The Order of the Knights of Jubal is now a Yahoo Club!

The noble Order of the Knights of Jubal traces its origins back to the Year Two Thousand A.D., when a group of distinguished persons of good and true character, founded the order to promote chivalry and honour. The order takes its name from our leader, Alexander Jubal McRae, who on two (so far) occasions has been seriously injured, in one case fatally, defending an innocent woman from attackers.

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Postby Jamie on Mon May 14, 2001 3:30 am

While the Keenspot Message Board is still the main watering hole for the KOJ outside the Hub website, there is now a new place to go visit and post! The Order of the Knights of Jubal is now a Yahoo Club! Go there to post messages, articles involving chivalry, pictures of coat of arms, crests or anything having to do w/ chivalric ideals. Here is the link.
<A HREF="http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/theknightsofjubal" TARGET=_blank>http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/theknightsofjubal</A> .<P>I hope that you will journey over there and take a look. <P>Thank you.<P>Jamie<P>------------------
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Postby Jim Brockman on Thu May 31, 2001 12:20 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jamie:
<B>While the Keenspot Message Board is still the main watering hole for the KOJ outside the Hub website, there is now a new place to go visit and post! The Order of the Knights of Jubal is now a Yahoo Club! Go there to post messages, articles involving chivalry, pictures of coat of arms, crests or anything having to do w/ chivalric ideals. Here is the link.
<A HREF="http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/theknightsofjubal" TARGET=_blank>http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/theknightsofjubal</A> .<P>I hope that you will journey over there and take a look. <P>Thank you.<P>Jamie<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>
I'll check it out when I'm not at work. I do most of my reading here, but yahoo has been block by our SA. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/frown.gif">
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Postby Jim Brockman on Thu May 31, 2001 3:14 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>
The Order of the Knights of Jubal is now a Yahoo Club! Go there to post messages, articles involving chivalry, pictures of coat of arms, crests or anything having to do w/ chivalric ideals. Here is the link.
<A HREF="http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/theknightsofjubal" TARGET=_blank>http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/theknightsofjubal</A> .<P>
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When I tried to 'join that club' i was given the following message:
A slight problem ...
You are not authorized to join this Club. <P> <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/frown.gif"> <P>What is wrong here? Aproblem with Yahoo or something else? <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/confused.gif"><P>
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Postby Jim Brockman on Thu May 31, 2001 5:16 am

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When I tried to 'join that club' i was given the following message:
A slight problem ...
You are not authorized to join this Club. <P> <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/frown.gif"> <P>What is wrong here? Aproblem with Yahoo or something else? <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/confused.gif"><P>[/B][/QUOTE]<P>Sorry, All I got it fixed. (ID10T error)
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Postby Lothar Sauvage on Sat Jun 02, 2001 2:51 am

