Chivalry Ressurrected!

The noble Order of the Knights of Jubal traces its origins back to the Year Two Thousand A.D., when a group of distinguished persons of good and true character, founded the order to promote chivalry and honour. The order takes its name from our leader, Alexander Jubal McRae, who on two (so far) occasions has been seriously injured, in one case fatally, defending an innocent woman from attackers.

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Postby gwalla on Tue Nov 28, 2000 1:50 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Silver Adept:
<B>Eqviites Ivballis.<P>No J's, and I think, no u's in Latin either...</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>EQVITES IVBALIS<P>Technically, you shouldn't mix uppercase and lowercase in Latin either.<P>------------------
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Postby Greg on Tue Nov 28, 2000 10:00 am

Hi there!<P>The conclusions I've drawn are:<P>1. Basically, the world has become a very selfish place.<P>2. Most people recognise this, and think that there is a need for people to still respect a set of core values. Some call it Chivalry, Decency, Honor or Respect, but in the end these are all "facets of the same gem"<P>3. The Knights of Jubal represent an organisation (or disorganisation!) that is prepared to promote these values in society.<P>Regards,
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Postby Silver Adept on Tue Nov 28, 2000 12:34 pm

Okay, this thread will not die! <P>And now, I'm the head post on it... neato. <P>So could everyone who was involved in the Chivalry thread kindly repost all of the conclusions that we have drawn...<P>..and that site for the Eqviites Ivballis.<P>No J's, and I think, no u's in Latin either...<P>>-)<P>------------------
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Postby Silver Adept on Wed Nov 29, 2000 9:40 am

Good! We're in. <P>I take my oath here:
I, the Silver Adept (if I need to, I'll provide a real name to the right e-mail inbox) do solemnly swear and commit to:
Uphold the right, even at the cost of my life;
Meter even handed justice, tempered with mercy;
Assist and defend others;
and to strive to act with honour at all times. <P>So swears the Silver Adept. <P>Hmm... *g* can I get a little credit for helping to flesh out this organization? (Promotions would be nice..) <P>*g* (Take previous paragraph humorously...)
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Postby EteRock on Wed Nov 29, 2000 11:50 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Greg:
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2. Most people recognise this, and think that there is a need for people to still respect a set of core values. Some call it Chivalry, Decency, Honor or Respect, but in the end these are all "facets of the same gem"<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I believe in chivalry but I also believe that people need to earn the right to be treated with chivalry.<P>------------------
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Postby Greg on Thu Nov 30, 2000 3:30 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Silver Adept:
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Hmm... *g* can I get a little credit for helping to flesh out this organization?</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Hmmm... There's no doubt that helping to create the organisation is definitely a service worth of recognition.<P>If no one has any objections, we'll knight you immediately.<P>Congratulations, Sir Silver Adept, KI.<P>Regards,
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Postby Greg on Thu Nov 30, 2000 3:52 am

Hi there!<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EteRock:
<B> I believe in chivalry but I also believe that people need to earn the right to be treated with chivalry.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>That's an interesting point of view. Without meaning to offend you, I'd like to know more about it.<P>Whilst I agree that <B>deep</B> respect, surely every person in the world is deserving of respect, unless they have specifically acted dishonorably.<P>For example, if you came across somebody (male or female) laden with heavy shopping bags, struggling to open a door, would you open the door for them, help them with the load maybe? <P>If you haven't met someone, they haven't had the oppotunity to earn your respect, does that mean that you cannot act chivalrously toward them?<P>Regards,
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Postby Silver Adept on Fri Dec 01, 2000 4:52 am

That's true. Just because you haven't met them doesn't mean that you can't act chivalrously towards them. And in fact, a lot of the greatest kindnesses of the world were rendered by perfect strangers to people they've never met. <P>So I think chivalry is not a merit thing, but simply a way of lifestyle.
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Postby EteRock on Fri Dec 01, 2000 9:00 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Greg:
<B><P> That's an interesting point of view. Without meaning to offend you, I'd like to know more about it.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>When I was younger I use to treat everyone around me with kindness and whatnot What did I get in return for being nice? <B>Kicked in the balls and spat in the face that's what.</B> I was nice to everyone around me and they looked upon me like I was pond scum.<P>But I still went around being nice to people hoping that they see how nice of a person I was, that never happened. They still treated me like dirt and I didn't fight because I thought it would make things worse but not doing anything was what made it worse. Through the years I finally just gave up and stopped trying and caring. <P>There were a few people who were nice to me but not many. Some even pretended to be my friend so they could go back to their real friends and make fun of me and spread rumors about me. Slowly I became an angry, bitter, hate filled person the more I thought about how I was treated the angrier I got. I told myself that I wasn't going to put up with any bullshit if people weren't going to be nice to me I wasn't going to be nice to them. On the flip side if they were friendly with me that I would be friendly with them. If you threat me right I can be the nicest guy you know, however that doesn't mean I'm an all around nice person.<P>Maybe a greater man would have looked beyond all the negative experiences and bad memories to still treat everyone with chivalry but I'm not a great man.<P>
<B>For example, if you came across somebody (male or female) laden with heavy shopping bags, struggling to open a door, would you open the door for them, help them with the load maybe? <P>If you haven't met someone, they haven't had the opportunity to earn your respect, does that mean that you cannot act chivalrously toward them?
</B><P>I would help them because I don't live by any set standards or rules. If I feel like being nice to strangers I will, if I don't feel like it I won't. It all depends upon my mood. <P>I believe in chivalry I just don't live by it.<P><P>------------------
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Postby Silver Adept on Fri Dec 01, 2000 9:45 am

