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The noble Order of the Knights of Jubal traces its origins back to the Year Two Thousand A.D., when a group of distinguished persons of good and true character, founded the order to promote chivalry and honour. The order takes its name from our leader, Alexander Jubal McRae, who on two (so far) occasions has been seriously injured, in one case fatally, defending an innocent woman from attackers.

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Postby Lothar Sauvage on Fri May 25, 2001 2:24 am

Crosspost from Proof thread since it fit better here...<P>I am coordinating with a large ISP and some of the non-profits in the area to get broadband connection and web hosting at discounted rates for them.<P>I was hoping to do so nationally, but the ISP that I was dealing with originally was bought out, and their new masters want nothing to do with that. <P>This may be an opportunity for some of us located in different places to step up to the plate since we are all computer saavy (you are here, no?)<P>Get with me via email if you want details on how to set this up. It's easier than you think, does great service for the Non Profit, and can put some money in your pocket for your time that can be used to do more good work. <P>Note: Bear in mind that non profit organizations are not necessarily poor, and you don't need to do things for free to help one out. A fair price to cover time and actual cost of materials will give them the all capabilities they need at a VERY low price.<P>Regards,<P>Lothar Sauvage
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Postby TKarrde98 on Fri May 25, 2001 3:42 am

Josh, it is indeed a noble idea. I also like the concept of getting KOJ/EI to be a physcial organization as well as an internet org. Perhaps there could be work done in tandem with other organizations such as Compassion International, worldwide Scouting Organizations, Amnesty Int'l and other such groups to get us on our feet?<P>As for ISPs for NPOs, one of the best ideas you could use to convince ISPs they want to do it is the positive press involved. When NPOs begin to talk about x ISP gave us a huge discount, it makes them look good to the public and more people will order their service over another. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>------------------
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Postby Josh the Aspie on Fri May 25, 2001 5:11 am

I thank you for you're votes of confidence in the idea, and hope it can be worked out to everyone's satisfaction, and like I said, I would personaly encourage people to work with whatever orginizations they feel they can help to help others... though for personal reasons, I would not be working with the boyscouts. I have a friend in the scouts, and would invite him to work with me on the projects which I work on, and maybe go to some of the freely chosen ones he choses to do for the scouts, but would not go to an offical boy scout service project under their banner or a joint venture, though if it's a worthy cause, perhaps serve seperatly. Personal choie there.<P>------------------
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Postby Josh the Aspie on Fri May 25, 2001 6:27 am

I've been in honors societies, and civics classes, and they all require some amount of hours of service, and often have several picked out that they would -like- you to apply yourself too. Now while I'm not advocating actualy requiring hours, I do think that comming up with ideas for service projects that the knights of jubal can do at the same time, all across the world would be a great idea, possibly even wearing Our knight of Jubal T-shirts once their avalible, if we've bought one.<P>My church group did something similar, not required, but asked for... and we got the best of the bunch, people who -wanted- to be there, and they usualy did much more than those required to be there.<P>I also thought that after a particular project is finished, we could tell what we did, and maybe share any storys about what happened... not nessisarily about grattitude, but maybe about seeing a rare black furred squirel, or about when you sliped on a banna peel and fell into the trash pile too. Get a sence of comerordery going.<P>Now I know I'm just a lowly Companion... but I figured jubal would listen to a couple of my ideas... after all, would the man who wanted to wear a Tux-T to his brother's wedding denny me the chance to try to help out with an idea?<P>-Joshua Tausz C.I.<P>------------------
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Postby BandMan2K on Fri May 25, 2001 7:13 am

I say, it's definately worth pondering about. <P>And never believe that your word doesn't count. I learned that everyone's word is listened to and taken under advisement, which is one of the foundations of this order, you will not be forgotten or shunned.<P>Remember, "The Longest of Journeys Begin with but A Single Step."<P>Anyone else have anything to add about this idea?<P>
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Postby Lothar Sauvage on Fri May 25, 2001 8:44 am

I like the idea. The question is, what can we do that will have the greatest effect? Some thoughts:<P>It should be an international organization, as we are, so that all may contribute in the same way to the same campagn and our efforts must do measurable good for the community at large.<P>We should clearly identify ourselves in word, deed and dress. It would be great if the organization would give us some press coverage or other PR so that more people like us will be attracted to our order.
All these are suggestions of course, not requirements, and we may need to forego at least one of these. But ideally, this is what we need for living our oaths and encouraging growth.<P>Regards,<P>Lothar Sauvage, CI.
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Postby Silver Adept on Fri May 25, 2001 9:08 am

