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The noble Order of the Knights of Jubal traces its origins back to the Year Two Thousand A.D., when a group of distinguished persons of good and true character, founded the order to promote chivalry and honour. The order takes its name from our leader, Alexander Jubal McRae, who on two (so far) occasions has been seriously injured, in one case fatally, defending an innocent woman from attackers.

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Postby Greg on Wed Mar 14, 2001 3:48 am

Hi there!<P>The promotion ceremony is a great idea. As to the logistics of doing it; we obviously can't do it in real life, at least not everyone. Perhaps we could do it in IRC or ActiveWorlds (Or KnightChat, if I ever finish writing it!).<P>As for a KCI or GCI oath, it's probably not necessary. Granting of a KCI is rare at best, and a GCI (our highest honour) might happen but once in a lifetime. We'll cross that bridge when we come to it.<P>Regards,
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Postby TimberBram on Wed Mar 14, 2001 4:27 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Greg:
<B>(Or KnightChat, if I ever finish writing it!)</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>This is what I intended for any ceremonies. The global nature of EI means that our get-togethers are mostly going to be virtual.<P>Peace and PIQE,
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Postby BandMan2K on Thu Mar 15, 2001 6:17 am

Time for me to put in my information at this time. <P>Everything looks pretty cool and I think this is a great turn of events for us all.
I also think the KnightChat is a great idea, but i think it would be cool if we all could get together in flesh and blood and finally meet all of us, however of course that is nearly impossible unless we all got money together and tried to find a place for all of us to meet. Until that Most Glorious of Days when We All Shall Meet, Knightchat is a good step forward and the final revision for the KI Oath should be put up.
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Postby Ogredude on Thu Mar 15, 2001 9:21 am

Until KnightChat is up and running (what is KnightChat? Why haven't I heard about it? Anyway.) I offer up my IRC network, Nightstar, for Knights and Companions to meet virtually.<P>Nightstar is currently home to #CRFH and several other comic strip channels, and everyone seems to be pretty satisfied with it (after some settling-in, of course).<P>If you've never used IRC, we can start a new thread to explain how to get onto Nightstar, and if you have used IRC before, the server is irc.nightstar.net<P>Let me know!
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Postby BandMan2K on Tue Mar 20, 2001 1:31 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ogredude:<P>
If you've never used IRC, we can start a new thread to explain how to get onto Nightstar, and if you have used IRC before, the server is irc.nightstar.net<P>/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Umm... yeah. I've never used IRC before so if anything as a group is to happen, you would need to let me know since i am a lowly person on the Computer Knowledge Ladder of Life. <P>
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Postby Greg on Tue Mar 20, 2001 2:00 am

