Chivalry Ressurrected!

The noble Order of the Knights of Jubal traces its origins back to the Year Two Thousand A.D., when a group of distinguished persons of good and true character, founded the order to promote chivalry and honour. The order takes its name from our leader, Alexander Jubal McRae, who on two (so far) occasions has been seriously injured, in one case fatally, defending an innocent woman from attackers.

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Postby Silver Adept on Thu Jan 18, 2001 4:48 am

Aye. <P>So noted that our GCI wishes it, then it shall be done. <P>Sir Greg, your honors. <P>(And I still need one of the blunt weapon-types)<P>------------------
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Postby TimberBram on Thu Jan 18, 2001 12:40 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Silver Adept:
<B>(And I still need one of the blunt weapon-types)</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well, I can't seem to find one in any of my archives.<P>So, what kind of club do you want: your typical caveman special or a more refined medieval-type weapon?<P>In the case of the former, one of my <A HREF="http://members.home.net/timberbram/erath/stories.html" TARGET=_blank>stories</A> has an illustration that includes a club. Look at Chapter 1 of "Walking in the Light" (scroll down the page a bit). I don't mind if you clip out the club for your own use...though if you want to print your eventual coat of arms I can provide a higher resolution snippet.<P>If you need the latter, I can draw one up for you. Let me know.<P>Peace,
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Postby Silver Adept on Fri Jan 19, 2001 4:52 am

Hail the new knight of Jubal. <P>(And I'd like the latter, if you wouldn't mind drawing one for me.)
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Postby TimberBram on Fri Jan 19, 2001 12:20 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Silver Adept:
<B>Hail the new knight of Jubal. <P>(And I'd like the latter, if you wouldn't mind drawing one for me.)</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Many thanks, fellow knights.<P>(I'll draw one today and post the link in this thread when it's uploaded.)<P>(That took less time than I thought. <A HREF="http://members.home.net/timberbram/temp/club.gif" TARGET=_blank>http://members.home.net/timberbram/temp/club.gif</A>. This is a two-colour, 57K, gif image scanned at 600 dpi. Don't be alarmed if it doesn't seem to show anything; just scroll the browser window. If you need something smaller and don't have a program to resize the image, tell me what dimensions (pixels is good) you need and I can do it for you.<P>Sir Alexander, the Silver Adept, has my permission to download it to his computer and manipulate it in whatever fashion he requires--including but not limited to resizing, colouring, and retouching--for inclusion as part of his Knights of Jubal coat of arms.)<P>Peace,
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Postby TimberBram on Sun Jan 21, 2001 2:20 am

You are welcome, Sir Alexander.<P>Assuming that the arms will be displayed beside your name, you may as well use the first one (crest.gif). The animated gif does not appear any different from crest2.gif for me--what's supposed to animate?<P>It's a good thing you don't have to get approval for the thing from the College of Heralds, since I'm pretty sure you're in violation of the rules for using a gyronny of eight tinctures (one of which is not valid).<P>One blazon for your shield is as follows:
Roundel shield in gyronny red, orange, gold, green, blue, azure, purple, and silver under roundel black charged two crossed clubs upright in brown.<P>(For those interested, azure and brown are not proper colours in heraldry, but since Sir Alexander used them, what can one do?)<P>Shall I post the basic guidelines for heraldry? Or does anyone care (besides me)?<P>Peace,
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Postby Silver Adept on Sun Jan 21, 2001 9:10 am

YES! <P>Many thanks, Sir Timber Bram. <P>With your excellent drawing, I was able to finish my coat of arms... with a little help from Adobe ImageReady 2.0...<P>So, here they are. They have two flavors. <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/volinar/crest.gif" TARGET=_blank>http://www.geocities.com/volinar/crest.gif</A> <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/volinar/crest2.gif" TARGET=_blank>http://www.geocities.com/volinar/crest2.gif</A> <P>Which one do you like the best?<P>
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Postby Greg on Mon Jan 22, 2001 2:45 am

Hi there!<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TimberBram:
<B>I'll post an <I>Introduction to Heraldry</I> later today when I'm not running late.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Thanks. I'll look forward to reading it.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>
Of course, since none of these arms have any "official" sanction, I suppose we can make our own rules. What say you, fellow knights? Shall we devise our own rules for arms or follow tradition?
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Personally, I think we should follow tradition as much as possible, but I don't want it to stifle anyone's artistic expression.<P>However, for the sake of consistency, we do need <I>some</I> standard rules.<P>One in particular, that springs to my mind, is that traditionally, knights of the Order of St. John make a practice of having a Maltese Cross (the symbol of the order) somewhere in their emblem.<P><A HREF="http://mailto:tabias@tabias.com" TARGET=_blank>Lady Anne</A> has produced the emblem for the Order of Jubal. I suggest that we pick a partiular feature of that, and include it in a personal arms.<P>Perhaps, we could pick up on sea of red bends, as a wreath of red and white, perhaps with the glasses emblazoned on it.<P>As far as website standards go, I'd prefer to have a standard thubnail-sized version for the roster listing, and use that as a hyperlink to either a larger version of the emblem, or the relevant knight's web page. <P>Regards,
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Postby Silver Adept on Mon Jan 22, 2001 4:50 am