Okay, as regards the account info stuff, they did have a security breach (several actually) they didn't want everyone to know about. The folks that did the breaking sold the data gleaned or used in in their own spam campagn. <P>This is not to say that Yahoo has been blameless of spam. There is a fine line between ligitimate direct marketing and spamming, and whether or not they crossed the line is impossible to say. I think they did, the courts say they didn't, 'nuff said.<P>Regarding traceroute info, If you tried to change account info from a workstation that was different from the workstation used to set up your account, it would raise a yellow flag and I probably would do a traceroute and a bit more to see if the request originated at the same domain or matched anything in your profile. The reason I'd have used it is to make certain within a reasonable level of doubt whether or not you are the owner of the account (is this your work account, did you move to another dorm, or did you get promoted at your job and moved to a different desk, etc) <P>The administration that chewed you out needed to get a clue. Traceroutes are routine administration tools, not hacks in and of themselves, and certainly not your fault in any case! Data gleaned from a traceroute can be used to hack a network, but if anyone should have followed up on a hack attempt it, it should have been the anal Sysadmin that brought it up to administation. You were the victim, not the perpetrator. If I received a letter like what you probably sent them, I probably would have called to clear it up, but most would have filed it under YAWN (Yet Another Wierd Newbie).<P>Selling you info is what I mean by standard business practices of the day. I hate it, but everyone's doing it. My response to such is one of three choices:
1. I chose not to support such businesses, costing me more money since nobody is underwriting my services,
2. I supply info that is close to the truth for their demographics, intentionally typoing on the rest,
3. I provide an email address that I can grin and bear receiving spam in. I use mazonn@yahoo.com for this (heh, I love Irony)<P>I cannot fault a company for poor security when it is the fault of their operating system or software, nor can I blame them for criminal use of what was stolen. As with their OS and Software, I can disagree with their choice of marketing technique, but since everyone is doing it, I cannot fault them for making a decision that would help them stay competitive if it is deemed to be legal by the courts of the land. <P>I do choose to put my business elsewhere if the money permits, but Yahoo does provide fine free or low cost services by picking up part of the tab using ad data revenue. Beyond doing it all youself (hardly free) you will not find a service that will, without subjecting you to some sort of advertising, either directly or indirectly. <P>As far as all this being a violation of the spirit of our order, The knights will need to decide that. I have my own opinions about this, but in spite of them, I feel that Yahoo or some other service would make a fine stopgap measure until we can afford our own server to host our domain with all the toys we need.<P>Regards,<P>Lothar Sauvage, CI
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Postby Josh the Aspie on Sat Jun 02, 2001 7:08 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by siece:
<B> I would respectfully request that this be moved to a different server. Yahoo engages in unethical business practices which definitely violate the spirit of our Order, and I, for one, wil not pay for their services, especially not in the form of information, because of this.<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Would you be willing to summerise for those of us who have yet to hear of these practices, and link us to further information?<P>Josh the Aspie C.I.<P>PS. Yeah, yeah, so I'm realy asking for me, but there may be others out there who want the info too. *Blush*
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Postby Jamie on Sat Jun 02, 2001 8:20 am

Siece,<P>The main and only reason we chose Yahoo for a club was because of accessibility. Love it or hate it, Yahoo is a stable and well-known name. It
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Postby TheVagabond on Sat Jun 02, 2001 9:47 am

It sounds as though you have just begun with Yahoo! Clubs. Are you aware that in just a few short months, the Clubs feature will be shutting down in favor of the "Groups" feature?<P>------------------
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Postby Lothar Sauvage on Sat Jun 02, 2001 10:58 am

Another host is not a problem, but we do need to know why. I for one know of some issues with Yahoo, but nothing beyond standard business practices of the day.<P>For my own education if nothing else, please specify what issues you have with Yahoo. If you would prefer not to do so in an open channel, feel free to email me privately at aharper@aheadresearch.com since my default address for this group is a my.yahoo.com profile.<P>My interest in this is that I recommend Yahoo to Non profits and small religious organizations for hosting and domain registration. If I missed something, I really need to know before I end up with egg on my face. Heck, my coven is on Yahoo! Please let me know?<P>Regards,<P>Lothar Sauvage, CI
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Postby Greg on Sun Jun 03, 2001 7:24 am

Hi there!<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lothar Sauvage:
<B>The administration that chewed you out needed to get a clue. Traceroutes are routine administration tools, not hacks in and of themselves, and certainly not your fault in any case! Data gleaned from a traceroute can be used to hack a network, but if anyone should have followed up on a
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I have to concur with this. I'm not a hacker (well, I am, but in the original sense of the word) but I loose count on the number of traceroutes I do each day. It's a standard administrative tool, and regularly used to troubleshoot problems.<P>Certainly, if someone tracerouted to my system I'd look in to it, but I certainly wouldn't blame a user for it.
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As far as all this being a violation of the spirit of our order, The knights will need to decide that.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Now that the issue has been raised, we are discussing the matter, yes. However, we certainly also encourage discussion from everyone else. Whilst the Knights act as a guiding force, we also represent the views and interests of our companions. And we have to know what those opinions and views are before we can act.<P>Regards,
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Postby Lothar Sauvage on Mon Jun 04, 2001 6:07 am