Hi there!<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ogredude:
<B>Until KnightChat is up and running (what is KnightChat? Why haven't I heard about it? Anyway.)</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P><I><B>Knightchat</B></I> is a program I'm working on for the Conclave of Knights. It's similar to a very basic IRC client, but specifically geared towards the Order of Jubal, and also handles things like secure sessions, automatic voting and tallying, etc.<P>Theres no reason that it couldn't be used for ceremonies. Or for anything for that matter, since it isn't finished yet.<P>The down side is that I was only intending to write a Windows version for it, since I have neither a Mac nor the programming skill to program one, nor are my Linux skills good enough.<P>If anyone is interested in developing a Mac or Linux version, I'm happy to document the protocols and make them available. As soon as I've worked 'em out myself.<P>btw, have could someone please post the finanlised (or, at least, current version) of the Oath. I need it for the revamp of the EI website, which will be coming soon to a browser near you.<P>Regards,
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Postby TimberBram on Tue Mar 20, 2001 9:24 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Greg:
<B>btw, have could someone please post the finanlised (or, at least, current version) of the Oath. I need it for the revamp of the EI website, which will be coming soon to a browser near you.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Your wish is my command. I was waiting to see if there were any more suggestions, but people seem happy.<P>Here it is:
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AN OATH FOR THE KNIGHTS OF JUBAL
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-<P>It is known that for thousands of years
the strong have preyed upon the weak.<P>At various times and places an ideal arises,
an ideal contravening this so-called natural order of things,
an ideal requiring
that the strong PROTECT those who are weak,
that those who have PROVIDE FOR those who have not,
and that those who can HELP AND AID those who cannot.<P>It is known that this high ideal of Chivalry has arisen
time and again
only to be hidden by the actions of humanity
time and again.<P>THEREFORE, we Knights of the Order of Jubal
do hereby declare and affirm and aver
that the High Ideals of Chivalry are once again
brought to the light of day and so swear to live by them.<P>Remember that any action creates a reaction.
Therefore, what you do, expect to receive.<P>The Knight's word must be the word of truth and
counted more trustworthy than a legal contract.
Therefore, when you must give your word in bond, keep it.<P>Do not speak ill of others, for you may not know the whole truth.
Similarly, do not gossip, for unverified words are hearsay
and in large part a thing of falsehoods.
Be honest with others, and have them know that honesty
is likewise expected of them.<P>The anger of a moment leads to foolishness and
may wreak havoc on the truth;
remember the Motto and keep your cool.<P>Consider the consequences of your actions for others.
Strive to do no harm.<P>Learn quickly what the local norms of practice are.
Obeying them will lead to peaceful interaction rather than useless conflict.
Similarly, dignity and good humour are much to be admired.<P>Courage and honour endure,
even after mountains have crumbled to dust.<P>Pledge your friendship to those who warrant it
and support others in their need that
they may support you when you are in need.<P>The laws of the land should be obeyed
wherever possible and within reason,
for they are generally chosen with wisdom.<P>Any Knight following this High Path of Chivalry
must be above reproach in the eyes of the world.
Only then will the darkness be lifted.<P>TO THESE ENDS, we, the Knights of Jubal, swear:
to uphold the right, even at the cost of our lives;
to mete out even handed justice, tempered with mercy;
to assist and defend others; and
to strive to act with honour at all times.<P>Probi Immotiqve Este: Be virtuous and cool.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-<P>Peace and PIQE,
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Postby TimberBram on Wed Mar 21, 2001 1:07 am

[fg Accuracy-Validation daemon]
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Processing...........
First pass completed. Corrections made.
[bg Accuracy-Validation daemon]<P>Okay. My OS has dealt with a few things. (Go back up and read it.) Did it miss anything?<P>Peace and PIQE,
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Postby BandMan2K on Wed Mar 21, 2001 6:14 am

DUDE! That oath kicks so much ass! It's great in wording and yet hits you right in the chest. I say congrats to all since all have in some way contributed to it, but big congrats to Sir Greg, Sir Timber and Sir Silver. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"> <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"><P>------------------
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Postby Silver Adept on Wed Mar 21, 2001 10:18 am

Adopt the Oath as it stands! (that is, AFTER the spelling and grammar daemons do their work... (Known, not know... and other such things like that.)<P>And add our knowledge to the main page. I think we've found a good one.<P>------------------
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Postby Silver Adept on Fri Mar 23, 2001 4:55 am

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Postby Silver Adept on Mon Mar 26, 2001 10:44 am