Mm-hmm. We understand. <P>There are still people who take any kindness that they are given and turn it into ammunition for one purpose or another. Usually, those people are just mean. And many a time, they must be ignored. <P>However, being the local nerd of one's school does not advance one's social status. And therefore, I've seen much of what you speak of, people who only are nice so that they can make fun of you behind your back. Or people who even drop the premise of being nice. <P>In this case, I should believe that one should treat them like a dishonored knight -- be polite towards them, but don't invite them to your tourneys, hmm? <P>I suppose my best advice to anyone, knight or no with that problem is to spread your goodness around and let your deeds stand for you as much as your words. <P>Off-topic, but interesting. <P>Jubal means "father", I thought I saw in the old thread. <P>Alexander means "defender of mankind." <P>So Alexander Jubal could translate as "father defender of mankind". Appropriate for our GCI, is it not? <P>(And how did I know... well, my first name is Alexander... Sir Silver Adept doesn't quite ring right... so I suppose I'll be Sir Alexander.) <P>------------------
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Postby Jamie on Fri Dec 01, 2000 12:57 pm

snip <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Silver Adept:
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Off-topic, but interesting. <P>Jubal means "father", I thought I saw in the old thread. <P>Alexander means "defender of mankind." <P>So Alexander Jubal could translate as "father defender of mankind". Appropriate for our GCI, is it not? <P>(And how did I know... well, my first name is Alexander... Sir Silver Adept doesn't quite ring right... so I suppose I'll be Sir Alexander.) <P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>The reason for Jubal
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Postby AlysonWonderland on Sat Dec 02, 2000 3:49 am

well. i think that you ought to give everyone at least one chance. .the whole 'innocent until proven guilty' type of thing. i'm not saying you should be a doormat, but if someone's gonna treat you awful, stop being around them. i have no problem getting rid of a best friend i've had for three years if they betray me. *shrugs* but this is just my opinion<P>~Aly<P>------------------
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AlysonWonderland:
<B>well. i think that you ought to give everyone at least one chance. .the whole 'innocent until proven guilty' type of thing. i'm not saying you should be a doormat, but if someone's gonna treat you awful, stop being around them. i have no problem getting rid of a best friend i've had for three years if they betray me. *shrugs* but this is just my opinion
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I don't go around treating people badly I just don't treat them at all. I'm normaly nice to people but I won't go out of my way for them. Truth be told most of the time I'd rather be left alone so I usually leave everone else around me alone.<P>------------------
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Silver Adept:
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In this case, I should believe that one should treat them like a dishonored knight -- be polite towards them, but don't invite them to your tourneys, hmm? </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>If someone's not polite to you I feel it's best just not to be around them, that's what I do.<P><B>I suppose my best advice to anyone, knight or no with that problem is to spread your goodness around and let your deeds stand for you as much as your words.
</B><P>My best advice is to not care too much about what others think. If you want to be nice do so, if not then don't.<P>------------------
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Postby Silver Adept on Mon Dec 04, 2000 4:51 am

That works. <P>Thanks, Jamie, for the information about Jubal's namesakes. <P>------------------
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Postby Silver Adept on Fri Dec 08, 2000 9:44 am

BOOT! Back to the top, thread! <P>Oh, yes, something on the website attracted our attention... <P>Individual Knights get their own coat of arms, correct? <P>So why not get cracking on them? I'd like to see some of our ingenuities!<P>------------------
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Postby Greg on Sun Dec 10, 2000 5:46 am

Hi there!<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Silver Adept:
<B>Individual Knights get their own coat of arms, correct?
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yes, that's quite correct. Any "enobled" member (of KI rank or above) may take their own coat of arms.<P>I prefer them in JPG or GIF format, for obvious reasons. Also, please remember that the site is currently hanging off a slow link so file size and resolution is an issue.<P>That's it for the physical rules. Perhaps E.I. would like to draw up some internal guidelines, or should it be free-for-all?<P>Regards,
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Postby Greg on Mon Jan 15, 2001 8:43 am