Clarification:<P>What I meant was NOT a "it's a knights issue and we lowly CIs need to keep our noses out of it." but rather "let's get all the issues out in the open and discuss it so the knights will act with the wisdom of the group". The fact that it's a group issue not an individual issue was my point. Sorry for the misunderstanding.<P>Regards,<P>Lothar Sauvage, CI
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Postby Lothar Sauvage on Wed Jun 06, 2001 12:55 am

Agreed. I have no love for Yahoo, but like wallmart and Sam's Club, the do serve their purpose. However, if they will change so as to not provide the service we need, it's a good time to move. <P>Besides, we don't really seem to be using the Yahoo page. It just isn't as intuative as Keenspot, and there are some rather severe javascript issues for folks without a MS browser or OS. Most can be worked around, but, well, why?<P>Thanks siece for pushing this through.<P>Regards,<P>Lothar Sauvage, CI
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Postby TheVagabond on Wed Jun 06, 2001 1:07 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jamie:
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Actually someone mentioned that the clubs are being closed down. So, we may have to move anyway, not sure. Any more info on that?
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I've been told that now that Yahoo! has acquire eGroups to form Yahoo! Groups, they will be transferring Clubs over to Groups and shutting down the Clubs feature before too much longer. I went looking for more detailed information, but couldn't find it.<P>------------------
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Postby Jamie on Wed Jun 06, 2001 11:11 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by siece:
<B>If someone will email me privately and let me know what services are needed, I'd even be willing to do the research and present what I find for people to look at.
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Would love to, but first we need your e-mail. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"> Really what we are looking for is another place to meet, like the Keenspot Message Board. We're not looking to replace the Keenspot MB, we just want to expand. We need something w/ the popularity, ease and accessibility of Yahoo. As I explained before, that's why we picked it. We want to spread the word.<P>Actually someone mentioned that the clubs are being closed down. So, we may have to move anyway, not sure. Any more info on that?<P>Take care,<P>(Sir) Jamie
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Postby Treespeaker on Fri Jun 08, 2001 8:00 am

To raise a new issue:
Why is the EI club listed under "Spirituality" in Yahoo!'s system? I'll admit that we're certainly of a more philisophical nature than many organzations, but is that really cause to shove us off into a relativly low-traffic area? Not to metion that a large percent of that traffic is looking for someone else' opinion to validate the crazy pseudo-religious babble they've been spewing on their homebaes, rather than for an organization such as ours. No disrespect intended to the idea of a "Spiritual" forum, but I think it's too likely to be Wacko Central for it to serve our purposes. If you think I'm being too quick to judge the "Spiritual" Internet subculture, please let me know...but if you agree that the Yahoo! Spiritual forums the wrong place for EI, please speak out as well! Thanks.<P>------------------
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Postby Jamie on Fri Jun 08, 2001 10:31 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Treespeaker:
<B>To raise a new issue:
Why is the EI club listed under "Spirituality" in Yahoo!'s system?</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>
I looked and looked over the Yahoo Club system and Spirituality was the closest thing <I>they had</I> that I could put EI in. We are not all teens, or just men, or just women. We don't live in one country.<P>I finally searched "good deeds", since I found nothing under Chivalry, and got this <A HREF="http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/knightsofavalon" TARGET=_blank>http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/knightsofavalon</A> which is sort of what EI is about. <P>So, there is precedent for having a Club like ours in Spirituality. I was not crazy about it either, but Yahoo and Good deeds don
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Postby TheSarahLady on Sat Jun 09, 2001 7:40 am

I perfectly understand why you would chose spirituality as opposed to others, Sir Jamie. It does make sense...I mean after all...Spirituality is a set of beliefs and moral codes, and so is chivalry (not in the same way of course...but it's close enough) and I think that yahoo is as good a place as any...they may have their faults...but so does everywhere...so what can you do ^_~<P>Just my two cents ^_^ <P><P>------------------
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Postby TheVagabond on Tue Jun 19, 2001 10:39 am

I have posted a link in the Yahoo! Club that leads to a series of pages regarding the conversion of Clubs to Groups for any and all who are interested.<P>------------------
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