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Postby parryzane on Thu Jan 18, 2001 11:19 am

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Postby Shadowydreamer on Sat Jan 20, 2001 2:55 am

If y'all want to get real good and nitpicky, you can start arguing over which *translation* of the bible is correct. (Looks about innocently)<P>Personally (and flame me if you like), I feel that religion is a personal choice and a representation of who you are and when you start insulting people's choices in religion (or lack there of) you're insulting their very being. When you try and force your beliefs or religion onto others, you're going beyond rudeness.<P>It shouldn't matter if someone is Christian, Mormon, Sikh, Buddhist, Athiest or Agnostic. They're actions and words define who they are. Forgiveness in the name of no Lord is still forgiveness. Hatred performed in the name of the Lord is still hatred. No matter who's name what is done in, the action speaks for itself.<P>And while I'm no Wiccan, I do believe in and try to follow the rule of "Do as you will, harm none" (paraphrazed, I can no longer remember the exact wording) Meaning, do what makes you happy, as long as you're not intentionally making other people unhappy. If you do wrong, try to fix it. Do your best.<P>But, if you want to stir up a few arguments, bring Nitzche into it with "God is Dead" and that entire essay. (Another Innocent Look)<P>(To get back, somewhat, on topic..)<P>Not all infertile (sterile, barren, whatever) people want children. Just like not all fertile people want children. Some people just don't like children. In an ideal world, everyone with the ability to care for and raise a child properly should be able to have one. (And my qualifier for the latter is "Can you teach a child to respect?")<P>And yes, the world IS overpopulated.
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Postby Maccabee on Sat Jan 20, 2001 3:41 am

It's impossible to do a completely accurate translation of any major document from a foreign language to English. Idioms, puns and connotations simply drop out from one version to another.<P>For instance, in the original Greek the passage "in the beginning there was the word and the word was with God" uses <I>logos</I> for "word" and <I>pros</I> for "with." <I>Logos</I> doesn't just mean "word" though. It also means "idea" and "essence, of which the physical manifestation is only a shadow." "Word" in English doesn't get those connotations across. <I>Pros</I> actually means "through," not "with." The Greek implies a more intimate connection than the English does. The Greek and English passages say substantially the same thing, but all those other levels of meaning implicit in the Greek get lost. You have to infer them independent of textual evidence in the King James version if you get them at all.<P>Just to make it clear that I'm not specifically trashing one sect here, the Latin Vulgate has the same problems with this passage: <I>Verbum</I> also loses <I>logos</I>'s connotations, and the Latin preposition in the passage (<I>apud</I>) translates as "among" or "at the house of," closer to the later English in connotation than the original Greek.<P>Those religions that insist that their practitioners learn liturgical languages really are on to something.
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Postby Guest on Sat Jan 20, 2001 9:48 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Czhorat:
<B> Vote for the Ghost of Schultz, prophet of the one-true God knowable to mortals only as The Great Pumpkin!<P>All three of them in one sentence! It's an ugly sentence, but a single sentence nontheless. You can all start stoning me now. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"> </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>......Shall we start with the Bongo Bong?<P>As for the "which version" thing, the Islamics choose to <I>never</I> translate the Koran, which is good thinking. Other wise, I'm indifferent to religeon but not
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Postby parryzane on Mon Jan 22, 2001 3:11 am