We're actaully thinking about trying to land a home office somewhere, set ourselves up as a Real Life organization at some time. <P>As for a collective activity, I think it might take some timing to pull off, considering that we do have to cross time zones. <P>However, sharing our stories is certainly not a bad idea. <P>It's unfortunate that I currently would have more stories about the lack of chivalry that the application of it, but I hope that it will change.
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Postby Josh the Aspie on Fri May 25, 2001 10:52 am

Well my origonal idea, for starting out was more along the lines of having a "homeless month", an "elderly month", a "Disabled month" ect, where we go out and help people from that class of society in any way we can think of. It needn't be the same thing all over... for example, some cities don't have homless shelters, but might have a food bank, or visa versa, and not every city has nursing homes -and- meels on weels. And since it's a month long event, probably cordinated by when the month begins and ends in grenich, then we don't have to worry about time zones. And of course service doesn't have to be limited to the group of the month, you could easily start early, keep on keeping on a project, or just do a random service... But the point of having an X month is A. To inspire people to go out and help these groups in particular, and B. To gain some publicity for the group because people ask why you're doing it, and you tell them that it's X month for service in the Knights of Jubal. Ect.<P>Of course if there are particular orginizations you'd like us to help, that would work too, especialy if it's started or pushed more durring a particular month.<P>And if we leave it open ended, then we can help local orginizations as well, for example, durring disabled month, I'll probably do even more than normal for bethpage, a care program for adults with developmental disabilities, which has a few various locations in different cities across the US, but only a few, and then only in the US.<P>------------------
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Postby Josh the Aspie on Mon May 28, 2001 12:09 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Josh the Aspie:
Origonal idea:<P><B> Now while I'm not advocating actualy requiring hours, I do think that comming up with ideas for service projects that the knights of jubal can do at the same time, all across the world would be a great idea, possibly even wearing Our knight of Jubal T-shirts once their avalible, if we've bought one.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I agree, mandatory STINKS, and you wind up looking for things to do just so that you can fill your quota, it takes the spirit out of the thing.<P>The idea of the service projects as I thought it up is not something you must do, or even something you would be looked down on for not doing, but a little nudge to say "hey, have you though about these people? Maybe you could help them out? Maybe you could have fun doing it?" Basicaly a bit of encouragment to go out an help a group that seems to be neglected in society, that some people may not have thought of, but would help right off the bat if they did. And rather than having a list to look at of groups that are sometimes neglected, having a group of the month, like he elderly, ect, puts more attention on that one group, and encourages people much better to go out and try it.<P>Think of it like an advretisment... it's just to get people thinking about it, to keep it in sight, and therefor in mind.<P>And if you have an experiance you -want- to share, anything from seeing a rare bird while pushing someone through a park, or how much fun you had, and how you learned a new game while baby sitting for a needy family when the folks -had- to be away, and couldn't find anyone else.<P>Basicaly the project would be a bit of an add campain, and putting together a "Chicken soup for the knight's soul" book. *shudders at my simaly*<P>-Joshua A. Tausz C.I.<P>------------------
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Postby Sekhmet on Mon May 28, 2001 8:47 am

It certainly sounds like a good idea....But being someone who does this sort of thing (volunteering, projects, community service) as a required part of my diploma, I'd really rather not be obliged to also do it for the EI. There are times when I've just got to have a break....so would it not be absolutely required, "if you don't do this we look down on you for ever", absolutely mandatory? For my own piece of mind?<P><3
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Postby TimberBram on Mon May 28, 2001 9:06 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sekhmet:
<B>so would it not be absolutely required, "if you don't do this we look down on you for ever", absolutely mandatory? For my own piece of mind?</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Here's my opinion on this. Note that even as a Knight I do not speak for EI, only as part of the Order. Let the discussion commence.<P>First, the whole service projects idea is a good one. I expect many EI members already volunteer for various projects, organisations, or special events.<P>However, we don't know each person's individual circumstances, so I think that we cannot in good conscience "require" certain activity in order to be "worthy" of being in EI. (For example, I do various small things all the time as I can, but any kind of sustained effort would be next to impossible because of my health.)<P>Our decision to trust the Knights and Companions of the Order to watch themselves and make sure they they keep their own Oaths is, I believe, enough.<P>Peace and PIQE,
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Postby Jesster on Mon May 28, 2001 10:42 am