Hey. Searching around the web for more information in our chivalrous pursuit, (i.e. More material for the "What Is" page) and came across a page marked as The Weapons Emporium, from whence the following was taken. It's a compliation of many different sources. Sift through it and enjoy.<P>Oh, yes, one more thing. As how the last was Paganized... this one's Christianized (to a degree, anyway). Again, consider yourself forewarned.<P>The Code of Chivalry
The "Code of Chivalry" is often thought to be a single code, when in fact, there were many such codes. Each order of Knights had it's own oaths and codes to which its members were to adhere. However, there was great similarity in these oaths and codes. The codes presented below are true to the spirit of Chivalry, and represent various adaptations of this guide to honorable behavior. While chivalry is a centuries-old concept, The Weapons Emporium believes that we can still learn much from studying these codes. We encourage you to adapt the codes below into your own personal code of conduct, and then to stay true to this code. There are many rewards for following a disciplined life, not least of which is the personal satisfaction of a life well lived.<P>
The Code of Chivalry according to the Order of the Rose<P>Thou shalt defend the innocent.
Thou shalt respect all weaknesses and shalt constitute thyself the defender of them.
Thou shalt love the country in which thou was born.
Thou shalt not recoil before thine enemy.
Thou shalt perform scrupulously the feudal duties.
Thou shalt never lie and remain faithful to thy pledged word.
Thou shalt be generous and give largesse to everyone.
Thou shalt be everywhere and always the champion of the Right and Good and the foe of Injustice and Evil.<P> <P> Ye Olde Knightly Code of Chivalry<P>1. Thou shalt believe all thy church teaches and observe all its directions.
2. Thou shalt defend thy church.
3. Thou shalt defend thy King and Queen unto death.
4. Thou shalt defend thy country against all whom oppose it without cessation and without mercy.
5. Thou shalt defend that of any charge unto death.
6. Thou shalt respect all those whom are weak, the poor and the innocent, and shalt constitute thyself the defender of them.
7. Thou shalt never lie and remain faithful to thy pledged word.
8. Thou shalt never brandish thy weapon in anger nor for evil purposes.
9. Thou shalt perform scrupulously thy feudal duties, if they be not contrary to the laws of god.
10. Thou shalt be everywhere and always thy champion of the Right, the Good and the True, and forever the foe of Injustice, Tyranny and Evil.
11. Thou shalt always fight fair and in an honorable fashion.
12. Thou shalt be generous and give largesse to everyone.<P>In addition to oaths and other codes, there were also Chivalric guidelines for character and romantic relationships.<P>Ye Nine Points of Knightly Virtue
Honor
Loyalty
Liberality
Pride
Good Faith
Bravery
Glory
Courtesy
Unselfishness<P>Knightly Rules for Chivalrous Love<P>1.Thou shalt avoid avarice like the deadly pestilence and shalt embrace its opposite.
2.Thou shalt keep thyself chaste for the sake of her <b>(or him)</b> whom thou lovest.
3.Thou shalt not knowingly strive to break up a correct love affair that someone else is engaged in.
4.Thou shalt not chose for thy love anyone whom a natural sense of shame forbids thee to marry.
5.Be mindful completely to avoid falsehood.
6.Thou shalt not have many who know of thy love affair.
7.Being obedient in all things to the commands of ladies, thou shalt ever strive to ally thyself to the service of Love.
8.In giving and receiving love's solaces let modesty be ever present.
9.Thou shalt speak no evil.
10.Thou shalt not be a revealer of love affairs.
11.Thou shalt be in all things polite and courteous.
12.In practising the solaces of love thou shalt not exceed the desires of thy lover. <P>The Ten Commandments of the Code of Chivalry<P>From Chivalry by Leon Gautier<P>I.Thou shalt believe all that the Church teaches, and shalt observe all its directions.
II.Thou shalt defend the Church.
III.Thou shalt repect all weaknesses, and shalt constitute thyself the defender of them.
IV.Thou shalt love the country in the which thou wast born.
V.Thou shalt not recoil before thine enemy.
VI.Thou shalt make war against the Infidel without cessation, and without mercy.
VII.Thou shalt perform scrupulously thy feudal duties, if they be not contrary to the laws of God.
VIII.Thou shalt never lie, and shall remain faithful to thy pledged word.
IX.Thou shalt be generous, and give largess to everyone.
X.Thou shalt be everywhere and always the champion of the Right and the Good against
Injustice and Evil. <P>The Code of Chivalry<P>Live to serve King and Country.
Live to defend Crown and Country and all it holds dear.
Live one's life so that it is worthy of respect and honor.
Live for freedom, justice and all that is good.
Never attack an unarmed foe.
Never use a weapon on an opponent not equal to the attack.
Never attack from behind.
Avoid lying to your fellow man.
Avoid cheating.
Avoid torture.
Obey the law of king, country, and chivalry.
Administer justice.
Protect the innocent.
Exhibit self control.
Show respect to authority.
Respect women.
Exhibit Courage in word and deed.
Defend the weak and innocent.
Destry evil in all of its monstrous forms.
Crush the monsters that steal our land and rob our people.
Fight with honor.
Avenge the wronged.
Never abandon a friend, ally, or noble cause.
Fight for the ideals of king, country, and chivalry.
Die with valor.
Always keep one's word of honor.
Always maintain one's principles.
Never betray a confidence or comrade.
Avoid deception.
Respect life and freedom.
Die with honor.
Exhibit manners.
Be polite and attentive.
Be respectful of host, women, and honor.
Loyalty to country, King, honor, freedom, and the code of chivalry.
Loyalty to one's friends and those who lay their trust in thee. <P>The Twelve Chief Rules in Love<P>From Courtly Love by Andreas Capellanus<P>1.Thou shalt avoid avarice like the deadly pestilence and shalt embrace its opposite.
2.Thou shalt keep thyself chaste for the sake of her whom thou lovest.
3.Thou shalt not knowingly strive to break up a correct love affair that someone else is engaged in.
4.Thou shalt not chose for thy love anyone whom a natural sense of shame forbids thee to
marry.
5.Be mindful completely to avoid falsehood.
6.Thou shalt no have many who know of thy affair.
7.Being obedient in all things to the commands of ladies, thou shalt ever strive to ally thyself to the service of Love.
8.In giving and receiving love's solaces let modesty be ever present.
9.Thou shalt speak no evil.
10.Thou shalt not be a revealer of love affairs.
11.Thou shalt be in all things polite and courteous.
12.In pratising the solaces of love thou shalt not exceed the desires of the thy lover. <P>The Art of Courtly Love<P>From Courtly Love by Andreas Capellanus<P>1.Marriage is no real excuse for not loving.
2.He who is jealous cannot love.
3.No one can be bound by a double love.
4.It is well known that love is always increasing or decreasing.
5.That which a lover takes against the will of his beloved has no relish.
6.Boys do not love until they reach the age of maturity.
7.When one lover dies, a widowhood of two years is required of the survivor.
8.No one should be deprived of love without the very best of reasons.
9.No one can love unless he is propelled by the persuasion of love.
10.Love is always a stranger in the home of avarice.
11.It is not proper to love any woman whom one would be ashamed to seek to marry.
12.A true lover does not desire to embrace in love anyone except his beloved.
13.When made public love rarely endures.
14.The easy attainment of love makes it of little value: difficulty of attainment makes it prized.
15.Every lover regularly turns pale in the presence of his beloved.
16.When a lover suddenly catches sight of his beloved his heart palpitates.
17.A new love puts an old one to flight.
18.Good character alone makes any man worthy of love.
19.If love diminishes, it quickly fails and rarely revives.
20.A man in love is always apprehensive.
21.Real jealousy always increases the feeling of love.
22.Jealousy increases when one suspects his beloved.
23.He whom the thought of love vexes eats and sleeps very little.
24.Every act of a lover ends in the thought of his beloved.
25.A true lover considers nothing good except what he thinks will please his beloved.
26.Love can deny nothing to love.
27.A lover can never have enough of the solaces of his beloved.
28.A slight presumption causes a lover to suspect his beloved.
29.A man who is vexed by too much passion usually does not love.
30.A true lover is constantly and without intermission possessed by the thought of his beloved.
31.Nothing forbids one woman being loved by two men or one man by two women.