Hi there!<P>I'll be re-working the design of the E.I. website ver the next few weeks. If anyone has q coat of arms they want to send me, now's a good chance.<P>O.K... I admit it... The only reason I'm posting this now is to make sure the thread doesn't disappear off the board. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"><P>regards,
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Postby Greg on Tue Jan 16, 2001 2:06 am

Hi there!<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Silver Adept:
<B>I can't seem to find a cood picture of a club. Any help?
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Here's one: <A HREF="http://a124.g.akamaitech.net/7/124/33/96b5c5e81ea443/images.citysearch.com/profile/30/81/7174358p1.jpg" TARGET=_blank>http://a124.g.akamaitech.net/7/124/33/96b5c5e81ea443/images.citysearch.com/profile/30/81/7174358p1.jpg</A> <P> <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>Regards,
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Postby TimberBram on Tue Jan 16, 2001 10:02 am

Apropos your request for Coats of Arms, as a mere squire I don't rate one.<P>Can I make the argument that building and maintaining the COTC Mythos pages shows a "good and true character" (along with the fact that I try to be polite in email and messages)? <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"> <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"><P>One observation from the "Order of the the Knights of Jubal" page. You mention that the Companion of the Order of Jubal is the equivalent of squire or knight arrant. By understanding is that these two are in no way the same. A squire is a "knight in training" as it were. I suppose, given the do-it-yourself way we're handling this, that it doesn't really matter.<P>Also "arrant" means "downright, utter" (as in "arrant nonsense"). I believe you intended "errant" as in "travelling in search of adventure".<P>Just some random thoughts. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>Peace,
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Postby Silver Adept on Tue Jan 16, 2001 12:33 pm

I've been trying to work mine out, but I can't seem to find a cood picture of a club. Any help?
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Postby Greg on Wed Jan 17, 2001 5:35 am

Hi there!<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Silver Adept:
<B>The club that was provided was not quite what I had in mind.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>But possibly more appropriate? <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"><P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>Thanks for the corrections. I think "errant" is right. <P>And there is a difference. A squire is a "knight-in-training", but the "knight errant" is kind of like a lordless knight.. a hedge knight if you will. <P>So perhaps we should make a companion a "hedge knight" or sorts, with no coat of arms, but one they become KI, then they're landed, titled, and have a coat of arms. <P>What do you think, Sir Greg?
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I stand corrected on the spelling. My "arrant" was in "err" <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>The original intent when I wrote the web pages and designed the structure (which, by the way, was just a proposal and is certainly still open to debate and adjustment) was to have the CI as a squire, a knight-in-training. <P>As my personal opinion, I felt that we needed a classification to reflect the fact that people have sworn the oath, but still have a path of recognising great acts or services (i.e. The Knighthood itself). <P>As I said, this structure is certainly still open to debate. I originally based the classifications on the English Order of St Michael and St George, since that seemed a reasonably straight forward. The other modificiation I made was to replace the female designation of a Knight as "Lady" rather than "Dame", to give a more "romantic" feel to it. (I apologise to any women who may be offended by this - as I said, it's still up for debate or we could have each member nominate which they prefer.).<P>A brief synopisis can be found at <A HREF="http://www.angelfire.com/mi/resumeandarticles/page118.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.angelfire.com/mi/resumeandarticles/page118.html</A> <P>As for appointing Timber as a KI in service of creating the Mythos pages (and his general politeness, which has not gone unnoticed) I think it's a good idea. What say the other Knights. Aye or Nay?<P>Regards,
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Postby Jamie on Wed Jan 17, 2001 6:06 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Greg:
<B>As for appointing Timber as a KI in service of creating the Mythos pages (and his general politeness, which has not gone unnoticed) I think it's a good idea. What say the other Knights. Aye or Nay?<P>Regards,
Sir Gregory of Melbourne, KI<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>by all means AYE!<P>Jubal says "Do it dude!" which seems to be a definate aye.<P>Take care,<P>Jamie <P>
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Postby Silver Adept on Wed Jan 17, 2001 6:17 am

The club that was provided was not quite what I had in mind. <P>I meant blunt weapon, not hangout place. <P>Shall we try again? <P>Second: <P>Thanks for the corrections. I think "errant" is right. <P>And there is a difference. A squire is a "knight-in-training", but the "knight errant" is kind of like a lordless knight.. a hedge knight if you will. <P>So perhaps we should make a companion a "hedge knight" or sorts, with no coat of arms, but one they become KI, then they're landed, titled, and have a coat of arms. <P>What do you think, Sir Greg?<P>------------------
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Postby Greg on Thu Jan 18, 2001 3:51 am

Hi there!<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Silver Adept:
<B>So noted that our GCI wishes it, then it shall be done. <P>Sir Greg, your honors.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Let it be known henceforth that Timber Bram shall now be known as Sir Timber Bram, KI, as befits a Knight of Jubal.<P>Regards,
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