*SNIP*
Our decision to trust the Knights and Companions of the Order to watch themselves and make sure they they keep their own Oaths is, I believe, enough.
*SNIP*
So be it. I think that if one who professes to be worthy to be a knight gives his/her word, then we must trust them until they reveal themselves to be otherwise. (Either through words, or through actions for those who know each other in real-space.) As an organization that only exists on the Web and in hearts there is no true alternative.
Also, just because someone does things does not mean that they are doing them for the right reason, and just because someone does not do a lot does not mean that they are not doing things for the right reason. As a Christian I beleive that I will be judged for what I did AND why I did it. Therefore I am most happy when no one really knows who it was that did what I did. Like changing a tire and not telling the person my name, or leaving some groceries on a front step of someone who needs them. It is really impossible confirm anything about that, and it would destroy most of the point.
I guess that I will get off my soapbox now.
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Postby Rei on Tue May 29, 2001 2:23 am

I like the idea of 'coordinated' service, but nothing required...imho, its not really chivalry if you are FORCED to do it <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"><P>I think Josh is onto something with the "themes" idea: a disabled month, an environmental week, whatever...that will free us from having to choose International organisations, and lets us do something we feel will make a real impact in our own communities<P>to paraphrase: chivalry begins at home.<P>it would be cool if we could do this under the 'Eqvites Ivbalis' banner -- showing people that there are not only individuals, but GROUPS that are interested in reviving the ideas of chivalry would be most excellent *g*<P>great idea, Josh, I'll think some more on it and let you all know if I have any inspiration<P>Rei Asteria
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Postby Greg on Tue May 29, 2001 4:29 am

I like the idea of thematic weeks/months myself, and not just because I want something to put on the EI calendar on the website. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>However, I also concur that mandatory hours would not be a good thing. We are all in different circumstances, and I'm sure that each and every one of us would like to do much more for the community than we currently do, but we also have time pressures one us. Imposing another mandatory pressure would be unreasonable and counter-productive.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by zabet:
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Postby Silver Adept on Tue May 29, 2001 9:17 am

Something thematic does seem to have a nice ring to it. That's the way it should be. <P>Nothing mandatory. Mandatory wokr becomes boring. Chivalry is not boring. It's supposed to be spontaneous and fun... so we could suggest a few ideas...
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Postby zabet on Tue May 29, 2001 9:39 am

I'm not trying to be one of those "Yeah, what so-and-so said!" one-liner posters, but I'm all about the thematic month thing. (Was that sentence even in English?)<P>I think we all pretty much agree that we're here because we connected somehow with the idea of EI and we're kinda jazzed about EI as a group/community/organization/whatever (except for those who just joined because they were hopping to find some nekked-Chelsea pictures in the "inner circle") so then it will naturally follow that at some point we, individually, will do something service-oriented because we are those kind of people, and we'll inspire each other to do things, too. So that "mandetory" hours aren't just unneccesary because they are a 'drag', I really think they just won't be needed at all - we are motovated people, why else would we have joined EI based on a few idealistic sentences? (And Jubal's cool sunglasses?) <P>Back to my original point: I'm all about the thematic month thing. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"><P>Zabet of the very very very very very long sentences... it's a Gogolian thing.
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Postby Rei on Mon Jun 04, 2001 10:12 am

okay, fair enough<P>so, are we generally agree that we will have 'themed' periods (ie: months or weeks) with a special focus (ie: July 2001: Homeless) and Knights <I>so inclined</i> can use it as the excuse they don't need to go out and do something positive.<P>((Of course, if its 'be nice to puppies' week and you instead want to help distribute blankets to the homeless, then YAY....these are just ideas, not cast-in-stone demands.))<P>Those so-inclined can go out and, say (to borrow wholesale from another thread) collect and distribute jackets for those less fortunate, or whatever ideas they come up with based on the theme-of-the-month and the discussions here and at Yohoo.<P>Okay, now that I've done my usual gig and stated the obvious, what ideas can we come up with for the July theme?<P>a good one I've participated in before is to hold an event (we had a picnic) and request that everyone coming bring along some canned goods or whatever. We not only had a great day among friends, but we had four HUGE boxes of food to take to the local distribution centre. Supplies were running low at that time, and they had put out a media plea for aid. They were amazed we'd managed to get so much together in just a few days...amazing what you can do with some great buds and an email account *chuckles*<P>oops, sidetracking again. Hey Josh, maybe we should start a new thread:
JULY THEME: Ideas for those interested<P>whatcha say?<P>Rei
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Postby Josh the Aspie on Mon Jun 04, 2001 11:54 am

Just to get the ball re-rolling on this topic, might I suggest starting the ball rolling with june or july being either "homeless" month or "Hungry" month? No need for a clothing drive as of yet, but there are always homeless and hungry.<P>------------------
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