The Knightly virtues <P>Liberality Honor Good Faith
Glory Unselfishness Pride
Courtesy Bravery Loyalty<P>Definition of the Knightly Virtues <P>Liberality- generosity; open mindedness
Glory- great honor, popular praise, renown
Courtesy- formal politeness, favor instead of right
Honor- Any token of recognition for distinguished services or high merit; a fine sense of what is just
and right with readiness to apply it to one's own conduct in relation to others
Unselfishness- generous; caring for others above oneself
Bravery- fearlessness in the presence of danger; courage
Good faith- Trust upon word alone
Pride- A proper feeling of esteem for one's own qualities or achievements
Loyalty- Faithfulness to country, duty, or friend <P>Code Of Chivalry <P>1. Noblity in Service
2. Death before Dishonor
3. Enterprise in obedience to rule
4. Respect for all worthy people
5. Honor all those above your station
6. Command Obedience through respect
7. Scorn those who are ignoble
8. Protect the innocent
9. punish the guilty
10. Courtesy to all ladies
11. Battle is the test of Manhood
12. Combat is Glory
13. Defend your charge unto death
14. War is the flowering of Chivalry
15. Death to all who oppose the cause
16. Arts are the food of the Chivalrous (especially music)
17. Anger blinds, a cool head will win the day<P>The List Field (The showplace of Chivalric Conduct) <P>1. Courtesy to your opponent at all times
2. In combat if you are uncertain of a blow take it
3. Do not let anger control your actions
4. Do not let the lack of Chivalry in others cause you to be unchivalrous
5. If your opponent is your equal practice chivalric action
6. If your opponent is your better give no quarter
7. Remember your actions speak louder than words<P>Championship <P>One of the most important aspects of Chivalry is the Championship of a Lady. When you find a person whom you feel is worthy to be championed by you this is an example oath that you should use to bind your sword to her honor. <P>The Oath of the Champion <P>My dearest lady at this juncture I find myself bereft of a Lady to champion. It would be a great honor for myself and my entire Household if I could fight with your favor, and be your champion in this upcoming Affair of Arms. I will do my best to prove the strength of my arms so that I may show to
those nobles assembled your great honor, beauty, and gentle grace. <P>If she excepts your offer of Championship she is then expected to bestow on you a favor. A favor is a piece of cloth or jewelry which is personal to the lady. You wear the favor in your belt as a sign that you are fighting for her and that you will do your best to uphold her honor on the tourney field. <P>Virtues of Chivalrous love <P>Modest Attentive Honest
Graceful Well-groomed Faithful
Discrete Generous Worthy of Praise<P>Okay. Anybody who finds duplicates, let me know so that we can pare things down. <P>------------------
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Postby Shadowlord on Thu Mar 29, 2001 7:28 am

