because where Jubal lives is actually a different place than where Sir Jamie is? <P>Eh. Stickler I am. As for putting in names, it might be helpful to have the names of the states/provinces where everyone happens to be located. That way, ignorant people like me can find out in what region someone lives. (If someone were on the border, it would be rather difficult to find them without region names...)
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Postby TimberBram on Tue Jun 12, 2001 1:32 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Silver Adept:
<B>I like the idea. However, I notice that the one GCI and the KCI are apart from each other. Is thsi because where Jubal lives is actually a different place than where Sir Jamie is?</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jamie:
<B>Sir Jamie Robertson, KCI. I hail from the US too in the state of North Carolina.
Sir Alexander Jubal McRae, GCI a resident of the US also resides in North Carolina in the coastal town of Haven. That is if he were a real person.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Since Sir Jamie doesn't say they live in the same place town/city, it's valid to show them separated.<P>Peace and PIQE,
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Postby Jamie on Tue Jun 12, 2001 1:49 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TimberBram:
<B> Since Sir Jamie doesn't say they live in the same place town/city, it's valid to show them separated.<P>Peace and PIQE,
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I live in Burlington, NC which is essentially in the middle of the state. Jubal lives in Haven, which is based on Southport, NC. It's on the southeastern coast of NC, about 30 miles South of Wilmington. I sent the strip there because I always spent summer vacations around that area and always loved it. The Beach also seemed to be the <I>right</I> place to have Chelsea be from. <P>Take care,<P>(Sir) Jamie<P>
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Postby Jamie on Tue Jun 12, 2001 2:15 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by zabet:
<B>I've got a rough idea up for our world map. You can see it here:<P><a href="http://www.zabasity.org/EImap/">http://www.zabasity.org/EImap/</a><P>When I say rough, I do mean rough!<P>Sir Greg, you will be glad to know that I am more than willing to see this project through until it needs only to be ftp'd to the server of your chosing.<P>cheers,
Zabet</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I think this looks great! I concur w/ the suggestions made above. Zabet, thank you again for doing this. It's just a wonderful idea!<P>Take care,<P>(Sir) Jamie<P>------------------
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Postby Greg on Tue Jun 12, 2001 4:15 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jamie:
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The Beach also seemed to be the <I>right</I> place to have Chelsea be from.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Especially so that you can have her running around in a bikini to inspire PSL? <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P><B>Zabet:</B> Excellent job on the maps! And I'm very grateful for the offer to compile it. Unfortunately, my ftp server isn't working all that well, but you're welcome to zip and e-mail it to me.<P>Regards and PIQE,
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Postby zabet on Tue Jun 12, 2001 5:29 am

I've got a rough idea up for our world map. You can see it here:<P><a href="http://www.zabasity.org/EImap/">http://www.zabasity.org/EImap/</a><P>When I say rough, I do mean rough!<P>Sir Greg, you will be glad to know that I am more than willing to see this project through until it needs only to be ftp'd to the server of your chosing.<P>cheers,
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Postby TimberBram on Tue Jun 12, 2001 10:37 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by zabet:
<B>I've got a rough idea up for our world map.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>You didn't say if you wanted comments, but I'll assume you do. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"><P>First, looks good. I think the method you've chosen to represent members and the colours and the layout work very well. A hand drawn map will look even better, I think.<P>Second, minor correction: the ranks are Companion (CI), Knight (KI), Knight Commander (KCI), and Knight Grand Cross (GCI). I knew what you meant, but I like accuracy.<P>Third, a comment. I understand your reasoning for dropping the state/country dividing lines and agree. However, so that people who don't live in the area can figure out what the area is, maybe the state/province/country names should be included anyway. For example, I have no idea where North Carolina is really (being a Canadian it's not a piece of vital information <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"> ), so having the name on the name would give me some point of reference. <P>Just some thoughts for discussion. Thanks for taking the time to work on this, Zabet.<P>Peace and PIQE,
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Postby Jim Brockman on Tue Jun 12, 2001 10:42 am

Good job Zabet,
I would make this suggestion:
To ease the loading make a smaller map. Then map the image and when someone clicks on a contenent let it link to a blowup of the area.<P>Is that good or are we getting too complicated here?<P><P>------------------
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Postby TimberBram on Thu Jun 14, 2001 1:25 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by zabet:
<B>Putting the borders/names back in (Silver Adpet, Timberbram):
(snip)
I have to admit I lean towards leaving out the borders and names. That, and I have always just topographical maps better than political ones. But if enough people want it, I'll do it. Actually, if we go with SongCoyote's suggestion, it may just be moot because the pop-up windows could have city and state listed in them.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Even if we don't go the full contact information route, the popup could just show province/state/country information for the dots. That would reduce the chance getting "lost" whilst wandering the map. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"><P>Peace and PIQE,
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Postby SongCoyote on Thu Jun 14, 2001 9:37 am

