ALBUMS OF THE YEAR: 2001

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Postby Kloro on Mon Dec 10, 2001 3:13 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jawwa:
<B>Kid A was amazing from beginning to end! Amnesiac was really poor by comparison. And I really gave it a chance, many many more plays than I thought it deserved.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Actually, the weirtd thing about Amnesiac was that I didn't rate it, I thought it wasn't that good, and then I saw them do the songs live. And all of a sudden the album became excellent. Just like that. Very odd.<P>Still not as good as the current EP, though. Very nifty, even if they do play the old trick "include a previously unreleased song on the EP to make you buy it". But it's True Love Waits, so I can forgive them.<P>
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Postby gwalla on Mon Dec 10, 2001 3:42 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nick:
<B>But then I have both the Sporty Spice CD and the latest Tom Jones CD, so I'm not an indication of someone with good musical taste.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Hey, at least Tom Jones has a sense of humor about himself. Ever see Mars Attacks?<P>Current favorite albums: "O Brother, Where Art Thou?" soundtrack, and The Residents - The Commercial Album.<P>------------------
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Postby Nick on Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:52 am

Hmm.. I've only heard/heard of half the bands in the list, and of the ones I've heard I only like the band Weezer (but haven't heard their latest effort). <P>But then I have both the Sporty Spice CD and the latest Tom Jones CD, so I'm not an indication of someone with good musical taste.<P>
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Postby Wood on Mon Dec 10, 2001 9:11 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by superj4y:
<B> Nonsense. Like Windows 95 was ever 'popular'. Windows 95 was almost as indie as... Windows ME!<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Don't dis ME. It's the heart of my indie cred. <P>Errr, I'll get me coat. <P>
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Postby h-k on Mon Dec 10, 2001 9:18 am

The new Robbie Williams album, Swing When You're Winning, is arguably the best (almost) completely cover album I've bought in some time. Sure some of the songs were CRAP compared to the originals, but the sweet sweet <I> actual harmony </I> twixt Robbie and Nicole Kidman in 'Somethin Stupid' made this one a winner in my CD player.
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Postby simong on Tue Dec 11, 2001 2:04 am

Bright spots:<P>Low: 'Things We Lost in the Fire' - Low playing it straight with Albini. 'Dinosaur Act' is in my top ten singles, the first entry for about five years. Also check out the Low/Dirty Three Fishtank sessions, s'lovely.<P>Mark Eitzel: 'The Invisible Man' in which the greatest living singer-songwriter discovers technology but doesn't get the hang of compression, and makes an intimate LP of the songs we've loved live for the past few years.<P>Mogwai: 'Rock Action' Way too short. I'll be at the front of the queue when Mogwai make their two tracks on two CDs concept album with Richard D James. Or is that Reindeer Section?<P>Daft Punk: 'Discovery' More 70s tinged brilliant nonsense. 'Digital Love' is another great single and there are evil 4-bit sounds on this record that just make me grin with joy.<P>Basement Jaxx: 'Rooty' Another stupid pop LP, boy are they having fun. Strangely, 'Remedy' sounds crap now.
Otherwise it's been pretty disappointing this year to be honest.<P>'Druqs' goes on for way too long and the second CD disappears, especially on a hungover Sunday morning. The Avalanches LP is way too clever for its own good: you go 'wow' at the first track and then the next hour is 13 more of the same.
Maybe that's just me though.
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Postby Nick on Tue Dec 11, 2001 5:28 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by simong:
<B>Basement Jaxx: 'Rooty' Another stupid pop LP, boy are they having fun. Strangely, 'Remedy' sounds crap now.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I went to buy the album based on their latest single, but generally found the rest of the album to be quite crap, so I bought one of the versions of the single instead.
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Postby jupitercrash on Wed Dec 12, 2001 9:55 am

thanks for your help with the top ten, john! i'll be sure to check out the gemma hayes ep's, after a long nap and a week or two of listening to stuff that didn't come out this year.<P>my list (which will be published with comments on dec. 20 at <A HREF="http://www.freetimes.com):" TARGET=_blank>www.freetimes.com):</A>
mogwai, rock action
low, things we lost in the fire
nymb, so this is how it is
bjork, vespertine
explosions in the sky, those who tell the truth...
aereogramme, a story in white
bardo pond, dilate
death cab for cutie, the photo album
tortoise, standards
black rebel motorcycle club, BRMC<P>--heather
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Postby dennisjk on Wed Dec 12, 2001 10:41 am

