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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2001 3:49 am
by Howard Tayler
Hi. I found the board, scanned the posts, and am a bit confused. <P>1) Is Jubal real-real or fictional-real? What's the WHOLE story?<P>2) Do I have to be a COTC reader to participate?<P>3) Chivalry, in its original form, seems patently sexist in a lot of BAD ways. Are you updating the code at all?<P>4) I wield a company of <A HREF="http://www.schlockmercenaryc.com">space mercenaries</A> at the tip of my pen. Can chivalry be found among violence-prone profiteers if their hearts are in the right place?<P>--Howard Tayler
writer, engineer, swordsman, mage adept,
dragon-tamer, bard, ranger, and righteous
slave of the muses (among other things)

PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2001 4:33 am
by TimberBram
To answer your questions.<P>1) Jubal McRae is fictional-real. However, the Order of the Knights of Jubal is real-real (but without sanction from any government or college of heralds).
2) Not required, but it would help you know what's going on.
3) Yes. See the <A HREF="http://iubalis.org" TARGET=_blank>Eqvites Ivbalis</A> website for the Oath.
4) I suppose it's possible...however, I expect only non-fictional persons are eligible for membership. (I think that might be a matter for the Convocation of Knights to discuss.)<P>I request Sir Jamie and/or Sir Gregory to provide corrections, further information/details.<P>Peace,
Sir Timber Bram, KI.<P>------------------
<A HREF="http://members.home.net/timberbram/index.html" TARGET=_blank>LFC</A> - a Christian comic strip/<A HREF="http://members.home.net/timberbram/erath/index.html" TARGET=_blank>Erath</A> - fantasy fiction/<A HREF="http://members.home.net/timberbram/csr/index.html" TARGET=_blank>CSR Universe</A> - science fiction
Sir Timber Bram, KI Eqvites Ivbalis

PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2001 4:51 am
by Greg
Hi there!<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Howard Tayler:
<B>1) Is Jubal real-real or fictional-real? </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Jubal is a fictional character from the web comic <A HREF="http://www.clanofthecats.com" TARGET=_blank>Clan of the Cats</A>. For his full story, the strip is the best place to start.<P>On two occasions in the strip, Jubal was shot defending an innocent woman (Chelsea). His actions sparked a lot of debate on the message board about wether Chivalry was still alive in the world.<P>Out of these discussions rose Eqvites Ivbalis - the Order of Jubal. Whilst Jubal himself fictional, as a role model of post-modern chivalry, we have made him head of our Order.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>2) Do I have to be a COTC reader to participate?</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>It's not required. However, we may make mention of some of the events in the strip on the message board. It may help you to read the character profiles on the COTC web page, so that you know who's who.<P>But it is not required to enter the Order.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>3) Chivalry, in its original form, seems patently sexist in a lot of BAD ways. Are you updating the code at all?</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yes!<P>This is dicussed at greater length on the web site, but the Oath we take is:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><P>I, full name, do solemnly swear and commit to:<P>Uphold the right, even at the cost of my life;
Meter even handed justice, tempered with mercy;
Assist and defend others;
and to strive to act with honour at all times.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>The oath discusses Assisting and defending others, regardless of gender, race, religion or any other factors.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>4) I wield a company of <A HREF="http://www.schlockmercenaryc.com">space mercenaries</A> at the tip of my pen. Can chivalry be found among violence-prone profiteers if their hearts are in the right place?
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Hard to say, but I would suspect not.<P>Whilst I am not personally aquainted with your crew, by definition mercenaries fight based on who pays them, regardless of the cause or of their personal beliefs.<P>They can be honourable, in their own way, by treating prisoners with as much dignity as the situation allows, but this could hadly be called "acting with honour at all times", which is (I beleive) the hallmark of a chivalrous person.<P>Regards
Sir Gregory of Melbourne, KI<P>
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Sir Gregory of Melbourne, KI
Knight of the <A HREF="http://www.iubalis.org" TARGET=_blank>Order of Jubal</A>
"What I tell you three times is true..." - The Bellman

PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2001 5:20 am
by Jamie
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TimberBram:
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4) I suppose it's possible...however, I expect only non-fictional persons are eligible for membership. (I think that might be a matter for the Convocation of Knights to discuss.)
Peace,
Sir Timber Bram, KI.<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yes, only non-fictional, real-real people can join EI. I had actually approached Greg of possibly making Chelsea a Knight, since she did save the world a time or two. However he wisely pointed out that too many fictional characters might deter from the group's original concepts. It also may deter others from taking the order seriously. Another thing to think about is where do you stop? Countless fictional characters have performed acts that would befit a knight. I mean I can think of several right here on the web. So we thought it in the order

PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2001 8:40 am
by Howard Tayler
Thank you for the prompt, informative responses. I appreciate the "dilution factor" inherent in fictional-figure membership, and only raised the mercenary spectre because while they THINK they work for pay, they actually work for me. <P>The strip is just another communication tool, and the whole "saving the galaxy" thing (which is bound to come up sooner or later) is a metaphor for the way we all ought to act. After all, ultimately we all do some things for pay. What we must ask ourselves is where we will stand when we are being offered pay to do the wrong thing, rather than the right thing.<P>Enough blabber from me... I'm off to the oath thread.<P>------------------
Howard Tayler
"<A HREF="http://www.schlockmercenary.com" TARGET=_blank>Schlock Mercenary</A>"