Haven't checked this in a while, and it looks like it still hasn't changed...<P>Guys: there's now a topic strictly for this in CCS - so please leave this just for plot discussion... <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/frown.gif"><P>------------------
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Postby Maboo on Tue Jan 23, 2001 4:27 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by parryzane:
<B>please leave this just for plot discussion... <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/frown.gif"><P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>One lesson I've learned whilst on Keen* forums is that a topic that stays on topic is practically the equivalent of a hen's tooth, or a ... no, that's rude.<P>Mab<P><P>------------------
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Postby Czhorat on Tue Jan 23, 2001 7:34 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maboo:
<B> One lesson I've learned whilst on Keen* forums is that a topic that stays on topic is practically the equivalent of a hen's tooth, or a ... no, that's rude.<P>Mab
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>What? There's a topic? What is it?<P>All kidding aside, I don't think that trying to force people to stay "on topic" is a necessary, possible, or even useful pursuit. The more we discuss various issues here, the more fun this forum will be. If it's fun and interesting, we'll discuss all kinds of issues - including CCS. <P>In the best of these forums, the comic acts as a starting point for all manner of interesting discussions. Trying to force it "on topic" will pretty quickly lose people's interest.
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Postby Guest on Tue Jan 23, 2001 8:30 am

And ironically, the "religion" topic has drifted over into guessing the plotline...
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Postby Vallie on Tue Jan 23, 2001 12:47 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheBlackCupid:
<B>Hmmmf. Rather annoying really, that Belinda has fallen prey to the idea pushed by society that a woman is useless if she doesn't bring a child into this world. Pffft. Yeah, there's only about 6 billion people in the world. Please, infest the world with another drain on our resources! Give up the chance of ever doing anything useful in your life for the purpose of creating another statistic! Fill your body with drugs and watch your twelve children become mutants! All for the passing thrill of having total domination over another life!Blech.<P>But I'm sure it will be a good story though.<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>
Ok, I've read through this entire line.. Ok skimmed, because I have to be going in 15 minutes so I can work and contribute to society. I'm going to make my opinion as short and painless as I can.<P>I'm not speaking of religion, I'm speaking of natural science. I'm going to speak of science because many facets of religion cannot be proved without the shadow of a doubt. What you believe about God is your own right, but science is real.<P>I don't believe that "society" is really to blame for a woman wanting to bear children. Yes, it's encouraged, but I think that want goes deeper. We all have biological urges. It's instinct. Yes, we are humans, and we have rational minds and we're at the top of the evolutionary scale blah blah blah... But we sometimes forget, we're animals. Deep down inside of us behind our rational mind is a primal instinct. <P>This instinct is why we mate. We mate to produce offspring. We produce offspring to further the existence of the human race. All the other animals do it too.<P>It's not society's fault.<P>Vallie
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Postby gwalla on Wed Jan 24, 2001 6:45 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maccabee:
<B>For instance, in the original Greek the passage "in the beginning there was the word and the word was with God" uses <I>logos</I> for "word" and <I>pros</I> for "with." <I>Logos</I> doesn't just mean "word" though. It also means "idea" and "essence, of which the physical manifestation is only a shadow." "Word" in English doesn't get those connotations across. <I>Pros</I> actually means "through," not "with." The Greek implies a more intimate connection than the English does. The Greek and English passages say substantially the same thing, but all those other levels of meaning implicit in the Greek get lost. You have to infer them independent of textual evidence in the King James version if you get them at all.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>And of course, "logos" is actually a gloss on the Gnostic concept of Sophia.<P>Frankly, I find it silly to claim that the Bible is infallible, when it doesn't even agree with itself. Compare the Gospels, for instance. They vary even with respect to the Nativity.<P>Extensive analysis has been done of Biblical texts, which reveals a lot of interesting tidbits. For example, the Pentateuch has at least 3 different authors (one was the first, and other pieces were added later by other authors). Also, the Gospels originated in the 2nd century A.D., well after any of the supposed authors should have died. The Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke) drew upon a common source, called the Q author. It helps to realize that the New Testament canon wasn't actually standardized until 367 A.D.--before that, several other documents were considered canonical or holy depending on who you asked.<P>In case you couldn't tell, I find this stuff fascinating. I'd suggest reading "The Gnostic Gospels" by Elaine Pagels. There's also "The Other Bible", which is a collection of alternative Jewish and Christian documents that "didn't make the cut", so to speak.<P>------------------
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