holy hell, there's a new Pulp album?<P>jawwa: what do you think of Spiral Stairs' new band, Preston School of Industry? It was weird, Stephen Malkmus and PSOI played within two days of each other in the same location. Bob Nastanovich was selling T-shirts and hanging out with the Jicks. I didn't see PSOI, but I wonder if he has any former Pavement members tagging along?<P>The last CDs i bought were Bush's Sixteen Stone, the Labour of Love EP by Frente!, Suede's last album as Suede and not The London Suede, Folk Implosion's One Part Lullaby, and my third copy of Belly's King.<P>dennis
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Postby Ebijin on Wed Dec 12, 2001 10:47 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by superj4y:
<B>All ten of mine would be tracks from Matt Goods' Loser Anthems, except there are only 7 tracks. And I don't like tracks 2 and 5. Death Cab for Cutie's Photo Album was nice, but it's been tainted in my mind ever since indierockpete reviewed it and called it 'indie'.<P>Was there new Portishead this year? I can't get enough energy to hit up the stores, because I never sleep.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Man, jay, you're cranky big-style. To have an album be tainted by a positive review from a fictional asshole...<P>If it's any consolation, Death Cab for Cutie can't be that 'indie'. They played at the Deck The Hall Ball this year, alongside such luminaries as Staind and P.O.D., I think. So there's a good helping of the mainstream in the Precious Hearse.<P>~f
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Postby superj4y on Wed Dec 12, 2001 11:14 am

All ten of mine would be tracks from Matt Goods' Loser Anthems, except there are only 7 tracks. And I don't like tracks 2 and 5. Death Cab for Cutie's Photo Album was nice, but it's been tainted in my mind ever since indierockpete reviewed it and called it 'indie'.<P>Was there new Portishead this year? I can't get enough energy to hit up the stores, because I never sleep.
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Postby superj4y on Thu Dec 13, 2001 3:04 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ebijin:
<B> Man, jay, you're cranky big-style. To have an album be tainted by a positive review from a fictional asshole...</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>It's just the whole misuse of the term 'indie' that gets to me. It really doesn't have to do with whether or not they have a label, or whether or not they're popular, or anything of that sort. It all really stems from the fact that music can be both 'entertainment' and 'art'. Some music weighs far more heavily on 'entertainment'.<P>'Selling out' isn't synonymous with 'making money'. Some artists make a lot of money without selling out. Those are the artists whose vision is already in line with what's mainstream. Then there are other artists whose vision isn't mainstream; these are the only ones really capable of 'selling out'. Like Weezer, to pick a relevant example. They saw that Pinkerton didn't sell much at all, and the pop styled songs of Blue were the ones that were the big sellers. So when they recorded Green, they made themselves to go more mainstream in order to sell records. This isn't all bad; for a lot of people, it made them more entertaining. The problem in my eyes is that it bastardizes their art. Green sounds so forced and artificial when I listen to it.<P>And then you have the 'indie' crowd, whom indierockpete does an excellent job of satirizing, who call anything indie if it isn't mainstream. Death Cab for Cutie is both indie and mainstream; they didn't sell out, they achieved their popularity the natural way. Their art was never really tarnished, and so what if they were never the next U2 in terms of popularity? They've got their following. I'm in that following somewhere and I like being there.<P>It's just a sad, horrible thing when the allure of money (or the need of it... it is a prerequisite for getting food and shelter these days) forces artists to drop their own art and style, and emulate the mainstream in order to capture some listeners. I nearly coughed up my KD when I listened to Nickleback's newest album with them trying to be Creed. Creed can be Creed, Nickleback should be Nickleback. Weezer should be Weezer, not Sum 41. See what I'm getting at?<p>[This message has been edited by superj4y (edited 12-13-2001).]
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Postby sktjuvcmeog on Mon Dec 17, 2001 3:42 am

on an unrelated note, have you noticed that this is topic #666? woooooooooooooooo....i can see the scary red-eyed trees already...
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Postby Pusch on Mon Dec 17, 2001 9:39 am

why is it that I have heard of only two of the groups on the list? just cause i am american doesn't make me uncultured swine. more than likely tho, i am just underinformed, as is the usual excuse for me.
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Postby Pusch on Mon Dec 17, 2001 10:13 am

if there is a list of the best albums of the year...Staind, Tool and System of a Down should be on there. Don't like it? tough shit.
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Postby jawwa on Mon Dec 17, 2001 11:05 am