Wait, then what colour should I turn the clubs, if not brown? <P>(And azure doesn't count. Rats. Any good suggestions for a color to fill its abscence?)<P>I don't know. I think it's really up to Sir Greg on this matter. <P>But if acceptable substitutes can be found, I'll change it.<P>------------------
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Postby TimberBram on Mon Jan 22, 2001 6:47 am

Okay, as promised earlier I finally have a short <A HREF="http://members.home.net/timberbram/heraldry/index.html" TARGET=_blank>Introduction to Heraldry</A> available. This is extremely basic. It briefly mentions traditional field divisions and the most common patterns. It mentions the colours and the rules for their use.<P>I also included two blazons for the emblem of the Order of the Knights of Jubal (at the bottom): one modern, one more traditional.<P>If anyone wants me to add more information, I'll see what I can do, but it will take time. And if Sir Gregory of Melbourne wants to make a copy for inclusion at the Knights of Jubal website, I have no objections.<P>I am always willing to give advice (just ask anyone) on what might be proper heraldry--I'm not an expert, but I know a lot about the rules and terminology.<P>I would tend to agree with Sir Gregory that all Knights of Jubal should have a common item in their arms. The black spectacles seem like an obvious choice.<P>Comments?<P>Peace,
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Postby TimberBram on Mon Jan 22, 2001 8:37 am

I'll post an <I>Introduction to Heraldry</I> later today when I'm not running late.<P>In the meantime, for our purposes (since there's no royalty involved) there are only eight available tinctures: two metals and six colours.<P>Metals: Gold (yellow), Silver (white).
Colours: Red, Blue, Green, Purple, Orange, Black.<P>For good heraldry you don't put a colour on a colour, nor a metal on a metal.<P>You *may* use other colours for real-world objects, if they are rendered "proper", that is, in their natural colour(s). <P>So, Sir Alexander, I'll make suggestions--various people know I love to edit--but certainly won't sweat it if you choose to keep what you have (which does look pretty good, too, I'll add).<P>[] a gyronny is usually only two tinctures alternating. Pick your favourite two (or maybe four) and run with them.
[] use a metal for the roundel and render the clubs "proper". (I suppose technically we could say they already are.)
[] if you want to keep the black roundel, you can probably get away with the gyronny of colours in the background, but the clubs should be a metal instead of proper or a colour.<P>Of course, since none of these arms have any "official" sanction, I suppose we can make our own rules. What say you, fellow knights? Shall we devise our own rules for arms or follow tradition?<P>Peace,
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Postby Ogredude on Tue Jan 23, 2001 2:35 am

Well, he was an SCA herald, but they do adhere to the age-old heraldic rules...<P>I got to meet the King & Queen of the SCA kingdom at that event... also played kitchen drudge for 3 hours... was a whole heck of a lot of fun.<P>--Ogredude, CI
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Postby Greg on Tue Jan 23, 2001 3:38 am

Hi there!<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ogredude:
<B>I'm going to swear myself in here...
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Postby Silver Adept on Tue Jan 23, 2001 4:49 am

Mant thanks for your excellent ideas. I think I know what I'll do with it. <P>(I'm keeping the clubs proper...) <P>But does anyone have a good color swatch for a Silver... all I get are shades of grey.
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Postby Ogredude on Tue Jan 23, 2001 9:46 am

I'm going to swear myself in here...<P>I, Eric, aka Ogredude, do solemnly swear and commit to:<P>Uphold the right, even at the cost of my life;
Meter even handed justice, tempered with mercy;
Assist and defend others;
and to strive to act with honour at all times. <P>
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(I've already got a heraldic device built, blazon as follows: Quarterly purpure and argent, a stallion passant to sinister sable.)
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Postby Ogredude on Tue Jan 23, 2001 10:08 am

I'll have to see if I still have a .gif of my device on my computer.<P>I designed it several years ago, when I was actively participating in the SCA, and it has been passed by a herald, even though it disobeys the rule of no color on a color.<P>I really don't see how you can do much of anything if you adhere to that rule... i.e. if you're using a quarterly background, you've got to use a color and a metal, so that two colors or two metals don't butt up against each other, well what's that leave you for a color on your charge(s)?<P>--Ogredude, CI
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Postby TimberBram on Tue Jan 23, 2001 10:40 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ogredude:
<B>But does anyone have a good color swatch for a Silver... all I get are shades of grey.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>It's more or less normal to use white for silver and yellow for gold (unless you're painting the arms iRL). RGB doesn't show the glint and sheen of metals very well anyway.<P>The Intro to Heraldry linked to above uses standard RBG values for each tincture. <P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ogredude:
<B>I designed it several years ago, when I was actively participating in the SCA, and it has been passed by a herald, even though it disobeys the rule of no color on a color.<P>I really don't see how you can do much of anything if you adhere to that rule... i.e. if you're using a quarterly background, you've got to use a color and a metal, so that two colors or two metals don't butt up against each other, well what's that leave you for a color on your charge(s)?<P>--Ogredude, CI
Quarterly purpure and argent, a stallion passant to sinister sable.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Actually, the field <I>can</I> be divided using two colours or metals--they are allowed to touch each other. <P>Furthermore, when the field is divided, you can place charges in each area that do not extend outside of it. An example is the the British Royal insignia which is "Quartered first and third gules, charged three lions rampant or; second or, charged lion rampant gules; fourth purpure, charged harp or."<P>And the "rules" for no colour on colour are broken all the time (especially in more modern arms), it just happens that following them generally gives you better contrast and definition.<P>And you actually talked to a real herald? That's pretty neat. (Or was s/he an SCA herald only?)<P>Peace,
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Postby Silver Adept on Tue Jan 23, 2001 12:28 pm

