A Motto, Perhaps?

The noble Order of the Knights of Jubal traces its origins back to the Year Two Thousand A.D., when a group of distinguished persons of good and true character, founded the order to promote chivalry and honour. The order takes its name from our leader, Alexander Jubal McRae, who on two (so far) occasions has been seriously injured, in one case fatally, defending an innocent woman from attackers.

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Postby Silver Adept on Wed Feb 07, 2001 3:00 am

I just thought of something very important. <P>The Eqvites Ivbalis sould have a saying, motto, or creed unto which all members may recite and learn to show that they are members of the Order of Jubal. <P>(Kinda like the Hogwarts saying, "Don't disturb a sleeping dragon"... in Latin, of course, would be the saying.)<P>The creed could be the virtues of a Knight of Jubal. <P>Any thoughts, comments, ideas, etc. from anyone?<P>------------------
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Postby Greg on Wed Feb 07, 2001 4:35 am

A good point!<P>I think a motto would be an excellent idea.<P>I'm not sure that we need a full creed - the Oath would take the place of that, surely.<P>So, what should it be?<P>Regards,
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Postby Jamie on Wed Feb 07, 2001 5:09 am

I know what Jubal would say.<P>
<B>Be Virtuous and be Cool.</B><P>Jamie<P>
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Postby Alfador on Wed Feb 07, 2001 7:42 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jamie:
<B>I know what Jubal would say.<P>
Be Virtuous and be Cool.</B><P>Jamie<P><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yeah, but in Latin! Err...I only know Spanish...for which <I>Soy fresco!</I> means "I am cool!" I don't have a <I>diccionario</I> handy, so I don't know what virtuous would be, in either language. But that should be it!<P>------------------
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Postby TheSarahLady on Wed Feb 07, 2001 11:40 am

Having never taken Latin I don't know if this helps, but according to my English/Latin Dictionary the word for virtue is sanctimonia, and the coolness is frigus. <P>------------------
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Postby TimberBram on Thu Feb 08, 2001 12:12 pm

I'll add my C$0.05 to the ring. I searched for the appropriate Latin words and believe I have them, but am at a loss for putting them together with the correct verb form and noun declension. <P>Nonetheless, here are the words:<P>to be: (too many options; couldn't find 2nd person imperative, singular or plural)
and: <I>et</I> (that was the easy one)
virtuous: <I>probus</I> (-a -um) in the sense of morally upright
cool: <I>quietus</I> (-a -um) in the sense of calm
cool: <I>immotus</I> (-a -um) in the sense of steadfast<P>If my understanding is correct, with the correct verb I'm done.
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[Be] probus et [be] immotus.
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(It should be the same form of "to be" in both places, an imperative--doesn't matter if it's singular or plural.)<P>Peace,
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Postby Silver Adept on Fri Feb 09, 2001 4:52 am

I think that's a good starting point. <P>------------------
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Postby Shay_Caron on Sat Feb 10, 2001 7:15 am

Let me see if I can't just finish this up. According to my Oxford Latin dictionary, the imperative for "to be" is <I>es</I> or <I>esto</I> for singular, <I>este</I> for plural. I think Sir Timber has the adjectives just right. So, finally, I think it sounds best as <I>"Probus este et immotus este."</I>
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Postby Namenlos on Sat Feb 10, 2001 9:43 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Shay_Caron:
<B>Let me see if I can't just finish this up. According to my Oxford Latin dictionary, the imperative for "to be" is <I>es</I> or <I>esto</I> for singular, <I>este</I> for plural. I think Sir Timber has the adjectives just right. So, finally, I think it sounds best as <I>"Probus este et immotus este."</I>
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>My two cents: <I>"Probus et Immotus Este"</I> has serious flow to it. <P>-der Fuchs
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Postby Tabias on Sun Feb 11, 2001 1:12 am

I live!<P>Boy, I haven't poked around COTC land in awhiles... Life has been wacky.<P>Anyway, I figured I'd throw in my two cents, since I'm the resident Rome freak and currently actively studying latin. :0)<P>You guys have things goin' well, but I figured I'd throw in my knowledge in the subject: "Probi et Immoti Este" is the most proper, I believe. (Those Romans and Catholics wouldn't waste thier time saying the same word twice!) Also, if you are adressing a group of people with the plural vocative of "est", the adjectives must also be plural. "Probus et Immotus" would be proper for esto, but the singular forms wouldn't work with the plural este. I think. (I'm not really doing exceptionally well in latin, to be honest! I love the culture more then the language...)<P>So it depends if you're going with the singular, therefore more intimate form---Probus et Immotus Esto---or the plural form---Probi er Immoti Este.<P>Or it could be Probi Immotique Este. ("que" at the end of the second serves as and, like in SPQR---senatus populusque romarum, the senate and people of rome.) And the initials could be PIQE. Which amuses me on a deep level.<P>Well, I feel sufficiently nerdy. :0)<P>------------------
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Postby Greg on Sun Feb 11, 2001 2:41 am

Hi there!<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tabias:
<B>I live!</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Great to see you again!<P>Probi Immotique Este gets my vote, and with the PIQE acronym. However, since we've established that there the letter 'u' shouldn't appear, perhaps: <B>Probi Immotiqve Este</B><P>btw, Lady Tabias, now that you're back, could I ask a tiny favour? <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>I need you to update the EI emblem with the correct spelling "Eqvites Ivbalis". Once again, no letter u.<P>Regards,
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Postby TimberBram on Sun Feb 11, 2001 9:08 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tabias:
<B>Or it could be Probi Immotique Este. ("que" at the end of the second serves as and, like in SPQR---senatus populusque romarum, the senate and people of rome.) And the initials could be PIQE. Which amuses me on a deep level.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Hooray! Someone with some practical experience with the language has spoken. <P>I really like Lady Tabias's version. And I think PIQE is perfect--it is sure to pique anyone's interest.<P>Peace,
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Postby Jamie on Sun Feb 11, 2001 9:20 am

I'll concur w/ the motto, minus the pun. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"><P>Thanks Tabias! Thanks everybody for their help on this! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"><P>Take care,<P>Jamie<P>------------------
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Postby Silver Adept on Mon Feb 12, 2001 1:17 am

And I concur. PIQE is perfect.<P>*scribbles it away elsewhere..*
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