Let me just fill these in to my chart... Staind number 1! Thanks Pusch, I now get to spend Christmas listening to a bad Pearl Jam tribute band.<P>That's unfair. At times I was reminded of Soundgarden b-sides.
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Postby jawwa on Tue Dec 18, 2001 2:12 am

Anyone got the new No Doubt yet?<P>------------------
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Postby superj4y on Tue Dec 18, 2001 2:49 am

Speaking of artists who aren't staying true to their style...<P>Heh, just kidding. It'd be a bit presumptious to accuse Gwen S<I>^H^H^H^H^H^H</I> No Doubt of selling out right now. I'd heard before in some interviews that they were planning to go back to a more 'reggae-dancehall' style, but then I listened to <I>Rock Steady</I> and... well, that wasn't it. It's nice enough, I suppose, but not the kind of candy-poser-ska that I used to love No Doubt for. Ah well, I'll always have <I>Tragic Kingdom</I>... at least until I buy myself a new lighter, that is.
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Postby gwalla on Tue Dec 18, 2001 3:40 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pusch:
<B>if there is a list of the best albums of the year...Staind, Tool and System of a Down should be on there. Don't like it? tough shit.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Staind: aside from that acoustic song (where did <I>that</I> come from?) they sound exactly like every other rap-metal band currently assaulting the charts. Look ma, I know two chords!<P>Tool: did they come out with a new album? I thought they broke up or something, and their lead singer had formed some other group. The problem with Tool is that all of their songs tend to sound pretty much the same. Fortunately they're pretty decent, but they're entirely interchangeable, and a little goes a long way. One Tool song every once in a while is good, but a whole album is overkill.<P>System of a Down: Rage Against the Machine minus the politics and the lyrical skill.<P>------------------
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Postby dennisjk on Tue Dec 18, 2001 4:02 am

Have you guys had a look at the onion's most essential and least essential albums of 2001?<P>well...go!
<A HREF="http://www.theonion.com" TARGET=_blank>www.theonion.com</A> <P><small>wondering how many more people would go to the site if i actually linked it rather than urled it.</small>
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Postby superj4y on Tue Dec 18, 2001 12:42 pm

Ah, Staind. My first taste of Staind was delicious, original... somewhat spicy, you could call them. Fresh and cool in some parts, and still hot in others, all wrapped up in smooth style. My second taste of Staind wasn't as good, though. Maybe their older stuff was just better, I don't know. It felt like they'd kind-of cooled off, somewhat congealed, and all their cool, fresh, hot and smoothness had mixed into a general homogeneity.<P>Haha, no, really. Those were those tacos I just ate, not Staind. Staind wasn't even good the first time I heard them.<P>That, by the way, was on 'Yield'.
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Postby alisdair on Mon Jan 07, 2002 5:49 am

Have I stumbled into some weird alternate reality where Vancouver is the cultural centre of the universe? Mentions of both Matt Good and the New Pornographers on the bulletin board of a british online comic? <P>I'm not such a huge Matt Good fan (although Underdogs is undoubtably one of the finest albums ever), but Mass Romantic, the New Pornographer's album, is musical perfection, I promise.<P>~alisdair
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Postby superj4y on Mon Jan 07, 2002 10:33 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>Have I stumbled into some weird alternate reality where Vancouver is the cultural centre of the universe?</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Since Vancouver <B>is</B> the cultural centre of this universe, I'd have to say yes, you have.<P>And boy, am I happy to see this thread active again! Give me a couple of days get my Ranting Hat drycleaned, and I'll get down to business.<P>
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Postby superj4y on Tue Jan 08, 2002 4:18 am

Only if your rant includes something about Nickleback's recent infatuation with, and imitation of, all things 'Creed', which, arguably, is not a Vancouver sound but a Calgary sound. Also they are bad. Please make obscure references to Nardhuar, or however his name is spelt, and finish with a link to the upcoming 'Nelly Furtado comes back to Victoria, because she's from Victoria, and she's getting paid for a concert' concert.
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Postby alisdair on Tue Jan 08, 2002 12:40 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by superj4y:
Since Vancouver <B>is</B> the cultural centre of this universe, I'd have to say yes, you have.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Such enlightenment. Can I rant about Nickelback not only outlasting superior groups like Pluto, Age of Electric and MGB, but being so successful they're ruining Vancouver's once amazing 60s inspired pop scene? (Obviously I can, but will anyone listen?)<P>~alisdair<p>[This message has been edited by alisdair (edited 01-08-2002).]
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