Greetings to all!<P>I think the Map is a wonderful idea. If we're willing to get complicated, I have two ideas that I think would enhance it greatly:<P>1. For all those who give their permission to do so, the Map could have a popup, link, or other such thing at their location that shows who they are, how to contact them, and/or some other brief description or caption. I, for one, would welcome the sort of contact this would generate.<P>2. If the "open info" idea above does not appeal, perhaps the creator of the map (or other designated person) could maintain a list of who would like to get contact via the Map and who would not; the Map would then have a legend or caption that says, "to ask about contacting people noted on this map, send a message to ____ with the location/area desired and they will get back to you with appropriate contact info". This preserves privacy better, but makes it a bit trickier for people to make contact. If people like this idea, I volunteer to coordinate (and keep confidential as needed) the contact info, etc.<P>Speaking of which, if any wish to contact me they may do so at SongCoyote@aol.com<P>Thank you for listening. Be well and happy, and know always that you are loved.<P>Light and laughter,
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Postby zabet on Thu Jun 14, 2001 10:19 am

Great feedback, everyone! <P>TimberBram: Thanks for catching my mistake. I have a reputation as a horrible typist and I welcome welcome welcome other people catching my boo-boos. <P>Making a small map that links to bigger maps by continent (Jim Brockman <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"> That may not be a bad idea, since it's not complicated to do.<P>Linking every dot to a small pop-up window that would display member info, as volunteered by members (SongCoyote): That would be a monumental task, and I'll admit that it would be cool as all [censored censored censored] to do it. I don't mind doing to html/design side of it if you want to be responsible for getting all the info. This, of course, is pending approval from the Powers That Be and other members.<P>Putting the borders/names back in (Silver Adpet, Timberbram): Well, since I'm an American who actually knows which Canadian provinces are where, that you're governed by a Prime Minister and Parliment, that you get 8 pop-tarts to a box (which the US has recently followed), and that you buy your gas in litres, I have to admit I lean towards leaving out the borders and names. That, and I have always just topographical maps better than political ones. But if enough people want it, I'll do it. Actually, if we go with SongCoyote's suggestion, it may just be moot because the pop-up windows could have city and state listed in them. <P>NB: It'll probably take me a few weeks to get this done... I work at a University and June 30 is the end of the fiscal year for us, so I'm running around like crazy trying to get a lot of projects finished by then. So please, be patient.<P>Oh, and Jamie, I just noticed that you used the subjunctive correctly ("...That is, if he were a real person.") You were already cool in my book, but now you are even cooler! *laughs*<P>sandal-wearin' hippie freak,<P>
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Postby Jim Brockman on Fri Jun 15, 2001 12:26 am

the following very long list is what I was able to compile from the three sources I mentioned in my last post.<P>Some of the names in used in Keenspot do not match with names used on the website.
Please EVERYONE check to make sure your data is correct and if you want to add anything just let me know. (jim_k_b@yahoo.com)<P>Sir Alexander Jubal McRae, GCI: North Carolina, USA, jubal@ivbalis.org<P>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------<P>Sir Jamie Robertson, KCI, 37: North Carolina, USA, jaimiecotc@hotmail.com<P>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------<P>Sir Gregory Bromage, KI, 25: Melbourne, in Victoria, Australia, greg.bromage@melbournemarkets.com.au
Sir Timber Bram, KI, 33: British Columbia, Canada, <A HREF="http://ivbalis.org/Knights/Sir.Timber.Bram/timbram-details.htm" TARGET=_blank>http://ivbalis.org/Knights/Sir.Timber.Bram/timbram-details.htm</A>
Sir Alexander Byrne, the Silver Adept, KI: Michigan, USA, silveradept@hotmail.com
Lady Anne Moloney, KI, tabias@tabias.com
Sir Howard Seelye KI, 19: Michigan, USA, bandman2000@imatrekkie.com
Sir Howard Tayler, KI, htayler@myrealbox.com<P>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<P>Sara Aas, CI (Vaughn): Troms
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Postby TimberBram on Fri Jun 15, 2001 1:34 am

I can tell you that "Rodney Dean" and "Kanaeda Kuonji" are the same person.<P>Bear in mind that some of us did not swear in under our real names or did not swear in under names that resememble our email addresses. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"> <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"><P>We like to make things difficult. You can check the <A HREF="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/Forum53/HTML/000006.html" TARGET=_blank>Pledge Oaths here</A> thread and a few similar ones to correlate ids with companions names.<P>Good work, by the way.<P>Peace and PIQE,
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Postby Jim Brockman on Fri Jun 15, 2001 1:49 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TimberBram:
<B>I can tell you that "Rodney Dean" and "Kanaeda Kuonji" are the same person.<P>Bear in mind that some of us did not swear in under our real names or did not swear in under names that resememble our email addresses. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"> <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"><P>We like to make things difficult. You can check the <A HREF="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/Forum53/HTML/000006.html" TARGET=_blank>Pledge Oaths here</A> thread and a few similar ones to correlate ids with companions names.<P>Good work, by the way.<P>Peace and PIQE,
Sir Timber Bram.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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