Greg-
I'm not a member of your Order, but was reading these boards, and happened to notice your post about you making this KnightChat program.<P>I was wondering, how far along are you, and what features were you planning for it? The reason I ask is that I was working on a *somewhat* similar project earlier, which was actually intended to function something like an instant messaging program with offline messaging, and "petitions" which could be voted on by people. There were two parts of it, the server and client, and I had added a rudimentry form of encryption to it.<P>It was written as a Java application, and would thus work on any platform that has a JRE (Java Runtime Environment). This includes Macs, Windows, Linux, and Solaris, for instance.<P>I was not intending to distribute it as open source, or even to distribute it at all, at this point. Also, it's only around 40%-70% finished, and many of the features I've planned aren't implemented yet.<P>I'm quite busy, however, with my regular life, which is part of the reason I haven't been working on it recently.<P>Come to think of it, your program doesn't sound as complicated as the one I'm working on, and it sounds like it'd probably be more work for me to remove stuff from mine to make it work the way you'd want than it would to make a new one from scratch (or near-scratch, keeping just the basic networking stuff)<P>If you want, I should be able to make or help make a java version of a Client for it.<P>Also, does your KnightChat work as a client/server application? Or is it one program that can act as both a client and a server?<P>-Shadowlord<P>PS This post may seem somewhat disarranged, but that's because I need sleep. *Goes to sleep*
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Postby Greg on Sun Apr 01, 2001 4:57 am

Hi there!<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Shadowlord:
<B>Also, does your KnightChat work as a client/server application? Or is it one program that can act as both a client and a server?
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>It's fully client-server. My java skills are next to non-existent, so I was developing it in VB6.<P>Basically, I was working on a telnet-like connection, with a messaging language communicating on top of it. Therefore, it should be pretty easy to develop a client in almost any language and platform, provided that it can handle TCP connections.<P>So far, I've fully developed the server daemon and half-written the client, then changed my mind on the architecture and am currently doing a rewrite of the server software.<P>The encryption is basically a very-cutdown Diffey-Hellman with key exchange done automagically by the software. I thought of using the PGP APIs but didn't like the looks or the price of them. I may take another look further down the track.<P>Regards,
Sir Greg<P>
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Postby TimberBram on Fri Apr 06, 2001 11:35 am

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AN OATH FOR THE KNIGHTS OF JUBAL
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-<P>Since I finally managed to record a half-way acceptable version of the Oath, here's an MP3.<P>Thanks to Eric the Ogredude, CI, for hosting it.<P> <A HREF="http://www.nightstar.net/timberbram/koj/ki-oath-w.mp3" TARGET=_blank>http://www.nightstar.net/timberbram/koj/ki-oath-w.mp3</A> (1.19 MiB)<P>Peace,
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Postby Greg on Wed Apr 11, 2001 6:58 am