Welcome, new Companion of the Order! <P>May you be hnorable in all your deeds. <P>(And many thanks from Sir Timber for his heraldic help. I'll get on it immediately.)<P>Updated!
Incarnation Two of the Crest has arrived. <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/volinar/crest3.gif" TARGET=_blank>http://www.geocities.com/volinar/crest3.gif</A> <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/volinar/crest4.gif" TARGET=_blank>http://www.geocities.com/volinar/crest4.gif</A> <P>Try these on for size and see if they fit your liking better.<P>------------------
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Postby Silver Adept on Fri Jan 26, 2001 8:20 am

Just browsing through the EI page, and realized that "politics" in the part "open to all regardless of race, creed, etc..." is not properly placed in perfect pretense. <P>Or in other words, it's not spelled right.<P>And one other thing. <P>I have a potential CI for all of you. He should be posting underneath me. <P><P>------------------
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Postby BandMan2K on Fri Jan 26, 2001 8:29 am

I, BandMan2K (Howard), do solemnly swear and commit to:
Uphold the right, even at the cost of my life;
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Assist and defend others;
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Postby Greg on Sun Jan 28, 2001 1:37 am

Hi there!<P>Welcome, BandMan, to the Order of Jubal.<P>I don't currently have an e-mail address for you. If you don't want to post it on the boards (and don't want it on the EI website, that's fine, but if you could send it to me privately and I'll note it in my records.<P>Regards,
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Postby Silver Adept on Mon Jan 29, 2001 3:09 am

And here I am! <P>Welcome, BandMan, to our noble Order. <P>Sir Greg, did those EI updates that you were promision come through? <P>And has anyone else been working on their crests?
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Postby Ogredude on Mon Jan 29, 2001 10:02 am

Welcome BandMan!<P>--Ogredude
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Greg:
<B>Hi there!<P>Welcome, BandMan, to the Order of Jubal.<P>I don't currently have an e-mail address for you. If you don't want to post it on the boards (and don't want it on the EI website, that's fine, but if you could send it to me privately and I'll note it in my records.<P>Regards,
Sir Gregory of Melbourne, KI<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Sir Gregory,
Thank you for accepting me into the great Order of Jubal. My long time friend Silver Adept wanted me to become a CI earlier, however I couldn't until I went to college and got reliable Internet access. However this message is in response to your request for my E-Mail. Very well, My e-mail address is bandman2000@yahoo.com Hope to have some extra information here soon.<P> <P>------------------
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Postby TimberBram on Mon Jan 29, 2001 11:17 am

Since I see I have neglected to welcome the new Companions, I will do so now.<P>Welcome to Eric the Ogredude and Howard Bandman2k.<P>On to other business:
Sir Gregory, I have a thumbnail (4K) and larger arms (20K) gifs as well as a details page for myself. Do you want me to email them to you (as a zip-archive) or stuff them somewhere for you to download to the Eqvites Ivbalis site?<P>Speaking of EI site updates, are we going to get some official word on spelling? Someone has pointed out that Latin lacked the letter "U" until recently and furthermore was a unical language--ie. with no upper/lower case letters. So which is the official, correct version:
Eqvites Ivbalis (which many are already using, my vote for this one)
EQUITES IUBALIS (as used on the EI website)
Equites Iubalis (which I've seen)
EQVITES IVBALIS (taking all comments into account)<P>Peace,
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Postby BandMan2K on Tue Jan 30, 2001 2:01 am

I've found something out that I think everyone might find interesting. I found out that on March 13, the is Good Samaritan Involvement Day. It was created to get people to help out someone who needs it. It's based on a gruesome murder of a woman named Kitty Genovese in Queens, NY. While she was being stalked and killed by a man, 38 of her neighbors just sat by and did nothing stating that it was SEP (Someone Else's Problem for those of you that have never read The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy) Anyways, some people were appalled at the story and decided to create a day that would try to get people to help others as the Good Samaritan did, and since we are the Honorable Order of Jubal, standing for Chivalry and all that is good in humanity, I thought that we as a group could do something on this day. Just a thought.
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