Hi there!<P>Well done, Sir Timber!<P>Rest assured that this MP3 will find a happy home on the EI website as soon as I've finished the updates.<P>Actually, maybe we should put it on Napster... <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"> <P>Regards,
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Postby TimberBram on Wed Apr 11, 2001 10:46 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Greg:
<B>Rest assured that this MP3 will find a happy home on the EI website as soon as I've finished the updates.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Cool. If that's the case, I better get practicing until it sounds good instead of merely adequate. I guess some sort of copyright info would need to be attached to it, too. <P>I know something about copyright, but I'm not certain an informal organisation like us can copyright things. Anyone know for certain? (I want the International Geneva Interpretation.)<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Greg:
<B>Actually, maybe we should put it on Napster...</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P> <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/eek.gif"> Only if I redo it <I>much</I> better first. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"><P>(Though if a recording of the Oath (not necessarily by me--I'd be in favour of someone with a better voice and delivery) was available on Napster it may at least give some people cause to think.)<P>Peace,
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Postby Silver Adept on Thu Apr 12, 2001 2:09 am

On the matter of copryrights: <P>I believe that as long as we say it's copyright, according to new rules, (at least in the U.S.) it is. We don't even necessarily have to file for a copryright. (I'm not sure if it applies, but for webpages it does...)<P>As for the actual recording: <P>Sir Timber, you're excellent. I have an idea, however. If I can find a .wav to .mp3 converter somewhere, then I can have everyone take a swing at it that has a microphone and recording capabilities.<P>Anyone else wanting to take a swing at it?<P>------------------
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Postby BandMan2K on Thu Apr 12, 2001 5:10 am

Get James Earl Jones. Anything sounds good when HE says it. I mean look at Darth Vader. He just kicks so much ass. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"><P>------------------
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Postby TheSarahLady on Thu Apr 12, 2001 8:33 am

I do have a converter, and would be more than happy to volunteer it's use, if anyone wanted to try their hand (er voice) at it ^_^<P><P>------------------
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Postby TheSarahLady on Thu Apr 12, 2001 10:46 am

I vote for Sir Sean Connery ^_~ and not just cause his voice (to quote Ki of GPF fame) "Makes my toes curl". Who better than a knight (even if it's only honorary) to represent a group such as this?... <P>And by the way..I think Sir Timber sounds just fine doing it, take it from a professional ^_~<P>------------------
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Postby Silver Adept on Mon Apr 16, 2001 3:50 am

I'd most certainly like to have it... <P>How big is it?
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Postby Greg on Mon Apr 16, 2001 5:09 am

Hi there!<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Silver Adept:
<B>I believe that as long as we say it's copyright, according to new rules, (at least in the U.S.) it is. We don't even necessarily have to file for a copryright. (I'm not sure if it applies, but for webpages it does...)
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Under Australian laws, if the person (or group) that writes it says that it's copyright, and can provide a date and time that it was written (presumeably, the timestamp on the Keenspot posting is sufficient), then it is.<P>If it came to a legal challenge, our biggest problem would be establishing that the Order of Jubal is a legal entity in itself, and thus has the right to own a copyright and take legal action.<P>Currently, I'm not quite sure where we stand. But it's probably a good idea that we find out.<P>So, we need to establish a proper "Head Office", if only in name. My feeling is that it should be in a country where one of the Knights lives. But I'm not sure which one would be the best choice to do so.<P>Really, we need somewhere that allows us to:
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<LI>Act as a legal entity (i.e. Own copyright, hold and despose of property and assets, sue - and be sued.)
<LI>Grant honours and titles
<LI>Grant armorial blazons
</UL><P>I'm not sure where Australia stands in this, but I suspect the blazons and honours may be a sticking point.<P>Any idea where the U.S. stands on this?<P>On the subject of the MP3, I think Sir Timber has done well. And a good copy on Napster will give people pause for thought - particularly as it will probably be the only file on their once the courts are done with them!<P>Regards,
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Postby TheSarahLady on Mon Apr 16, 2001 5:28 am

It's about 2.02 KB Sir Alexander, if you would like to email me I would be happy to zip it up and send it to you ^_^ <P>------------------
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Postby PhoenixPaw on Tue Apr 24, 2001 12:27 am

Greetings.<P>When I was reading the part of "love yourself first" I was saddened. That is the only thing I find difficult of all chivilry codes posted in this thread. Near impossible in fact...<P>PhoenixPaw CI<p>[This message has been edited by PhoenixPaw (edited 04-26-2001).]
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